If VK is made director of football who is our manager?

[Woodleyclaret]

Much has been written about VK as director of football if we did do that who is a good fit for manager ?

[ksrclaret]

I can honestly say I’ve never once seen it written that Kompany might take up a Director of Football position.

Have you got a link?

[taio]

Where has all this been written?

[daveisaclaret]

"Much has been written" in this instance means "I saw one post about it and took it seriously"

[ŽižkovClaret]

Ok I'll humour the post
Kompany DoF
Jackson First Team Coach
Bellamy Assistant

Can't be much worse

[Pickles]

I wish we'd win some games so we'd have that to talk about instead of conspiracy theories and hypotheticals.

[Boss Hogg]

We need a Director of Football while VK is/ was here. We don’t need VK as a Director of Football. VK may not be here after 12 -15 games next season so perhaps best to wait until then.

[Woodleyclaret]

We beat Brentford recently and did well at Chelsea
Yesterday is gone and I believe we will beat Brighton, Manure and Sheffield United
Things are on the up but my original post was to encourage sensible debate as to whether people thought it was an idea to consider not offend or encourage negative comments.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Just get a manager who plays strikers up front and midfielders in midfield and wingers on the wing.

[claretburns]

"Much has been written"

One poster, can't remember who, made the valid point that in this day and age a Manager/Head Coach can't also be a Director of Football, so which should VK be.

Post was made on the Everton thread yesterday.

[Holtyclaret]

Much has been written about VK as director of football if we did do that who is a good fit for manager ?

Quite literally never seen that once

[yTib]

news to me as well.

where did you hear of this woodley?

[Devils_Advocate]

Much has been written about Woodleyclaret becoming chief moderator of UptheClarets messageboard. If he did who would be a good fit for his board moderation team?

[gawthorpe_view]

Someone posted yesterday that his role seems combine the roles of Manager and DoF.
That's All Folks!

[Chester Perry]

Someone posted yesterday that his role seems combine the roles of Manager and DoF.
That's All Folks!

Which is not all that different to the previous manager

[ClaretTony]

Which is not all that different to the previous manager

I think it's a lot different to the previous manager in his last three or four years

[claretspice]

I'm firmly of the view that we need a director of football/technical director/sporting director - but its not Kompany. Its someone who can challenge and peer review Kompany’s thinking (as Head Coach) from an informed perspective, particularly when it comes to transfer strategy.

Concentrating so much power in one person, and being so beholden to their judgment, is completely barmy in my mind.

[CoolClaret]

I said that VK needs to figure out if he wants to be a DoF or a manager, not that we should make him our DoF.

I'm firmly of the view that we need a director of football/technical director/sporting director - but its not Kompany. Its someone who can challenge and peer review Kompany’s thinking (as Head Coach) from an informed perspective, particularly when it comes to transfer strategy.

Concentrating so much power in one person, and being so beholden to their judgment, is completely barmy in my mind.

^ Absolutely this.

[ClaretTony]

I'm firmly of the view that we need a director of football/technical director/sporting director - but its not Kompany. Its someone who can challenge and peer review Kompany’s thinking (as Head Coach) from an informed perspective, particularly when it comes to transfer strategy.

Concentrating so much power in one person, and being so beholden to their judgment, is completely barmy in my mind.

Didn't we have one until he left a few weeks ago? No one had heard of him but he worked for MUD Analytics. It was Marc Boixasa who carried the title of Chief of Staff Football at Burnley and was with us from August 2022 to February 2024. He'd previously been with Manchester City.

[Tricky Trevor]

He’s totally lost the plot. I’ve backed him until yesterday but that line up was awful and the substitutions did nothing towards getting us back into the game.
Another Summer window like last years and he’ll be finished by November.

[dsr]

What does a director of football do? If he is Kompany's boss, then he's just like any other director. If he's not Kompany's boss, then he isn't a director at all. What's the job description?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

What does a director of football do? If he is Kompany's boss, then he's just like any other director. If he's not Kompany's boss, then he isn't a director at all. What's the job description?

The DOF usually chooses a lot of the players and the manager themselves in some setups. So the team manager usually becomes more of a coach for the players the dof has last say on but they get everyone’s feedback from owners to coaches.

I’m not a fan of it tbh as usually the dof isn’t as good as the manager they are managing . Its basically someone above you interfering constantly in your team and recruitment usually with the last say on matters.

I don’t think Kompany would work well under a dof as he’s stubborn as a mule. Maybe that’s why our current guy has left a few months back according to Tony.

[expoultryboy]

Superjohnnyfrancis : are you crazy , you want players to play in their correct position ??

