Everton

[ClaretsPadiham]

89.1m loss

Reports on Twitter of another deduction, could be a massive one up to 10 points and as early as next week.

Our game against them would be massive if it already isn’t.

[ClaretsPadiham]

Has to be 10 points minimum. Bad time for Evertonians.

[Goody1975]

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[Steve1956]

Do any football clubs in the Premier league make any money,I think if they where all to get punished like they should and lose points we could end up mid table come May....or even another European tour to ...Aberdeen...oh hang on not Aberdeen... Warnock's relegated them...it really is a f**king shambles the Premier league.

[Goody1975]

Do any football clubs in the Premier league make any money,I think if they where all to get punished like they should and lose points we could end up mid table come May....or even another European tour to ...Aberdeen...oh hang on not Aberdeen... Warnock's relegated them...it really is a f**king shambles the Premier league.

Give them a £1 Billion each and they'd still make a loss.

[taio]

Do any football clubs in the Premier league make any money,I think if they where all to get punished like they should and lose points we could end up mid table come May....or even another European tour to ...Aberdeen...oh hang on not Aberdeen... Warnock's relegated them...it really is a f**king shambles the Premier league.

Warnock isn't at Aberdeen

[Steve1956]

Warnock isn't at Aberdeen

Well spotted
No they F**ked him off he's useless.

[ISpeds00]

Well spotted
No they F**ked him off he's useless.

didnt he retire again?

[Steve1956]

didnt he retire again?

Mutual agreement






The sack



Useless even in Scottish football

[taio]

Well spotted
No they F**ked him off he's useless.

Think he made the decision to leave

[Steve1956]

Think he made the decision to leave

I think not.

[CoolClaret]

We can beat Everton.

The spine of our team has been sorted. I back O'Shea and Esteve to deal with Beto and DCL.

[taio]

I think not.

I was listening to it on the radio when it was announced - he stepped aside

[agreenwood]

Despite all their difficulties, they reduced their wages by just 2% and spent almost £100m on players.

Feel for the fans, but the club deserves everything it gets.

[Goody1975]

Despite all their difficulties, they reduced their wages by just 2% and spent almost £100m on players.

Feel for the fans, but the club deserves everything it gets.

Yes but COVID, COVID, COVID did it, honest.

[taio]

Fingers crossed they get another points deduction and they end up being relegated

[Spijed]

Fingers crossed they get another points deduction and they end up being relegated

But only if we stop up.

If we go down alongside them their side is simply far too good for the Championship. They will have got relegated purely because of the points deduction and it just means there is only one automatic promotion place available.

[Vegas Claret]

i 'think' this current report doesn't affect this season (judging that by reading the comments on the Maguire thread)

[Woodleyclaret]

Everton already scammed back 4 points and I feel they will get off with any further punishment
We need to ignore the fake news and go for 6 points this week v Wolves and Everton
With Fofana and Foster up front this is possible and Jay on for last 2O mins
If Everton go down they will need a firesale to help offset huge losses so they are not guaranteed to bounce back up as key personnel are sold

[taio]

But only if we stop up.

If we go down alongside them their side is simply far too good for the Championship. They will have got relegated purely because of the points deduction and it just means there is only one automatic promotion place available.

I don't care. I want them to go down. They would be forced into a fire sale.

[Chester Perry]

i 'think' this current report doesn't affect this season (judging that by reading the comments on the Maguire thread)

posted on the MMT earlier

Everton release their 2022/23 accounts - the ones that they received their second PSR charge for (the hearing was heard last week and we may have the judgement in the next few days

https://resources.evertonfc.com/everton ... s-2023.pdf

I haven't looked at them yet, but this article from The Liverpool Echo has a dramatic title

Everton losses double in latest accounts as 'going concern' threat confirmed
Everton released their accounts on Easter Sunday, with an underlying loss of just over £89m confirmed after the club lost key sponsorship deals with Russia-linked companies
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... s-28916407
https://archive.ph/o5hNZ

[Swizzlestick]

But only if we stop up.

If we go down alongside them their side is simply far too good for the Championship. They will have got relegated purely because of the points deduction and it just means there is only one automatic promotion place available.

They are also winless in 12 games, Heard it all before. Leicester were going to be too good for Championship and would 'walk it' - they're now third. I'd also argue Leicester are in a more stable place than Everton, particularly off the field.

[Somethingfishy]

Their losses have doubled. So if this current upcoming charge is to do with this can we then expect a bigger points deduction? Or is that too simplistic a view?

