Everton - 2 more points deducted.

[Spijed]

You do get the impression that by giving a soft penalty to Everton it means that Man City won't get punished unduly and they'll be able to easily absorb a few points without too many issues.

[Wile E Coyote]

just surprised they havent awarded the deducted points from everton to Arsenal, to ensure they win the league.

[Chester Perry]

You do get the impression that by giving a soft penalty to Everton it means that Man City won't get punished unduly and they'll be able to easily absorb a few points without too many issues.

it depends on how you see things - Everton believed they would get a zero points penalty for this hearing and that is why they are appealing - remember this is a single charge which they successfully argued about Double Jeopardy and Natural justice

What the judgement report from the Forest Commission told us was that the option of expulsion is clearly a penalty that, under as yet undefined circumstances, could be applied if the totality of rule breaches and actions of the defendant warranted it - this would have certainly focused minds at Manchester City.

[Cirrus_Minor]

2 points!.....is that it?

[MrTopTier]

Absolutely makes a mockery of the whole system.

They cheated ( there is no other word did it) the punishment should have been relegation, the same applies to Forest.
By doing so it sends a strong and clear message.

These points deductions are arbitrary and effectively in this case means you can cheat ( yes that word again) and not really be punished. The message it sends out is that you can cheat as many times as you like and it really won’t impact your place in the Premier League.

It makes the Premier League look amateurish and additionally encourages further cheating in the future, other clubs mid table and below will be looking at those punishments and thinking maybe if we spent x more than we can, could be difference in finishing positions higher, thus generating more income to continue the self perpetuating madness that is Premier league spending.

[ecc]

TBH it's a bloody mess. Points docked then some given back now more taken away. Ridiculous.

[Tricky Trevor]

My head could explode at them now bringing the invasion of Ukraine in as a reason for a deduction. Plus if you are stone cold guilty why would you not cooperate? Totally corrupt w*nkers but we’ve known that for many years.

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[Chester Perry]

It seems that the speeded up process meant that an additional item of dispute that Everton will not admit they have got wrong - was not part of the judgement and will be heard separately after the legal teams make the appropriate preparations - likely to be next season no - it echoes Everton's argument about preparation from the first set of charges

from The Guardian

Everton could face further punishment after being hit with two-point deduction
Hearing over disputed £6.5m loss to be heard by Premier League
Case set to drag into next season and raises integrity questions
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... cial-rules
https://archive.ph/vfToX

[Chester Perry]

My head could explode at them now bringing the invasion of Ukraine in as a reason for a deduction. Plus if you are stone cold guilty why would you not cooperate? Totally corrupt w*nkers but we’ve known that for many years.

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wasn't this part of the appeal the first time - if it was granted then, it was always likely to be so this time - less so going forward

[Chester Perry]

Absolutely makes a mockery of the whole system.

They cheated ( there is no other word did it) the punishment should have been relegation, the same applies to Forest.
By doing so it sends a strong and clear message.

These points deductions are arbitrary and effectively in this case means you can cheat ( yes that word again) and not really be punished. The message it sends out is that you can cheat as many times as you like and it really won’t impact your place in the Premier League.

It makes the Premier League look amateurish and additionally encourages further cheating in the future, other clubs mid table and below will be looking at those punishments and thinking maybe if we spent x more than we can, could be difference in finishing positions higher, thus generating more income to continue the self perpetuating madness that is Premier league spending.

You are not understanding the nature of the Independent commission or that the Premier League members voted against high specific tariffs in such cases that were recommended to them. - those same tariffs are what the Premier League argued for in the first hearing and appeal, they were rejected, if applied we would be out of the relegation zone. It is categorically, not the Premier Leagues fault

[Chester Perry]

Chester Perry references the "public lies about taking the Premier League warnings seriously" and this became abundantly clear when their Operating Loss for the last financial year was published at £89m. Never a chance that they would be within the PSR threshold of £105m.

But it gets worse......I've seen a document which indicates a projected Operating Loss for this current financial year of a further £55m, which on top of the Losses from '22 and '23 of £46m and £89m respectively suggests a rolling three year figure of £190m. Clearly potentially exceeding the threshold this time by a staggering £85m.

So, not only are they not taking the PL warnings seriously, they are simply laughing in the face of the PL......What level of punishment will they consider to be appropriate next time around ?.....If only we had taken points off them last weekend and made it really interesting.

there is still time to make a sale of some kind before the period end date that would bring them within the rules - Branthwaite in particular is a get out of jail card - though they are running out of them

[mikeS]

We've all seen now how the Premier Leagues justice in this process works. First it was a 10 point penalty then that was reduced to six on appeal and now they've added another two point deduction. How amateurish this all looks. Forest, Chelsea and City must be quaking in their boots.

[Swizzlestick]

What an absolute farce.

[IanMcL]

Minimal amount. Justification?

Predicted end points minus 2 will be OK!

[bobinho]

Two things are absolutely certain.

1. Some were hoping against hope that these points reductions would be enough to save us - absolutely ridiculous, and misses the point entirely.
2. No way whatsoever did the PL want to lose Everton from their “league”, nor were they ever going to let it happen.

We are gone, fair enough - we don’t deserve to stay up. I am resigned to that and I’ve dealt with it.

Clubs who have blatantly cheated should be punished by relegation. No “yeah, but what happened was, Russia invaded Ukraine so you should let us off” ********. The PL have made a bigger pigs ear of this than VAR.

The PL have a product to sell, and that product looks a whole lot better on the telly when those watching are looking at Bramley Moore Dock as opposed to the rows of terraced houses viewed from over the Bob Lord Stand.

Of course I can't prove anything, but my head tells me anything that generates revenue like the PL does simply HAS to be bent somewhere. Some are clearly better at hiding it than others…

[beddie]

It needs a good number of PL clubs to lodge a complaint about this pathetic deduction, then of course those clubs currently above Everton are not really bothered or in the slightest bit interested as it doesn’t affect them. If the authority’s had some balls they’d relegate these clubs for cheating, that would put a stop to it.

[RammyClaret61]

Manchester City will be deducted 2 points for each of the 115 charges. A points deduction of 230 points to be applied next season. On appeal, the premier League will give City back 3 points for each charge. They will then start next season with +115 points. The Premier League will declare them champions on the 10th August and present the trophy at their first home game.

[Clive 1960]

The all system is a complete joke, i really hope that Luton can stay up and relegate Everton..

[Vegas Claret]

I don't know why people consistently compare Everton's charges to Man City's.

[Rick_Muller]

It’s shocking really. A second breach and they get 2 points deducted. Surely a second offence would carry a more severe punishment. It’s a joke really. Having said that even the judicial system isn’t much better.

I know right.

“Yes Barry Burglar, you’ve already done 6 months for your first offence, here’s another 2 months for doing it again”

[Vincent'sCap]

To do what exactly? Storm the league again…. Great… but it only brings us back to where we’ve come from. What exactly do you want as a Burnley fan?

Fairness would be a start,and if we storm the Championship every other year then have to endure the Premier league and all their money for one season I'll take that
Do you like being cheated on by corrupt officials every single week, I certainly dont

[dougcollins]

They’re not going down. Rubbish how they’ve got away with it. 8 points is nothing!

It certainly isn't considering how bad us and Sheff Utd are.

[quoonbeatz]

Sounds like there will be no need for another open top bus tour at the end of next season should we get promoted. Nothing really to celebrate.

Nah, always celebrate your wins.