Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings

[Darthlaw]

Muric 5 - Made some good saves but no getting away from it, his error cost us the game.
Assignon 6 - Got forward well but that air shot...
O’Shea 5 - Cost himself his place on the pitch with poor control.
Estève 7 - Probably the only player to come out of the game with anything positive.
Taylor 5 - Standard Chaz, with slightly better crossing this time.
Foster 6 - Wasted out on the wing.
Berge 6 - relatively anonymous but probably the best in our midfield
Cullen 5 - A game to forget
Bruun Larsen 5 - Anonymous.
Odobert 4 - A passenger in this position. Wasteful in possession and lost it with regularity at which point he offered nothing going back. Needs replacing for Benson ASAP.
Fofana 4 - Another poor game for DDF.

Our whole season surmised in one game. We offered no threat, with players offering nothing on the pitch and allowed to stay on far too long. We then implode despite no real opportunities for the opposition. Finally we go totally inept and consistently hand possession back to the opposition.

Just poor.

[jojomk1]

Our whole season surmised in one game. We offered no threat, with players offering nothing on the pitch and allowed to stay on far too long. We then implode despite no real opportunities for the opposition. Finally we go totally inept and consistently hand possession back to the opposition.
Just poor.

Yet according to our manager, speaking to BBC after the match, we have been the better side over all of the last six games and could have been looking at an 18 points haul

[CnBtruntru]

Yet according to our manager, speaking to BBC after the match, we have been the better side over all of the last six games and could have been looking at an 18 points haul

He can think what he wants, but if you don't score you can't win and not one goal against Everton in three games is **** poor.

[Darthlaw]

Yet according to our manager, speaking to BBC after the match, we have been the better side over all of the last six games and could have been looking at an 18 points haul

Ironically (bar the last 10 mins where we went full meltdown) we probably were the better side, yesterday.

I think that says more about the quality of the opposition, rather than the performance of ours.

[ClaretTony]

Yet according to our manager, speaking to BBC after the match, we have been the better side over all of the last six games and could have been looking at an 18 points haul

I heard that - fair to say that I don't agree with him

[bumba]

He thinks possession means we are playing better than the other team, the worrying thing with VK is he still hasn't figured out teams allow us possession because they know we'll make mistakes and gift them chances.
We are too weak defensively and error prone, it's easy to play against.

[ClaretLoup]

Yet according to our manager, speaking to BBC after the match, we have been the better side over all of the last six games and could have been looking at an 18 points haul

I heard that too.

I know this might be about semantics but for me the "better" team is one that scores more goals than the other. The only time we managed that was vs 10 men for 100 minutes. If you want sports that score on aesthetics or some other criteria then you are better off watching diving or ice skating, or maybe Strictly.

Kompany is beginning to sound like that bunch of managers like Mark Hughes, Pellegrino etc who got whupped one nil by Dyche's teams despite masses of possession and nice passing in front of the framework. However, for balance, he does also acknowledge it's what happens in the two boxes that counts in his post match meanderings.

[KateR]

Muric - 6 Would obviously have been more but for the howler
Assignon - 4
O’Shea - 4
Esteve - 7*
Taylor - 6
Larsen - 5
Cullen - 6
Berge - 6
Odobert - 6
Fofana - 4
Foster - 5 Do feel sorry for him playing in this position, it's just not working

Vitinho - 6
Brownhill - 6

[claretcarrot93]

Absolutely flat after that performance. To give a goal away like that with 20 seconds of the first half remaining was downright ridiculous and the second half performance wasn’t even inept.

Muric 3
Assignon 4
O’Shea 4
Estève 6
Taylor 6
Foster 6
Berge 7
Cullen 6
Bruun Larsen 5
Odobert 4
Fofana 4

Vitinho 5
Brownhill 6

Actually gave Trafford a higher score away at Palace a game he was far worse than Muric in

[ClaretTony]

Actually gave Trafford a higher score away at Palace a game he was far worse than Muric in

Partly responsible for the red card at Palace but Muric cost us with the worst goalkeeping mistake of the season. Therefore for me, Muric’s performance was more costly and worse.

[CoolClaret]

Partly responsible for the red card at Palace but Muric cost us with the worst goalkeeping mistake of the season. Therefore for me, Muric’s performance was more costly and worse.

Traff did similar at Luton but it deflected wide.

It's not worthy of a 3 in my opinion - it was a bad mistake in a huge game but the severity of the game surely can't be used here in the rating?

[ClaretPete001]

Traff did similar at Luton but it deflected wide.

It's not worthy of a 3 in my opinion - it was a bad mistake in a huge game but the severity of the game surely can't be used here in the rating?

I think it can arguably because of a term you use a bit, which is in-game management. It's part of the performance.

To be that lackadaisical at that point in a game like this has to be a low score.

However, on the flip side I do think we played reasonably well and other than that a 0-0 at Goodison is a decent result.

VK is right to point to us being better in two games (not 6) but still has to explain 1 point in 6 against mid table PL teams without their better players. To me, that is more problematic for VK than disagreeing with him.

[claretcarrot93]

Partly responsible for the red card at Palace but Muric cost us with the worst goalkeeping mistake of the season. Therefore for me, Muric’s performance was more costly and worse.

