So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?

[KRBFC]

Because people are able to see that while Muric has made two awful mistakes in consecutive games which have lost us points, he also enhances our play. Trafford has made mistakes and has less redeeming qualities to keep him in the side despite those mistakes. It's really not too difficult.

So Muric can do no wrong and the new guy Trafford can do no right, got it.

Makes total sense, we won’t hammer Muric kicking the ball into his own net but we’ll hammer the new guy for less.

[kentonclaret]

Very happy with the points we’ve had from his games so far, if only he was in for the full season we wouldn’t be in the bottom three.

Nonsense, points gained against bottom half teams and no matches in the sample against a top 6 team.

[Neil]

Very happy with the points we’ve had from his games so far, if only he was in for the full season we wouldn’t be in the bottom three.

One could argue we'd have at least 4 points from the last 2 games if he wasn't playing.

I think the last two games have pretty much proven that we'd have been relegated with either keeper playing.

And the frustrating thing is, if you remove the howlers from both keepers and a few from defenders, we'd have been in a far better league position and in with a great shot of staying up, as bad as we've been.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Just calm down let him play last couple of games and assess after that instead of crucifying people.

He’s been loads better than Trafford already , we might need to get another keeper if we get back to prem so what.

He’s saved us a few times also already.

Putting anymore pressure on him isn’t going to help us at all.

[kentonclaret]

Right now he's a far better keeper and the team look more confident playing out from the back than we do with Trafford. I thought he had a decent game again today apart from the massive mistake. Even Alison and Ederson have made bad mistakes, the difference is they playing in sides that are scoring goals and taking their chances.

So, we were scoring goals and taking our chances when Trafford was in goal?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Nonsense, points gained against bottom half teams and no matches in the sample against a top 6 team.

Everything is nonsense to you. What’s the solution then?

[Guller Bull]

Lets try not to be over critical.

Most people recognise that Trafford will be a fantastic keeper ((He is a junior version of Pickford)
Muric offers more to "the team" now in terms of confidence and distribution but has been woeful in his last two games
As for Laurence Vigaroux - give him a chance and add to his value. He cant do much worse can he?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

One could argue we'd have at least 4 points from the last 2 games if he wasn't playing.

I think the last two games have pretty much proven that we'd have been relegated with either keeper playing.

And the frustrating thing is, if you remove the howlers from both keepers and a few from defenders, we'd have been in a far better league position and in with a great shot of staying up, as bad as we've been.

Guaranteed to have lost by two goals with Trafford in the nets that’s for sure. Lots of evidence to support that.

[Pickles]

So Muric can do no wrong and the new guy Trafford can do no right, got it.

Makes total sense, we won’t hammer Muric kicking the ball into his own net but we’ll hammer the new guy for less.

I'd ask if you've read what I wrote but you have a track record for not doing so it would be pointless asking.

No-one has said Muric can do no wrong. In the post you've replied to I've stated what is fact - he's made two awful mistakes in back to back games which have cost us points. The table would look a whole better if he hadn't made them.

Between two goalkeepers who have made mistakes throughout the season, one has more redeeming qualities than the other. And that is Muric.

I don't want to sound grumpy but if you reply to this please make sure you've read it!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Because people are able to see that while Muric has made two awful mistakes in consecutive games which have lost us points, he also enhances our play. Trafford has made mistakes and has less redeeming qualities to keep him in the side despite those mistakes. It's really not too difficult.

I’m really not sure he does enhance our play.

I think the midfield is considerably better now Cullen and Berge seem to have formed a relatively decent partnership.

Muric has made two of the biggest howlers in the league this season. Trafford is a better keeper but probably not good enough.

Maybe time to give the third keeper a chance.

[boatshed bill]

Drop the strikers, we should have taken our chances.

[ISpeds00]

How can you drop your best keeper

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Asking the players to stop passing it into the net might help don’t you think?

Maybe they can watch it back on Monday and tell them.

Boot the ******* ball up the field!

[Stayingup]

Also what has been Benson's crime?
How has he offended VK so badly that he would bring on on Tresor in front of him when we need to score???

Absolutely and the front three today were dreadful.

[Pickles]

I’m really not sure he does enhance our play.

I think the midfield is considerably better now Cullen and Berge seem to have formed a relatively decent partnership.

Muric has made two of the biggest howlers in the league this season. Trafford is a better keeper but probably not good enough.

Maybe time to give the third keeper a chance.

I agree about the Cullen-Berge partnership, that is definitely a change from earlier in the season. The Cullen-Muric relationship can't be understated though. Muric finds Cullen much more effectively than Trafford did/does. Overall Muric gets us playing much faster and further forward than Trafford has. He's better at collecting high balls and he's at least as good a shot stopper.

It's a lot of opinion really isn't it but I think Muric is by far and away the best keeper at the club.

Can't defend his errors though, they've been hammer blows.

[KRBFC]

Putting anymore pressure on him isn’t going to help us at all.

Yet it’s absolutely fine to crucify Trafford all season long…..

[123EasyasBFC]

5 games with muric 1 defeat, 2 horrific mistakes
28 games with Trafford 20 defeats, hasn’t made mistakes to the level that muric has but his physical weaknesses have 100% made us concede goals.

I would 100% keep Muric in the side.

The mistakes at the back all season have cost us goals, equally our lack of cutting edge is equally to blame

[Burnley1989]

He should never have been brought back today proved he is not the answer.

I wanted him back but certainly never jumped on Trafford. I always felt he wasnt the answer, you can’t be so clumsy at this level against top sides and he’s very hit and miss.

CBA with the debate though, some get far too emotional about it

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

That’s why you play Cork in the Muric role in front of the back four so any mistakes can be rectified by a full defence.

[Stayingup]

I've kept faith with VK during this awful season and he has brought in some decent players. Esteve for example. But today selecting that front three and not bringing Benson on when Foster playing out wide and totally unsuited to it I have lost faith. Tresor???

[Foshiznik]

So many literally abused Trafford and now defend Muric. It’s hypocrisy at its absolute finest.

However, they are both Burnley players so it’s about time we all support whoever is in goal.

[bumba]

Definitely stays in, two costly indefensible errors but his return to the team has put us on the best run of form this season plus he's made some massive saves.
Anybody saying Muric has cost us premier league football is on the wind up despite these two errors they are not the reason we are going down, bad decision after bad decision, bad, tactics, bad systems, bad substitutions, costly misses are all more to blame.

[123EasyasBFC]

So many literally abused Trafford and now defend Muric. It’s hypocrisy at its absolute finest.

However, they are both Burnley players so it’s about time we all support whoever is in goal.

Perhaps it’s the money splashed on Trafford for him to not be good enough and that’s not his fault he doesn’t decide what he’s worth

[Guller Bull]

Yet it’s absolutely fine to crucify Trafford all season long…..

Who are you talking about here?

The vast majority supported Trafford till i was well past healthy for him?
Most recognised that he was a young keeper with massive potential however his lack of authority was costing us dearly.
Some didn't

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Yet it’s absolutely fine to crucify Trafford all season long…..

Muric has been a lot better than Trafford already and won us more points in fewer games.

Anyone clamouring for Trafford back in needs their head examining.

I didn’t see you get hysterical when Trafford was making all his errors.

[kentonclaret]

5 games with muric 1 defeat, 2 horrific mistakes
28 games with Trafford 20 defeats, hasn’t made mistakes to the level that muric has but his physical weaknesses have 100% made us concede goals.

I would 100% keep Muric in the side.

The mistakes at the back all season have cost us goals, equally our lack of cutting edge is equally to blame

How many defeats for Trafford in that sample against top 7 sides and how many for Muric?

[kentonclaret]

Muric has been a lot better than Trafford already and won us more points in fewer games.

Anyone clamouring for Trafford back in needs their head examining.

Yet to play in goal against a top 7 side so ridiculous comparison.

[Foshiznik]

Who are you talking about here?

The vast majority supported Trafford till i was well past healthy for him?
Most recognised that he was a young keeper with massive potential however his lack of authority was costing us dearly.
Some didn't

Most? That’s clearly untrue. I’d say more than half of this messageboard slated him and a good 10/15% were at abusive levels in their criticism. You can mostly identify the latter posters now as they are those deflecting from Murics mistakes. It’s actually been surprising how many have accepted that the mistakes can’t be defended.

[CoolClaret]

Bellers had a wonderful interview here after the game and directly addresses Muric's performance today and since his time at the club.

https://youtu.be/PZIcYtiwx80?si=l-WkmZerCleMeHe3

Great words - wish some on here could understand what he's trying to get at... Also interesting the glowing character reference he gave about Muric.

[CoolClaret]

Yet to play in goal against a top 7 side so ridiculous comparison.

Our season isn't defined by results against the top 7 though - it's by teams in the bottom half.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I thought Muric was the man of the match

[Foshiznik]

Our season isn't defined by results against the top 7 though - it's by teams in the bottom half.

It’s defined by 38 games and the key points in those games. Can’t change those goalposts to support a view.

[gandhisflipflop]

To describe today as a howler is being kind. I wouldn’t expect that at Sunday league.

[123EasyasBFC]

How many defeats for Trafford in that sample against top 7 sides and how many for Muric?

