Today’s football 17/3

[ElectroClaret]

Scorer sent off.

[Buxtonclaret]

FA Cup has a history of saving their manager's job.

[jos]

Fancy taking your shirt off when you’re already on a yellow!

[yTib]

It’s for inclusivity purposes which I would say is a fairly meaningful reason, although no doubt others will disagree. I can’t really understand why something like this would upset or annoy anyone. If the concept of an award for the best player in a match was to be invented today it wouldn’t be called ‘man of the match’ would it?!

not upset, just think it's silly.

here's an idea:

men's footy - man of the match
women's footy - woman of the match
boy's footy - man of the match (got to big those lads up)
girl's footy - girl of the match
transgender footy - you choose

[Conroysleftfoot]

Poor old Klopp won't get four.

[Rileybobs]

not upset, just think it's silly.

here's an idea:

men's footy - man of the match
women's footy - woman of the match
boy's footy - man of the match (got to big those lads up)
girl's footy - girl of the match
transgender footy - you choose

Yeah, or just player of the match.

[kentonclaret]

A few fans in the crowd needing some ManSize tissues

2 players on loan at Sunderland last season score for Coventry and Manchester United in FA Cup Semi Finals.

[ElectroClaret]

Great entertainment.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Fancy taking your shirt off when you’re already on a yellow!

Don't think he's thinking about his first yellow when you score a winner in a 4-3 game

[Brugge Claret]

Can’t get away from it ,don’t particularly like either of them but Man U deserved it for the effort they put in when they were out on their feet.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Yeah, or just player of the match.

Why does it need to change from what it's always been ?????

[Rileybobs]

Why does it need to change from what it's always been ?????

It doesn’t need to, it just makes sense to.

[Buxtonclaret]

Why does it need to change from what it's always been ?????

I'm waiting to see what they do with manhole covers.....

[yTib]

It doesn’t need to, it just makes sense to.

it makes absolutely no sense.

if something isn't broken, why fix it?

it just annoys folk.

if you think it has improved anything please tell us why.

[South West Claret.]

I didn’t think the Liverpool goalkeeper was up to much today.

[South West Claret.]

Burnley have to play Utd so a weakened team could be put out, one never knows.

[Rileybobs]

it makes absolutely no sense.

if something isn't broken, why fix it?

it just annoys folk.

if you think it has improved anything please tell us why.

It has enabled the same terminology to be used across all age and gender groups, like I’ve explained. So an 8 year old girl who is awarded player of the match for her local youth team, in her mind, can treat that with the same gravitas as Messi winning player of the match in the World Cup final. I’d say that is more important than the feelings of strange people who get annoyed or upset by something as harmless as this.

[yTib]

It has enabled the same terminology to be used across all age and gender groups, like I’ve explained. So an 8 year old girl who is awarded player of the match for her local youth team, in her mind, can treat that with the same gravitas as Messi winning player of the match in the World Cup final. I’d say that is more important than the feelings of strange people who get annoyed or upset by something as harmless as this.

you can't say how things have improved because you're talking nonsense.

here's a thought: sometimes in the quest for inclusivity and equality decisions are taken that are counter productive and completely arbitrary.

man of the match for me and linesmen as well.

[Rileybobs]

you can't say how things have improved because you're talking nonsense.

here's a thought: sometimes in the quest for inclusivity and equality decisions are taken that are counter productive and completely arbitrary.

man of the match for me and linesmen as well.

So we should never change anything in case some people get annoyed? Struggling to see what is counter productive about changing the term ‘man of the match’ to ‘player of the match’. It’s v odd to me that this annoys or upsets anyone.

Edit - as for linesman. We had a female assistant referee yesterday. Why should she be referred to as a man? To prevent you from being annoyed?

[yTib]

It’s v odd to me that this annoys or upsets anyone.

i don't believe you.

[claptrappers_union]

So we should never change anything in case some people get annoyed? Struggling to see what is counter productive about changing the term ‘man of the match’ to ‘player of the match’. It’s v odd to me that this annoys or upsets anyone.

Edit - as for linesman. We had a female assistant referee yesterday. Why should she be referred to as a man? To prevent you from being annoyed?

Referees assistant

[Mark the Claret]

I didn’t think the Liverpool goalkeeper was up to much today.

Man of the match

[kentonclaret]

It has enabled the same terminology to be used across all age and gender groups, like I’ve explained. So an 8 year old girl who is awarded player of the match for her local youth team, in her mind, can treat that with the same gravitas as Messi winning player of the match in the World Cup final. I’d say that is more important than the feelings of strange people who get annoyed or upset by something as harmless as this.

Surely, a young girl should be inspired by top players in the women’s game? With all of the money being poured into women’s football and the extensive free to air TV coverage that should provide sufficient inspiration.

[Rileybobs]

Referees assistant

Assistant to the referee.

[Boss Hogg]

Man of the Match is fine. There’s only men on the pitch. Nobody would be upset it’s just virtue signalling again.

[Rileybobs]

Surely, a young girl should be inspired by top players in the women’s game? With all of the money being poured into women’s football and the extensive free to air TV coverage that should provide sufficient inspiration.

Surely a young girl should be inspired by whoever or whatever she wants.

[Brugge Claret]

So we should never change anything in case some people get annoyed? Struggling to see what is counter productive about changing the term ‘man of the match’ to ‘player of the match’. It’s v odd to me that this annoys or upsets anyone.

Edit - as for linesman. We had a female assistant referee yesterday. Why should she be referred to as a man? To prevent you from being annoyed?

No probs either way ,but it was so obvious that Lee Dixon was told as soon as he said MoM that he’d got it wrong and that the media has become obsessed with saying the right thing and are afraid of being criticised ,they seem to think that they’d rather annoy a few thousand people than have one person ringing in and complaining that they’re not Pc.

[Rileybobs]

Man of the Match is fine. There’s only men on the pitch. Nobody would be upset it’s just virtue signalling again.

As I’ve explained, changing the terminology is not to prevent people being upset.

[yTib]

Man of the Match is fine. There’s only men on the pitch. Nobody would be upset it’s just virtue signalling again.

careful boss hogg. rileybobs will think you're 'strange'.

[Boss Hogg]

Really enjoyed seeing Klopp’s expression at the end.

[yTib]

As I’ve explained, changing the terminology is not to prevent people being upset.

if you think it's difficult for people to distinguish between men's and women's football and adjust their terminology accordingly you must be awful.

[kentonclaret]

Surely a young girl should be inspired by whoever or whatever she wants.

And, in your mind, changing the terminology is important to achieve that.

[yTib]

is it me or does graeme souness look poorly?

[Rileybobs]

if you think it's difficult for people to distinguish between men's and women's football and adjust their terminology accordingly you must be awful.

Yes, I’m awful darling.

I don’t think it’s difficult for people to distinguish between men’s and women’s football and adjust their terminology, where have I claimed that? I’m saying that a male or female player or official should not have a title which is defined by their gender. Why is their gender relevant? Why should Sian Massey-Ellis be the only lineswoman in the Premier League?

[yTib]

Yes, I’m awful darling.

I don’t think it’s difficult for people to distinguish between men’s and women’s football and adjust their terminology, where have I claimed that? I’m saying that a male or female player or official should not have a title which is defined by their gender. Why is their gender relevant? Why should Sian Massey-Ellis be the only lineswoman in the Premier League?

don't you mean linesperson?

[Rileybobs]

And, in your mind, changing the terminology is important to achieve that.

Not at all. I don’t think changing the terminology is particularly important, it just makes sense on just about every level, and I can’t see a single reason to not do it.

[Paul Waine]

Wasn't it "Player of the match" up until 1921 when the FA tried to stop women and girls playing football?

Now we can all enjoy playing football again, let's start using the correct terminology again.

[yTib]

Not at all. I don’t think changing the terminology is particularly important, it just makes sense on just about every level, and I can’t see a single reason to not do it.

if it's not important why do it?

and this thread is littered with reasons not to.

your logic is so silly i honestly think you are just being contrarian.

[boatshed bill]

I'm waiting to see what they do with manhole covers.....

Access covers?

[Rileybobs]

if it's not important why do it?

and this thread is littered with reasons not to.

your logic is so silly i honestly think you are just being contrarian.

Because it’s the right thing to do.

I’m absolutely not being contrarian, I just don’t agree with you.

[Rileybobs]

if it's not important why do it?

and this thread is littered with reasons not to.

your logic is so silly i honestly think you are just being contrarian.

And what are the reasons not to change the terminology which are littering this thread?

[yTib]

Because it’s the right thing to do.

tony blair said that about iraq

[yTib]

And what are the reasons not to change the terminology which are littering this thread?

all of my posts.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Yes, I’m awful darling.

I don’t think it’s difficult for people to distinguish between men’s and women’s football and adjust their terminology, where have I claimed that? I’m saying that a male or female player or official should not have a title which is defined by their gender. Why is their gender relevant? Why should Sian Massey-Ellis be the only lineswoman in the Premier League?

Shall we drop the Mr, Mrs, Miss and Master titles from everyday life also

[Rileybobs]

all of my posts.

So basically, don’t change it because some over sensitive people will get annoyed but not actually know or be able to articulate what they’re annoyed about?

[Rileybobs]

Shall we drop the Mr, Mrs, Miss and Master titles from everyday life also

I don’t think that would be necessary - although those titles serve little purpose to my knowledge and I certainly wouldn’t be annoyed or upset if I was addressed by my name without it being prefixed with Mr.

[yTib]

So basically, don’t change it because some over sensitive people will get annoyed but not actually know or be able to articulate what they’re annoyed about?

now you get it.

[yTib]

nice to see tyson fury in fancy dress btw.

[chekhov]

And what are the reasons not to change the terminology which are littering this thread?

I admire your persistence Rilybobs. Your arguments are solid but you might as well be whistling into the wind with the folk here.

[TomSmith xe/xem/xyr]

I don’t think that would be necessary - although those titles serve little purpose to my knowledge and I certainly wouldn’t be annoyed or upset if I was addressed by my name without it being prefixed with Mr.

It is important to some people though and they do have a purpose.