[JR1882]

Given this seasons signings haven’t really worked and the fact we have a full teams worth of players we signed last season that didn’t work out/need moving on I’d be keeping VK well away from this role in all honesty.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Superjohnnyfrancis : are you crazy , you want players to play in their correct position ??

Just as he sorts the obvious problem out he goes and makes another one

[jrgbfc]

The DOF usually chooses a lot of the players and the manager themselves in some setups. So the team manager usually becomes more of a coach for the players the dof has last say on but they get everyone’s feedback from owners to coaches.

I’m not a fan of it tbh as usually the dof isn’t as good as the manager they are managing . Its basically someone above you interfering constantly in your team and recruitment usually with the last say on matters.

I don’t think Kompany would work well under a dof as he’s stubborn as a mule. Maybe that’s why our current guy has left a few months back according to Tony.

Think its more to do with recruitment than matchday stuff. Would have been useful having somebody experienced to reign Kompany in a bit last summer when he was like a kid let loose in a sweet shop.

[CoolClaret]

The DOF usually chooses a lot of the players and the manager themselves in some setups. So the team manager usually becomes more of a coach for the players the dof has last say on but they get everyone’s feedback from owners to coaches.

I’m not a fan of it tbh as usually the dof isn’t as good as the manager they are managing . Its basically someone above you interfering constantly in your team and recruitment usually with the last say on matters.

I don’t think Kompany would work well under a dof as he’s stubborn as a mule. Maybe that’s why our current guy has left a few months back according to Tony.

In certain setups it can work extremely well and it's how the game is trending.

Ragnick would've been perfect for United in that role but the powers that be didn't like that he wasn't a kiss arse - bloody knew his stuff about player recruitment though.

As the game has progressed more detail/time/energy is needed into both the coaching/management and recruitment side of things, hence the calls for that man to come in and less responsibility on VK/our manager.

[claretspice]

The DOF usually chooses a lot of the players and the manager themselves in some setups. So the team manager usually becomes more of a coach for the players the dof has last say on but they get everyone’s feedback from owners to coaches.

I’m not a fan of it tbh as usually the dof isn’t as good as the manager they are managing . Its basically someone above you interfering constantly in your team and recruitment usually with the last say on matters.

I don’t think Kompany would work well under a dof as he’s stubborn as a mule. Maybe that’s why our current guy has left a few months back according to Tony.

I don't think that's accurate in terms of the modern role. The modern role is more about establishing the culture of the squad and ensuring managers are selected that fit that culture, and then acting as a point of challenge before players are brought in. It's not a job for a failed manager and it doesn't involve interfering with day to day first team matters. It is more about long term strategy and administration and its a background role.

There are very few clubs in what you might call the top 30 who do not have that role in place. We might be the only one. And certainly all the clubs we are looking to emulate, like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth, do.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I don't think that's accurate in terms of the modern role. The modern role us more about establishing the culture of the squad and ensuring managers are selected that fit that culture, and then acting as a point of challenge before players are brought in. It's not a job for a failed manager and it doesn't involve interfering with day to day first team matters. It is more about long term strategy and administration.

I’m going off what I heard from the ex qpr or Sunderland dof on talk sport as he was talking about his role. I can’t remember his name but I heard all the interview whilst working.

There will of course be loads of variables from club to club .

[AmbleClaret]

We beat Brentford recently and did well at Chelsea
Yesterday is gone and I believe we will beat Brighton, Manure and Sheffield United
Things are on the up but my original post was to encourage sensible debate as to whether people thought it was an idea to consider not offend or encourage negative comments.

4 wins out of 32 ,followed by 3 out of 3 ?????

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

“Hey Vinny why are you playing Lyle on the right wing?”

You would have hoped one of his coaches would have challenged him on this by now, nevermind a dof.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

4 wins out of 32 ,followed by 3 out of 3 ?????

Get Nigel Pearson on the blower

[DCWat]

“Hey Vinny why are you playing Lyle on the right wing?”

You would have hoped one of his coaches would have challenged him on this by now, nevermind a dof.

I’d have thought one of the coaches might have sorted out the defending of set pieces, or our ability to be effective from our own set pieces, or found a way to cut out the silly mistakes, or, or, or, or……..

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

In certain setups it can work extremely well and it's how the game is trending.

Ragnick would've been perfect for United in that role but the powers that be didn't like that he wasn't a kiss arse - bloody knew his stuff about player recruitment though.

As the game has progressed more detail/time/energy is needed into both the coaching/management and recruitment side of things, hence the calls for that man to come in and less responsibility on VK/our manager.

It could work but the dof and manager would have to be exeptionally well aligned for it to.

I can’t see Kompany ever being under someone’s else’s control or asking their input. His recent team selections are all over the place like when I couldn’t win on football manager or something. Randomly just trying anything outlandish to get a win with no rhyme or reason. Maybe his computer is malfunctioning.

[claretspice]

It could work but the dof and manager would have to be exeptionally well aligned for it to.

I can’t see Kompany ever being under someone’s else’s control or asking their input. His recent team selections are all over the place like when I couldn’t win on football manager or something. Randomly just trying anything outlandish to get a win with no rhyme or reason. Maybe his computer is malfunctioning.

If it is working successfully for virtually every other club, and in particular those smaller clubs who are upwardly mobile, is the better question not could Kompany cope with having a line manager, but why are we/he such an outlier that it couldn't work?

Even Dyche now reports to a DoF at Everton.

It'd certainly be worthwhile to have someone with the experience and credibility to observe training and not interfere but challenge if it does turn out the set piece coach owes his role to nepotism rather than coaching ability.

[DCWat]

It could work but the dof and manager would have to be exeptionally well aligned for it to.

I can’t see Kompany ever being under someone’s else’s control or asking their input. His recent team selections are all over the place like when I couldn’t win on football manager or something. Randomly just trying anything outlandish to get a win with no rhyme or reason. Maybe his computer is malfunctioning.

Would you say Pep is under someone’s control, at City?

It’ll hardly be a new thing for Kompany, with Begiristain being DOF at City for years, whilst he was playing for them.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If it is working successfully for virtually every other club, and in particular those smaller clubs who are upwardly mobile, is the better question not could Kompany cope with having a line manager, but why are we/he such an outlier that it couldn't work?

Even Dyche now reports to a DoF at Everton.

It'd certainly be worthwhile to have someone with the experience and credibility to observe training and not interfere but challenge if it does turn out the set piece coach owes his role to nepotism rather than coaching ability.

Tony has said above somewhere that the quasi dof we had was let go in Feb.

[dsr]

In American football (NFL), they typically have a general manager to draft and trade for the players, and the head coach to coach them and to make all the matchday decisions. Obviously they have to work together, and it would be a foolish GM who didn't run potential signings past the coach. But the GM wouldn't expect to be involved on matchday.

[claretspice]

Tony has said above somewhere that the quasi dof we had was let go in Feb.

Well I don't know what exactly his role was but my understanding (from what was reported when he left) is he was someone who reported to Kompany but dealt with off field matters rather than someone to.shom Kompany reported. If so that'd be a fundamental difference.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I would certainly bring in the above arrangement before sacking VK if it came to that. It feels it could strengthen us significantly. Even the greatest business minds often welcome challenge and an assurance process because they know it makes them better.

[CoolClaret]

It could work but the dof and manager would have to be exeptionally well aligned for it to.

I can’t see Kompany ever being under someone’s else’s control or asking their input. His recent team selections are all over the place like when I couldn’t win on football manager or something. Randomly just trying anything outlandish to get a win with no rhyme or reason. Maybe his computer is malfunctioning.

I can't see him wanting to be in that sort of setup either - which to me is his self-belief / arrogance.

Reading between the lines that's why he left Anderlecht as well and why he joined us in the first place (that level of control/influence).

Now, I could be wrong but I have a feeling that he may have been given even more control after signing his contract extension - but that is wild speculation on my part.

[helmclaret]

If it is working successfully for virtually every other club, and in particular those smaller clubs who are upwardly mobile, is the better question not could Kompany cope with having a line manager, but why are we/he such an outlier that it couldn't work?

Even Dyche now reports to a DoF at Everton.

It'd certainly be worthwhile to have someone with the experience and credibility to observe training and not interfere but challenge if it does turn out the set piece coach owes his role to nepotism rather than coaching ability.

I think the role varies from club to club. But I don’t think any of them observe training.

[ksrclaret]

I can't see him wanting to be in that sort of setup either - which to me is his self-belief / arrogance.

Reading between the lines that's why he left Anderlecht as well and why he joined us in the first place (that level of control/influence).

Now, I could be wrong but I have a feeling that he may have been given even more control after signing his contract extension - but that is wild speculation on my part.

A huge part of the problem is that one man holds so much power at the football club, and that man is a 37 year old novice with an ego the size of the training ground.

Doesn’t help how Pace talks about him in the media either. He’s supposed to be answering to Pace but it appears to be the other way around from what I’ve seen.

[CoolClaret]

A huge part of the problem is that one man holds so much power at the football club, and that man is a 37 year old novice with an ego the size of the training ground.

Doesn’t help how Pace talks about him in the media either. He’s supposed to be answering to Pace but it appears to be the other way around from what I’ve seen.

& a chairman and board that also have little experience firstly in Football and secondly in Football in England - which is a completely different kettle of fish than the MLS.