So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?

[123EasyasBFC]

I’m devastated after today, as a big Muric fan. Really feel for him.

I really believe ordinary people (us) cannot make this decision. It is too hard.

Muric has star dust. Like few keepers I have ever seen. But he has brain fades. I suspect he took his eye off the ball to look at the players. A Sunday League error. Trafford will be like Pope, solid, unspectacular, great at stopping goals.

We have to sell one. But City kicked out Hart for not playing the way City need to play. Trafford is similar. Muric had a stinker at Bramall Lane last season (I was on the front row next to the post). Keep him in, show loyalty, banish the demons both from this week or two, and Bramall Lane. Could be the best decision.

You was in the home end at bramall lane last season? 4 of the 5 goals went in at the end where the home fans are

[Vegas Claret]

Ability with the ball is not going to dictate the career. All round keeping ability will.

Muric is good with his feet but his all round play is knowhere near premier league level. His temperament is so erratic it’s unreal, this will massively hinder his career prospects.

Serious question do you honestly believe Muric will end up playing top league football?

Under 21s euros is a big career achievement I’m not sure why you wouldn’t include it? England have only won it 3 times in history.

Ederson 30 years old
Allison 31 years old

there's a reason the two most successful teams have two experienced older heads - same reason Arsenal signed Raya to replace Ramsdale who is the same age as Muric. At 25 years old Nick Pope was on our bench until Heaton's injury.

I suspect our two are some of the youngest in the league - it's not that they are or aren't good enough, in the grand scheme they just don't have anywhere near enough experience required for this level (and that includes mentality imho) - that's on the club not the players. To write a keeper off at their ages is pure madness.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ederson 30 years old
Allison 31 years old

there's a reason the two most successful teams have two experienced older heads - same reason Arsenal signed Raya to replace Ramsdale who is the same age as Muric. At 25 years old Nick Pope was on our bench until Heaton's injury.

I suspect our two are some of the youngest in the league - it's not that they are or aren't good enough, in the grand scheme they just don't have anywhere near enough experience required for this level (and that includes mentality imho) - that's on the club not the players. To write a keeper off at their ages is pure madness.

Not sure why you have just named two of the best keepers on the planet haha. They are literally perfect all round keepers.

Comparing them to Muric is like comparing Ronaldo to Foster.

[123EasyasBFC]

Muric is the most erratic keeper I have ever seen for us. He’s a disaster just waiting to happen. Good keepers just don’t make mistakes as regular as he does.

Winning the U21s has given Trafford a better career so far. Muric is already playing catch up. Look at this way, he’s four years younger has already won a prestigious trophy and played nearly a full season of premier league football.

How is he erratic compared to Trafford, for 28 games Trafford was a disaster and in his first prem season has been dropped for not being good enough.

Don’t get me wrong Trafford will go on to be a good keeper but I think the ability muric has means he will still go on to play in top leagues continuously and play champions league football for a team in germany for example.

Out of curiosity have you made your mind up yet who’s better out of benson, zaroury and Clarke?

[123EasyasBFC]

Not sure why you have just named two of the best keepers on the planet haha. They are literally perfect all round keepers.

Comparing them to Muric is like comparing Ronaldo to Foster.

They aren’t perfect keepers, they are the best 2 in the league but Allison during his Liverpool career has had some howlers

[Newcastleclaret93]

How is he erratic compared to Trafford, for 28 games Trafford was a disaster and in his first prem season has been dropped for not being good enough.

Don’t get me wrong Trafford will go on to be a good keeper but I think the ability muric has means he will still go on to play in top leagues continuously and play champions league football for a team in germany for example.

Out of curiosity have you made your mind up yet who’s better out of benson, zaroury and Clarke?

The bottom question is completely pointless as our manager hasn’t given either a chance.

I’m personally of the opinion neither are great at the moment, (defo not top level). But I suspect Trafford will go on to have a better career. He’s already ahead of Muric.

I’m pretty certain neither will end up playing regular champions league football unless at some crap team like Celtic.

[Vegas Claret]

Not sure why you have just named two of the best keepers on the planet haha. They are literally perfect all round keepers.

Comparing them to Muric is like comparing Ronaldo to Foster.

what were they doing at 25 which was the point. Jesus man how the **** did that go over your head ?

[123EasyasBFC]

The bottom question is completely pointless as our manager hasn’t given either a chance.

I’m personally of the opinion neither are great at the moment, (defo not top level). But I suspect Trafford will go on to have a better career. He’s already ahead of Muric.

I’m pretty certain neither will end up playing regular champions league football unless at some crap team like Celtic.

At the end of the season there’s not a single premier league club that would consider signing any of our keepers as a number 2 but if they had to muric would be signed over Trafford

[THEWELLERNUT70]

They aren’t perfect keepers, they are the best 2 in the league but Allison during his Liverpool career has had some howlers

Alisson threw two in in one game recently, doesn't stop him being very highly rated though

[CoolClaret]

Not sure why you have just named two of the best keepers on the planet haha. They are literally perfect all round keepers.

Comparing them to Muric is like comparing Ronaldo to Foster.

Actually in the clip/youtube vid link I sent in reply to 'Big Vinny K' the first clip shows Alison making a ginormous blunder in his first season in the PL for Liverpool at the age of........ 25

Also shows an, imo, worse error from World Cup winning captain Hugo Loris.

[boatshed bill]

I’m personally of the opinion neither are great at the moment, (defo not top level). But I suspect Trafford will go on to have a better career. He’s already ahead of Muric.

I’m pretty certain neither will end up playing regular champions league football unless at some crap team like Celtic.

For once I agree with you. But both will play international football (Muric, of course, already does), and do you honestly believe a club the size of Burnley FC. can expect to field CL standard goalkeepers?

[Newcastleclaret93]

what were they doing at 25 which was the point. Jesus man how the **** did that go over your head ?

At 25 Alisson had 1 year of premier league football. 1 years of seria A football and 2 seasons of champions league football. 2 international tournaments with Brazil.

Ederson had a premier league winners medal, 2 seasons of champions league football, a title with benfica and featured in two international tournaments with Brazil.

So again no idea how that compares to Muric at 25. Who’s biggest achievement was not winning the golden glove in a championship winning season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

For once I agree with you. But both will play international football (Muric, of course, already does), and do you honestly believe a club the size of Burnley FC. can expect to field CL standard goalkeepers?

Our last keeper played CL this season?

[boatshed bill]

At 25 Alisson had 1 year of premier league football. 1 years of seria A football and 2 seasons of champions league football. 2 international tournaments with Brazil.

Ederson had a premier league winners medal, 2 seasons of champions league football, a title with benfica and featured in two international tournaments with Brazil.

So again no idea how that compares to Muric at 25. Who’s biggest achievement was not winning the golden glove in a championship winning season.

Who won it?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Actually in the clip/youtube vid link I sent in reply to 'Big Vinny K' the first clip shows Alison making a ginormous blunder in his first season in the PL for Liverpool at the age of........ 25

Also shows an, imo, worse error from World Cup winning captain Hugo Loris.

Yep keepers make mistakes. Good keepers don’t make howlers on a regular basis. Muric is good for 5-6 bowlers at least a season. I mean he’s had 2 in what 5 games?

[123EasyasBFC]

Yep keepers make mistakes. Good keepers don’t make howlers on a regular basis. Muric is good for 5-6 bowlers at least a season. I mean he’s had 2 in what 5 games?

Name the 5-6 howlers he made last season?

[boatshed bill]

Our last keeper played CL this season?

But not for us. I'm saying "can we expect"?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who won it?

Who won what?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Name the 5-6 howlers he made last season?

Honestly would take too long to go through his howlers last season.

[boatshed bill]

Who won what?

The Golden Glove, of course

[Newcastleclaret93]

The Golden Glove, of course

Ben Wilson

[CoolClaret]

Here's the real question Newcastle'Claret'93...

Why do you only post on here either after a loss, or after there's an obvious moment to try and troll on?

Is it because... you are indeed a troll? Like, why bother?

[deanothedino]

I’m devastated after today, as a big Muric fan. Really feel for him.

I really believe ordinary people (us) cannot make this decision. It is too hard.

Muric has star dust. Like few keepers I have ever seen. But he has brain fades. I suspect he took his eye off the ball to look at the players. A Sunday League error. Trafford will be like Pope, solid, unspectacular, great at stopping goals.

We have to sell one. But City kicked out Hart for not playing the way City need to play. Trafford is similar. Muric had a stinker at Bramall Lane last season (I was on the front row next to the post). Keep him in, show loyalty, banish the demons both from this week or two, and Bramall Lane. Could be the best decision.

“Trafford is similar”

That City inserted a buy back clause for him and not for Muric. Who do they rate higher I wonder…

[123EasyasBFC]

Honestly would take too long to go through his howlers last season.

Muric made 2 mistakes last season, Blackpool at home and you were quick to say the Trafford and brownhill incident at palace away was brownhills fault so the Blackpool at home last season is Cullens fault and then Watford at home when we was subbed at half time, they are the only 2 mistakes that lead to goals in 41 games

You don’t half make things up

[boatshed bill]

Ben Wilson

Who did he play for? Is it for the most clean sheets? Seriously, I don't follow awards very closely.

[123EasyasBFC]

Ben Wilson

Muric conceded less goals than Ben Wilson though

[Newcastleclaret93]

Here's the real question Newcastle'Claret'93...

Why do you only post on here either after a loss, or after there's an obvious moment to try and troll on?

Is it because... you are indeed a troll? Like, why bother?

I’ve been posting on this board and then the previous board for over 14 years.

You’re probably only noticing it because guess what we lose pretty much every week. You probably haven’t noticed but we didn’t actually lose today.

Can I ask, when you were ripping Trafford a new one every single week why is that not trolling? But when I query some stupid posts about Muric I’m considered a troll haha

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who did he play for? Is it for the most clean sheets? Seriously, I don't follow awards very closely.

It’s for the most clean sheets.

Ben Wilson won with Coventry. He was also the championship keeper of the season last year.

[CrosspoolClarets]

You was in the home end at bramall lane last season? 4 of the 5 goals went in at the end where the home fans are

They did, but the bulk of the trouble started in that first half when their guy was bombing those long throws in on him. Two or three reached the far post and Muric was flailing at them. We went in ahead if I recall correctly, with Benson unplayable, but the damage was done and they then exploited that lack of confidence in the second half.

[123EasyasBFC]

“Trafford is similar”

That City inserted a buy back clause for him and not for Muric. