How many goals do we concede just before half time

[thelifeofbrian]

Ive lost count of the amount of times this season where we've played reasonably well and conceded around half time/stoppage time


Its so frustrating.......
Arsenal, Chelsea, wolves and Now Everton and im sure there's more...........

[basil6345789]

Oops! They should be quite clear there's a time and a place - under challenge = launch it!

[claretburns]

Ive lost count of the amount of times this season where we've played reasonably well and conceded around half time/stoppage time


Its so frustrating.......
Arsenal, Chelsea, wolves and Now Everton and im sure there's more...........

Goals conceded after 40th min:

Tottenham Home - 45th + 2
Man Utd Home - 45th
Chelsea Home - 42nd
Arsenal Away - 45th + 1
Wolves Away - 42nd
Aston Villa Away - 42nd
Arsenal Home - 41st
Chelsea Away - 44th
Wolves Home - 45th + 3
Everton Away - 45th + 2

[basil6345789]

It's a bugger's muddle

[Stevie Morgan]

Goals conceded after 40th min:

Tottenham Home - 45th + 2
Man Utd Home - 45th
Chelsea Home - 42nd
Arsenal Away - 45th + 1
Wolves Away - 42nd
Aston Villa Away - 42nd
Arsenal Home - 41st
Chelsea Away - 44th
Wolves Home - 45th + 3
Everton Away - 45th + 2

That is abysmal. A third of our games.

[criminalclaret]

Goals conceded after 40th min:

Tottenham Home - 45th + 2
Man Utd Home - 45th
Chelsea Home - 42nd
Arsenal Away - 45th + 1
Wolves Away - 42nd
Aston Villa Away - 42nd
Arsenal Home - 41st
Chelsea Away - 44th
Wolves Home - 45th + 3
Everton Away - 45th + 2

For second half also 85/90+

Luton, West Ham (twice) Brentford, Villa, Palace (twice), Bournemouth, Liverpool

[Rileybobs]

I sometimes wonder whether our players know how to interpret the digital match clock on the big screen. There’s a real lack of ability to adapt their game to the situation. See also the complete lack of urgency when trailing a game with a few minutes to go.

[ksrclaret]

The manager has set a culture of sloppiness and excuses all season and the manner in which we concede goals before the interval is a huge issue.

See also the number of red cards we receive. Culture, discipline and mentality problem.

[mybloodisclaret]

The manager has set a culture of sloppiness and excuses all season and the manner in which we concede goals before the interval is a huge issue.

See also the number of red cards we receive. Culture, discipline and mentality problem.

Yeah Vinny is sloppy and has sloppy standards which is why he is at Gawthorpe 12-14 hours a day.

Don't post when you're angry.

Sure he encourages the players to get sent off and make mistakes.

[ksrclaret]

Yeah Vinny is sloppy and has sloppy standards which is why he is at Gawthorpe 12-14 hours a day.

Don't post when you're angry.

Sure he encourages the players to get sent off and make mistakes.

See also our defending all season. Sloppy is fair.

Don’t post when you’re angry at what I’ve posted.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The manager has set a culture of sloppiness and excuses all season and the manner in which we concede goals before the interval is a huge issue.

See also the number of red cards we receive. Culture, discipline and mentality problem.

I think you have got that pretty spot on.

Take away our abysmal results this season, our discipline is the ultimate sign of sloppiness and you could even argue a lack of professionalism.

I know it’s been done to death but all this points to VK being massively out of his depth at this level.

[boatshed bill]

I think you have got that pretty spot on.

Take away our abysmal results this season, our discipline is the ultimate sign of sloppiness and you could even argue a lack of professionalism.

I know it’s been done to death but all this points to VK being massively out of his depth at this level.

The players are out of their depth, that's one of the reasons our discipline looks poor.

[mybloodisclaret]

See also our defending all season. Sloppy is fair.

Don’t post when you’re angry at what I’ve posted.

I am not angry at all.... I accepted our fate a long time ago. The recent upsurge has been enjoyable, but the reality is, we are exactly where we are.

Vinny is at fault in parts no doubt about it all, but he isn't sloppy. He tried things; it didn't work. His subs (in fans views, including mine - particularly Benson, are odd) he knows the players better than me. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have in charge. What about you?

[Rileybobs]

Yeah Vinny is sloppy and has sloppy standards which is why he is at Gawthorpe 12-14 hours a day.

It’s possible to work long hours and still fail to instil the correct discipline and standards in your team. Today’s red card wasn’t through a lack of discipline, but we have seen numerous examples of that this season from the players and Vinny himself.

[ksrclaret]

I am not angry at all.... I accepted our fate a long time ago. The recent upsurge has been enjoyable, but the reality is, we are exactly where we are.

Vinny is at fault in parts no doubt about it all, but he isn't sloppy. He tried things; it didn't work. His subs (in fans views, including mine - particularly Benson, are odd) he knows the players better than me. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have in charge. What about you?

I too accepted our fate a while ago. That doesn’t stop me commenting after another poor showing.

I’m happy with my description of sloppiness as I think it’s fair. I’m not saying he’s done it on purpose by the way, it’s a consequence of lots of poor decisions.

[mybloodisclaret]

I too accepted our fate a while ago. That doesn’t stop me commenting after another poor showing.

I’m happy with my description of sloppiness as I think it’s fair. I’m not saying he’s done it on purpose by the way, it’s a consequence of lots of poor decisions.

Fair enough. Going out to try and enjoy a pint now. Another game we shouldn't have lost. And losing it was very avoidable.

[mybloodisclaret]

It’s possible to work long hours and still fail to instil the correct discipline and standards in your team. Today’s red card wasn’t through a lack of discipline, but we have seen numerous examples of that this season from the players and Vinny himself.

Agreed, it was because a professional footballer couldn't control an easy pass along the ground.

[ksrclaret]

Fair enough. Going out to try and enjoy a pint now. Another game we shouldn't have lost. And losing it was very avoidable.

Enjoy yourself pal. At least they give us talking points if nothing else this season.

[claretspice]

I do believe the players are trying, and are doing their best.

But there is a culture which doesn't drive the absolute maximum, because that comes from within a group. There isn't the core of players who set the demand and there isn't the spirit which comes of familiarity because its a team thrown together in a couple of windows. And with thst comes a steely professionalism that doesn't allow ill-discipline or sloppy lapses.

If Kompany wants to go to the top as a manager, then leaving aside recruitment, that's the thing he needs to find the ability to instill.

[Rileybobs]

Agreed, it was because a professional footballer couldn't control an easy pass along the ground.

Yes, but mistakes happen. The problem is we are set up in such an over-exposed way that these mistakes are inevitably punished.

In terms of standards, I’ve observed a real lack of work rate from a number of players this season which shouldn’t be tolerated. So if Vinny does work hard, and I’m sure he does, this obviously doesn’t rub off on the squad as a whole. Those players not getting a bollocking, and then starting the next game, and the one after, lets others know that a lack of work rate will be accepted.

[Rowls]

There is not a single aspect of our defending this season that has been up to the standard required for this league.

[equinox]

I work in the betting industry (an odds setter).

Very suspicious.

[mybloodisclaret]

I work in the betting industry (an odds setter).

Very suspicious.

Sounds a very dangerous comment?
In what way suspicious?

[equinox]

Sounds a very dangerous comment?
In what way suspicious?

That opostion teams know they can score when they like against us and choose to score from the 40th minute +.

[equinox]

I'm a delivery driver you clown.

[mybloodisclaret]

I'm a delivery driver you clown.

Good one... top bants

[Vegas Claret]

everyone talking about sloppiness and nobody talking about the single biggest thing in professional sport - confidence. Ours has been shot since the first month and we never really recovered no matter the personnel or the tactics, getting smashed most weeks must be very difficult for any professional sports person.

[Vegas Claret]

In terms of standards, I’ve observed a real lack of work rate from a number of players this season which shouldn’t be tolerated. So if Vinny does work hard, and I’m sure he does, this obviously doesn’t rub off on the squad as a whole. Those players not getting a bollocking, and then starting the next game, and the one after, lets others know that a lack of work rate will be accepted.

that's been my biggest bugbear with a couple of players but it's not something I can point at most of them tbh

[CoolClaret]

The goals conceded just before half time/full time, along with the discipline record are tell tale signs of poor management tbh.

Odd occurrences can be put down to being coincidental but when it's a repeated, frequent pattern? Suggests that this is a problem.

[Vegas Claret]

The goals conceded just before half time/full time, along with the discipline record are tell tale signs of poor management tbh.

Odd occurrences can be put down to being coincidental but when it's a repeated, frequent pattern? Suggests that this is a problem.

inexperience, can you imagine the difference if we would have had a Ben Mee at the back, team of young lads thrown together in the biggest league in the world - suicide

[CoolClaret]

inexperience, can you imagine the difference if we would have had a Ben Mee at the back, team of young lads thrown together in the biggest league in the world - suicide

Yep.

