Not Flagging Offsides

[claptrappers_union]

These stupid rules need scrapping.

I'm tired of watching players knowing it's blatantly offside but still having to play to the whistle and risking injury. And when your chasing the game and you win the ball back from the attacker only for the flag to then go up… it's killing the momentum of the game.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It very nearly led to Vitinho getting injured second half

[Stayingup]

It's like many things. STUPID.

[dougcollins]

They got a corner because of a blatant offside that inept lino didn't flag for at all, never mind late.

[quoonbeatz]

Daft as it is, this is one of the very very few things they've got right with var because evening it looks obvious, what if the liner gets it wrong? There's loads of examples of players being onside but given off - the Liverpool goal at spurs is the prime example.

Liners are redundant now in the PL, there is no need for them whatsoever. They don't give fouls, they aren't required for offsides and they never give ins and outs without checking with the ref first. Wastemen.

[Chester Perry]

What no one talks about is the time lost by the delay - we are told that the game is hot on the issue of time wasting but this can contribute as much time wasted as keepers splatting themselves on the ground with no one near them

the issue of injuries arising is probably a more serious one

[dsr]

It's a necessary addition to the change in the offside law for VAR matches. (Or, for the pernickety, the change in the application of the law.)

When you could be in front, behind, or level, the linesman had a decent chance of being right, so let him make the decision. Now that you can only be in front or behind, to the extent that a man with a computer and still photos and lines drawn across the screen can take more than 5 minutes to work it out, the linesman obviously can only guess - so they have to let play go on and then see if he has guessed right.

(Some of them are more reluctant than others to stop play, even for offsides that they should be able to judge.)

[Rileybobs]

It goes hand in hand with VAR. How can we have VAR if assistant referees flag for offside and play is brought to a stop?

[claptrappers_union]

My issue is that when we win the ball back from an attack, the linesman waves the delayed flag, and then the referee stops play, which kills the advantage after we win back possession. It kills the momentum, the opposition has regrouped, and I'm not sure if the time is added on for the free kick to be taken.

I hate it.

[Rileybobs]

My issue is that when we win the ball back from an attack, the linesman waves the delayed flag, and then the referee stops play, which kills the advantage after we win back possession. It kills the momentum, the opposition has regrouped, and I'm not sure if the time is added on for the free kick to be taken.

I hate it.

It's just another example of compromising on the quality and enjoyment of the match in order to accommodate VAR. Basically we should scrap VAR, and most people know that, but unfortunately it isn't happening.

[Bosscat]

It very nearly led to Vitinho getting injured second half

Have said it all along this will result in injury to someone ...

Its fair enough if its a tight call ... but at least 3 times yesterday it was obvious the player was off side, yet the numpty Lino kept his flag down, and only raised it after the ball went out of play. One of these was our lad flattened into the video board ...

[Goody1975]

What no one talks about is the time lost by the delay - we are told that the game is hot on the issue of time wasting but this can contribute as much time wasted as keepers splatting themselves on the ground with no one near them

the issue of injuries arising is probably a more serious one

No, what has been seen (as usual) is a fanfare about something, that is dulled down or abandoned as soon as it is implemented.

In this instance it's adding on time lost, remember after the World Cup how we regularly saw additional time of 10+ minutes? That was in the Championship without VAR!!!

They got bored with that and binned it, the only real time they add on now is for stoppages due to VAR, other than that we are back to the usual three and four minutes, that can be the case when both sides have changed half their team.

[Dark Cloud]

It was utterly ridiculous last night and tbf I don't think I blame the liner because he's only following orders from above. As mentioned there was one occasion when play was allowed to go on when the guy had clearly been caught offside and Vitihno ended up prostrate on the touchline after challenging him, only for the flag to then go up. This surely can't be right!! Also, Wolves played a ball over and their striker was clearly and obviously offside, but Esteve knew he was there and couldn't take any chances and cleared the ball for a corner. In those circumstances the flag doesn't go up and we have to defend a corner which seems wrong to me. I do agree with the general principle of "not interfering with play", but in both those scenarios the offside player definitely IS interfering with play. It needs sorting out.

[Elizabeth]

It was utterly ridiculous last night and tbf I don't think I blame the liner because he's only following orders from above. As mentioned there was one occasion when play was allowed to go on when the guy had clearly been caught offside and Vitihno ended up prostrate on the touchline after challenging him, only for the flag to then go up. This surely can't be right!! Also, Wolves played a ball over and their striker was clearly and obviously offside, but Esteve knew he was there and couldn't take any chances and cleared the ball for a corner. In those circumstances the flag doesn't go up and we have to defend a corner which seems wrong to me. I do agree with the general principle of "not interfering with play", but in both those scenarios the offside player definitely IS interfering with play. It needs sorting out.

This is another by product of VAR and causing a lot of unrest. Should we go back to the liner flagging straight away for offside and if a goal scoring opportunity is denied and the linesman is wrong we just shrug it off.
For me there is too much pressure being put on the liner and they are not consistent in their decisions of when to raise the flag.
Basically they are fearful of putting the flag up straight away and being proven wrong.

[wilks_bfc]

I can agree with the decision not to flag when it’s close and unsure, but when it’s blatantly obvious and they let play continue is where the issues are.

[Dark Cloud]

This is another by product of VAR and causing a lot of unrest. Should we go back to the liner flagging straight away for offside and if a goal scoring opportunity is denied and the linesman is wrong we just shrug it off.
For me there is too much pressure being put on the liner and they are not consistent in their decisions of when to raise the flag.
Basically they are fearful of putting the flag up straight away and being proven wrong.

This is true, Elizabeth and is definitely the heart of the problem and I kind of get the thinking behind it tbf and it's good intentions. Let a goal be scored and let VAR chalk it off rather a liner prevent it being scored with a hasty and erroneous flag. BUT, surely when a ball is played over towards a pretty clearly offside player and a Burnley player intercepts it and it goes for a corner, so no immediate goal is scored, the flag should go up and the offside be given because the defender only conceded the corner because he was conscious of the offside player. That's the sort of situation where it's being used wrongly imo (plus the example where Vitihno ended up in the advertising boards when it was absolutely obvious no goal was being scored).

[Elizabeth]

This is true, Elizabeth and is definitely the heart of the problem and I kind of get the thinking behind it tbf and it's good intentions. Let a goal be scored and let VAR chalk it off rather a liner prevent it being scored with a hasty and erroneous flag. BUT, surely when a ball is played over towards a pretty clearly offside player and a Burnley player intercepts it and it goes for a corner, so no immediate goal is scored, the flag should go up and the offside be given because the defender only conceded the corner because he was conscious of the offside player. That's the sort of situation where it's being used wrongly imo (plus the example where Vitihno ended up in the advertising boards when it was absolutely obvious no goal was being scored).

The principle of VAR received so much support from fans who thought it was going to make the game truer but it's achieved the total opposite when put into practice.
Its implementation has been nothing short of a failure

[claptrappers_union]

There was a game, I think, last season or so, when a defender scored in their own goal. He intercepted a pass to a player in an offside position, but the ball went past this keeper instead. The goal was given from memory, but the argument was that he wouldn't have attempted to control the ball if the player wasn't in that position.

I can't remember all the details. I might've even been at a Burnley game when we got relegated?

[Dark Cloud]

The principle of VAR received so much support from fans who thought it was going to make the game truer but it's achieved the total opposite when put into practice.
Its implementation has been nothing short of a failure

Exactly. I'm fairly certain there's not a genuine football fan (as in paying at the turnstiles) anywhere in the country of any team, that actually rates it. Every single fan I ever speak to despises it. In theory it looked like the answer to refereeing blunders and mistakes. It's been anything but. It's awful.

[TheFamilyCat]

Exactly. I'm fairly certain there's not a genuine football fan (as in paying at the turnstiles) anywhere in the country of any team, that actually rates it. Every single fan I ever speak to despises it. In theory it looked like the answer to refereeing blunders and mistakes. It's been anything but. It's awful.

There's definitely a place for VAR because nobody wants to see games decided by shite decisions. The problem with VAR in its current state is that games are being decided by even shiter decisions.

[Goliath]

The injury thing is sort of nonsense really. Of course there's a slightly bigger chance of injury, but they are playing 90 minutes of football of which there is similar risk. I'm not sure it's a valid complaint really.
It offers the chance of an advantage being given and means its less likely for a goal to be wrongly chalked off for offside.

It's frustrating to watch but I think the argument for it just about stacks up more than the argument against it