[Chester Perry]

They are also winless in 12 games, Heard it all before. Leicester were going to be too good for Championship and would 'walk it' - they're now third. I'd also argue Leicester are in a more stable place than Everton, particularly off the field.

Leicester are in a financial mess too, re PSR and are busy using the courts to prevent a hearing that could lead to a points decuction this season - you get the impression that a second consecutive championship season is something that really scares them financially

[Chester Perry]

Their losses have doubled. So if this current upcoming charge is to do with this can we then expect a bigger points deduction? Or is that too simplistic a view?

there is nothing about how many of those losses do not count under PSR - there are stadium loan costs (interest) for instance that are not counted as well as all the other usual things that all clubs discount from PSR assessment

[ElectroClaret]

That article from the Liverpool Echo is frightening if you're an Everton fan.
" There remains a material uncertainty about Everton's ability to operate as a going concern should the club be relegated".

Are there still doubts about 777 Partners takeover of Moshiri's stake in the club, or is that going through?

[dougcollins]

That article from the Liverpool Echo is frightening if you're an Everton fan.
" There remains a material uncertainty about Everton's ability to operate as a going concern should the club be relegated".

Are there still doubts about 777 Partners takeover of Moshiri's stake in the club, or is that going through?

So in a new twist, the best ground without a club?

[claptrappers_union]

Has to be 10 points minimum. Bad time for Evertonians.

I likely to be 4 points, I believe

[Chester Perry]

That article from the Liverpool Echo is frightening if you're an Everton fan.
" There remains a material uncertainty about Everton's ability to operate as a going concern should the club be relegated".

Are there still doubts about 777 Partners takeover of Moshiri's stake in the club, or is that going through?

all on the MMT last co[;e of entries would bring you up to date

[ElectroClaret]

Cheers

[NewClaret]

CP - are Maguire’s player signings and sales figures the total value of players bought/sold during that period, or is it outgoings/income from player trading in that period (i.e. instalments from previous windows would be included)?

I ask because transfermarkt has purchases for the period as being €78m (way lower than £91m) and sales at €104m (way more than the £61m reported here. Maybe that’s to do with accounting periods not aligning to seasons though?

In any event, doesn’t look helpful for them building an argument that they were trying to get their finances in order.

[NewClaret]

I likely to be 4 points, I believe

I think the points deductions might end up being the least of their worries.

About £500m in debt, a takeover with a questionable ownership group stalling, us and Leicester (potentially) queuing up to sue them, a stadium to finish off & even if they do they then have to pay for it for decades.

One way or other, this year or next, they’re in big trouble.

[Spijed]

They are also winless in 12 games, Heard it all before. Leicester were going to be too good for Championship and would 'walk it' - they're now third. I'd also argue Leicester are in a more stable place than Everton, particularly off the field.

Difference is Leicester went down because they weren't good enough to stop up as they didn't get enough points. On the other hand it is pretty much impossible for ourselves, Luton or Sheffield United to catch Everton were it not for the points deduction. Hence why they'd be in a bit of a false position were they to be relegated.

[taio]

Difference is Leicester went down because they weren't good enough to stop up as they didn't get enough points. On the other hand it is pretty much impossible for ourselves, Luton or Sheffield United to catch Everton were it not for the points deduction. Hence why they'd be in a bit of a false position were they to be relegated.

If they go down their best players will be sold.

[agreenwood]

CP - are Maguire’s player signings and sales figures the total value of players bought/sold during that period, or is it outgoings/income from player trading in that period (i.e. instalments from previous windows would be included)?

I ask because transfermarkt has purchases for the period as being €78m (way lower than £91m) and sales at €104m (way more than the £61m reported here. Maybe that’s to do with accounting periods not aligning to seasons though?

In any event, doesn’t look helpful for them building an argument that they were trying to get their finances in order.

I’d imagine Everton’s accounts might be more reliable than Transfermarkt.

[NewClaret]

I’d imagine Everton’s accounts might be more reliable than Transfermarkt.

My question is more what might explain such a big variance.

And whether it includes historical purchases as I presume it reflects very badly on them to commit that level of spending when they knew already that they were in breach of PSR.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Genuinely believe two things.

1. We win on Saturday, we stay up.
2. We would deserve to.

(don’t think we will win, but we have a good chance)

[Steve1956]

I was listening to it on the radio when it was announced - he stepped aside

Did you also hear the regional news in Scotland?
Warnock was sacked.

[taio]

Did you also hear the regional news in Scotland?
Warnock was sacked.

Not sacked from what I heard and read. But, no, I didn't listen to the regional news in Scotland.

However, Aberdeen FC's own website says this:

"Interim manager Neil Warnock has stepped aside following today’s Scottish Cup Quarter Final victory at Pittodrie."

It seems you didn't listen to the regional news at the time either, given you thought he was still the manager there.

[Steve1956]

Not sacked from what I heard and read. But, no, I didn't listen to the regional news in Scotland.

However, Aberdeen FC's own website says this:

"Interim manager Neil Warnock has stepped aside following today’s Scottish Cup Quarter Final victory at Pittodrie."

It seems you didn't listen to the regional news at the time either, given you thought he was still the manager there.

I was suggesting we wouldn't play Aberdeen because Warnocks spell had already relegated Aberdeen,don't twist things to suit your pursuit of defending the old bellend he was sacked because he was useless and that's some feat in that league

[taio]

I was suggesting we wouldn't play Aberdeen because Warnocks spell had already relegated Aberdeen,don't twist things to suit your pursuit of defending the old bellend he was sacked because he was useless and that's some feat in that league

Not defending him. Just trying to state the facts insofar as I know them. Where is your evidence he was sacked, rather than stepped aside, and that he relegated them?

[Steve1956]

Not defending him. Just trying to state the facts insofar as I know them. Where is your evidence he was sacked, rather than stepped aside, and that he relegated them?

I live in Scotland the news told me
I believe everything I'm told by the media

[taio]

I live in Scotland the news told me
I believe everything I'm told by the media

Then you'll be able to post multiple credible links...or not

[morninbob]

CP - are Maguire’s player signings and sales figures the total value of players bought/sold during that period, or is it outgoings/income from player trading in that period (i.e. instalments from previous windows would be included)?

I ask because transfermarkt has purchases for the period as being €78m (way lower than £91m) and sales at €104m (way more than the £61m reported here. Maybe that’s to do with accounting periods not aligning to seasons though?

In any event, doesn’t look helpful for them building an argument that they were trying to get their finances in order.

Transfer spend is different from transfer profit.

[Colburn_Claret]

Give them a £1 Billion each and they'd still make a loss.

On a similar vane I've considered many times.
Give every team in the Prem 1 billion pounds.

a) Every player who cost 50 mill las=t year is suddenly worth 200 mill. You don't get better players, just more expensive of the same.

b) Players who were on 100,000/wk will want 250,000 a week. The over paid ones already can write their own check.

c) Despite all the wealth, only 1 team can win the league.

d) Despite all the wealth 3 teams are still getting relegated. Some owners of clubs just don't get it.

[Colburn_Claret]

But only if we stop up.

If we go down alongside them their side is simply far too good for the Championship. They will have got relegated purely because of the points deduction and it just means there is only one automatic promotion place available.

They'd struggle to keep any sort of side together with that squad. It would need a complete rebuild, of Kompanyesque stature.
Most of them are getting on, and would want to stay in the Prem.

[Quicknick]

They'd struggle to keep any sort of side together with that squad. It would need a complete rebuild, of Kompanyesque stature.
Most of them are getting on, and would want to stay in the Prem.

Which EPL team would want them?

[ElectroClaret]

But only if we stop up.

If we go down alongside them their side is simply far too good for the Championship. They will have got relegated purely because of the points deduction and it just means there is only one automatic promotion place available.

As someone pointed out, if they're relegated, surely they won't have that side, though.
Reading about their financial troubles, they'll be lucky to have a side. Fire sale might be putting it mildly.

[ecc]

Sorry about asking a clueless question but when it says 22/23 accounts this does mean it covers wages for last season, doesn't it?

So, for example that will include the signing-on fees and wages for Tarky and Dwight.

They would probably have been paying some of Dele Alli's wages when out on loan in Turkey.

I presume Pickford will be on pretty decent money.

[NewClaret]

Sorry about asking a clueless question but when it says 22/23 accounts this does mean it covers wages for last season, doesn't it?

So, for example that will include the signing-on fees and wages for Tarky and Dwight.

They would probably have been paying some of Dele Alli's wages when out on loan in Turkey.

I presume Pickford will be on pretty decent money.

Yes.

They kept spending on new signings, signing on fees and wages even though they knew they were in breach.

You have to also remember that currently 777 are propping them up with alleged £20m loans a month. So you have to imagine that next season would also incur huge losses.

Only next season, they switch to a different metric for calculating PSR; revenue:wages ratio. I think that needs to be at 85% so they’ve got some serious squad trimming to do just to meet that. Then they’ll likely have to sell some big names to stem the losses. There will be a massive sale at Everton in summer.