We said it all summer/pre season as well... Just a tinge bit more pragmatism (can still play good football) but with more of an eye to results now than potential in three years and we'd be massively better off.

Just got the balance completely wrong.

For the record I still wouldn't can him - just hoping that the manager and the board wise up a bit.

[Vegas Claret]

For the record I still wouldn't can him - just hoping that the manager and the board wise up a bit.

They have to or we are royally screwed. I'm caught between being completely baffled how much of a pigs ear they made of it in the summer and having faith in them to bounce back next season. Logic says we should but last summer does make me concerned - I just can't figure out how 'smart' people in Kompany and Bellamy who have been there, done it and have numerous t-shirts got it so badly wrong.

I still stick with the question I have asked a few times though, after the City game at home Kompany was convinced that would be our worst performance of the season, I think he genuinely thought the players would improve to a certain level and they clearly haven't - so the question is is that all on Kompany's training or are the players just simply not able to get to the level they hoped they would be at ?

When you consider last season we were told by players etc that the level of detail he goes in to was unprecedented I'd suggest it's the players that are the ones who are struggling.

[taio]

They have to or we are royally screwed. I'm caught between being completely baffled how much of a pigs ear they made of it in the summer and having faith in them to bounce back next season. Logic says we should but last summer does make me concerned - I just can't figure out how 'smart' people in Kompany and Bellamy who have been there, done it and have numerous t-shirts got it so badly wrong.

I still stick with the question I have asked a few times though, after the City game at home Kompany was convinced that would be our worst performance of the season, I think he genuinely thought the players would improve to a certain level and they clearly haven't - so the question is is that all on Kompany's training or are the players just simply not able to get to the level they hoped they would be at ?

When you consider last season we were told by players etc that the level of detail he goes in to was unprecedented I'd suggest it's the players that are the ones who are struggling.

It's both.

[CoolClaret]

They have to or we are royally screwed. I'm caught between being completely baffled how much of a pigs ear they made of it in the summer and having faith in them to bounce back next season. Logic says we should but last summer does make me concerned - I just can't figure out how 'smart' people in Kompany and Bellamy who have been there, done it and have numerous t-shirts got it so badly wrong.

I suggested it's been a bit Mount Stupid on the Dunning-Kruger curve in terms of the approach to the season.

Ego is one hell of a drug - I do like VK but i do get the impression that his self-belief crosses over into arrogance at times.

Tidbits of him working 12-14 hr a day is just hot air; no one on the planet can efficiently work for 12/14 hours a day.. That's why I made a comment on another thread that he needs to work out if he wants to be a manager or a DoF type because I think he tries to do too much and it's ultimately harming him and as an extension, us.

Overworking, over analysing, over thinking - you could say that is exactly what has happened throughout the season, exemplified by the last two crunch matches with putting our best winger centrally and our best striker outwide... That to me was appaling. Every Claret wanted to see Fofana and Foster up top together and see if they could ruffle some feathers - why could't the manager see this?!

I still stick with the question I have asked a few times though, after the City game at home Kompany was convinced that would be our worst performance of the season, I think he genuinely thought the players would improve to a certain level and they clearly haven't - so the question is is that all on Kompany's training or are the players just simply not able to get to the level they hoped they would be at ?

& again Vegas, as I and other have said many times on here... Player improvement isn't this sort of simple, linear progression like some seem to make out.

Cobbing a new team together and expecting it to work was daft. There was no need for it.

Again, last seasons success cannot be underestimated - it was a borderline miracle that with all that change we could come together and blitz the league like we did... You just cannot expect to do that year upon year and have success with it.

Yes we needed new players and had to fill gaps in the squad but christ.

When you consider last season we were told by players etc that the level of detail he goes in to was unprecedented I'd suggest it's the players that are the ones who are struggling.

Sometimes too much detail is too much to take on board.

Under stress you revert to your training - with smaller windows to execute in the PL when in stressful situations the players could be simply over thinking things.

When you drill playing out all the time then that's all that your team will ever do because they will revert to type no matter what is presented in front of them.

Or when we get forward looking for a pass over going for goal for example - defaulting to the 'patterns of play' that gets drilled in.

The main point is that with every facet possible this season it appears that we've simply gotten the balance badly wrong.

It's a damn shame considering just how wonderful last season was and how well they turned the club around.