Muric hasn’t played current top 7 side yet but point against Chelsea away isn’t a bad result.

Trafford 7 defeats against bottom half clubs and 13 against top half clubs

[bobinho]

Muric is the problem? Nope.
Trafford is the problem? Nope.

Plenty of problems about us at the moment, and to be honest, the goalkeeper position is the least of them.

Foster was quite obviously not at the races today, and by a spectacular distance. Shame, because when he’s on it, he’s a menace to anyone.

How benson merits so much time on his jacksy is bewildering, when those on the pitch in and around his position are offering so little.

Not much left to hang onto this season, other than the faint hope that bastards go down and Leeds stay down.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Best thing to do leave him in and you at least have a decent sample to judge him against Trafford . We’d have been down already with Trafford keeping his place.

At least we will know next time we get promoted that he can’t hack it at the top level if he continues to make errors.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Is Vigouroux any good , has anyone seen him play?

[123EasyasBFC]

Yet to play in goal against a top 7 side so ridiculous comparison.

One of the main reasons people said muric wasn’t starting was because he had only done it against championship clubs.

He comes into the side and performances and results are instantly better and the goalposts change to ‘Muric needs to do it against top 7 clubs’

We wouldn’t of conceded first 2 goals away at arsenal or first goal away at Liverpool had Muric been in goal

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Muric is the problem? Nope.
Trafford is the problem? Nope.

Plenty of problems about us at the moment, and to be honest, the goalkeeper position is the least of them.

Foster was quite obviously not at the races today, and by a spectacular distance. Shame, because when he’s on it, he’s a menace to anyone.

How benson merits so much time on his jacksy is bewildering, when those on the pitch in and around his position are offering so little.

Not much left to hang onto this season, other than the faint hope that bastards go down and Leeds stay down.

Why is he still playing him right wing when we have an excellent right winger on the bench, seems absolutely mindless.

[CoolClaret]

It’s defined by 38 games and the key points in those games. Can’t change those goalposts to support a view.

It is defined by 38 games - you are correct.

He's played in just 5 of the 33 games we've played, had 2 poor mistakes yes, yet 3 other extremely good performances.

[boatshed bill]

Is Vigouroux any good , has anyone seen him play?

Perhaps, if we are relegated before the end of the season, we'll get to find out.

[Casper2]

Right I'm off then you boring prick

Be interesting to see if you are banned for this comment, I got a week

[Newcastleclaret93]

Muric has been a lot better than Trafford already and won us more points in fewer games.

Anyone clamouring for Trafford back in needs their head examining.

I didn’t see you get hysterical when Trafford was making all his errors.

Tbf I would argue he has actually personally lost us more points that he has contributed.

He’s clearly not suitable for premier league football (not saying Trafford is either)

[Foshiznik]

For what it’s worth, I would keep Muric in. As much as I don’t think there is much between the two keepers in terms of ability, I do think it’s only fair to let him try and right the wrongs on the last two games.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

One of the main reasons people said muric wasn’t starting was because he had only done it against championship clubs.

He comes into the side and performances and results are instantly better and the goalposts change to ‘Muric needs to do it against top 7 clubs’

We wouldn’t of conceded first 2 goals away at arsenal or first goal away at Liverpool had Muric been in goal

I noticed Fofana missed another sitter today in front of the goal.

[boatshed bill]

He’s clearly not suitable for premier league football (not saying Trafford is either)

Concentration is an issue.
It will be interesting to see if players lose confidence in passing back to AR. If they do then one of his best attributes won't be any use.

[123EasyasBFC]

Tbf I would argue he has actually personally lost us more points that he has contributed.

He’s clearly not suitable for premier league football (not saying Trafford is either)

Say think his mistakes have cost us 3 points

Then his goal line clearance at home to Brentford gained us 2 points and his save against ait-nouri saved us 1 point that puts it equal. Didn’t he make 11 saves against Chelsea, I’m sure when Trafford made similar amount at Brighton away people said Trafford saved the point for us so by the same argument muric saved a point at Chelsea so that would mean he’s contributed to 4 points

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Tbf I would argue he has actually personally lost us more points that he has contributed.

He’s clearly not suitable for premier league football (not saying Trafford is either)

Should have started season with Muric and dropped him around Christmas if he was crap. VK has got it arse backwards and we are where we are now. Made some good saves made two howlers let’s see how he goes on from here.

[boatshed bill]

I thought Muric was the man of the match

Nah, Verbruggen was

[123EasyasBFC]

I noticed Fofana missed another sitter today in front of the goal.

He did but don’t know what that has to do with the muric Trafford debate