He was fully responsible and conceded 3 goals

[NL Claret]

The tedious and weird Trafford v Muric thing continues. It was a 3/10 performance because the error could have been avoided and it appeared to have a negative impact all round, it cost us the game, irrespective of the context of the game. I would have given him 3 if it was a mid table dead rubber.

Trafford is out of team yet still get snipes, odd.

[CoolClaret]

The tedious and weird Trafford v Muric thing continues. It was a 3/10 performance because the error could have been avoided and it appeared to have a negative impact all round, it cost us the game, irrespective of the context of the game. I would have given him 3 if it was a mid table dead rubber.

Trafford is out of team yet still get snipes, odd.

Simply pointing out this notion that it's the worst of the season and hasn't been done by anyone else is nonsense.

A 3 is a joke - you can't possibly score any lower - to me that means multiple errors leading to goals and no positives.. but it is subjective after all.

[claretonthecoast1882]

If all players are being treated equally then Muric gets a 3 or maybe a 4 at a push. Those defending Muric and arguing his point would have spent the weekend doing all they can to hammer Trafford had he done this. I can remember though being told there was or isn't an agenda.

Even more staggering was when I voted for man of the match at that time Muric had received 28 votes.

[taio]

Muric's was the worst error this season when you consider the context. I'd have scored him a 4 but can understand the several ratings of 3 (not sure why one poster is being singled-out). A shame because he'd been doing very well on his return - he still needs to start on Saturday though.

[ClaretTony]

Traff did similar at Luton but it deflected wide.

It's not worthy of a 3 in my opinion - it was a bad mistake in a huge game but the severity of the game surely can't be used here in the rating?

He'd already got away with it once before they scored - I'll stand by my three because mistakes like that, in my view, make it an abysmal performance.

[ClaretTony]

Muric's was the worst error this season when you consider the context. I'd have scored him a 4 but can understand the several ratings of 3 (not sure why one poster is being singled-out). A shame because he'd been doing very well on his return - he still needs to start on Saturday though.

Not sure why one poster is being singled out. It's because it's me. I've stayed off this board for much of the last week, looks as if I need to stay away a bit longer.

[CoolClaret]

He'd already got away with it once before they scored - I'll stand by my three because mistakes like that, in my view, make it an abysmal performance.

He got away with it because that's the instructions. High risk high reward, which is on the managers' instruction.

No doubt it's a blunder; I have just noticed that some people giving 3s were the same giving 7s for the Brentford/Chelsea performances which suggests bias.

The only reason I highlighted you CT is that you did similar for someone giving him a 10 a few weeks back. It's not 'singling you out'; I respect your opinion, time and effort that you put in to the site.

[ClaretTony]

He got away with it because that's the instructions. High risk high reward, which is on the managers' instruction.

I don't think it's the manager's instructions to make a complete balls of it.

[FCBurnley]

I must be the only person on here who thought Muric had a good game with the obvious exception of 1 huge error that cost us a point. He made numerous excellent saves and catches plus played his sweeper role perfectly. I can only remember one bad piece of distribution which went out of play plus of course his huge error. I marked him an 8 minus 2 for the error which gave him a 6. Clearly I disagree with all the threes and fours. Fives and sixes I can understand But marking after a loss is often emotional. I certainly dont agree how he could be MOM

[CoolClaret]

I don't think it's the manager's instructions to make a complete balls of it.

Of course - but if it's a high risk gameplan then every now and then stuff like that is bound to happen.

People take poor touches all over the park, the problem is a poor touch or a misplaced pass deep in your own half usually leads to a key chance - Dyche knows this so he doesn't instruct it.

[taio]

Of course - but if it's a high risk gameplan then every now and then stuff like that is bound to happen.

People take poor touches all over the park, the problem is a poor touch or a misplaced pass deep in your own half usually leads to a key chance - Dyche knows this so he doesn't instruct it.

Yet you haven't shown any such tolerance whatsoever towards Trafford and in your campaign against him.

[CoolClaret]

Yet you haven't shown any such tolerance whatsoever towards Trafford and in your campaign against him.

Wrong.

Gave plenty of 7s and the odd 8/9

My argument that has remained consistant was

- Traff did nothing to get the shirt in the first place
- That if we do want to play this high risk/high reward style then we should at least play the bloke that can make the passes / sweeper keeper style to make it work.

It was never going to be smooth sailing and there'd be hairy moments - but extrapolate it out over the season then I believe we'd have more wins and therefore more points than we currently do.

[FCBurnley]

VK has a lot more to answer for than Trafford and Muric combined !!

[CoolClaret]

VK has a lot more to answer for than Trafford and Muric combined !!

Agreed.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Two things clear as day:

1. Muric, and I am a huge fan, cost us the game with a clanger worthy of non league.
2. Any poster on here is allowed to rate that however they like without ridicule. Losing points due to the avoidable, crucial and defining nature of it, seems sensible.

[Luppy]

It's funny how quickly people forget. That 'rancid' Everton team is very similar to the team we loved for so long. The graft they were putting into make sure it stayed 1 0 was tremendous.
We hardly created a single clear cut chance all game and that's not like us. Everton did what Dyche teams do.

The problem is Goliath that we had claret and blue tinted glasses on. I genuinely think, having said that, that we played a lot more football than Everton do. I used to laugh at opposing fans who said "I wouldn't want to watch that every week" - but if the football was as appalling as that was, then I totally get it.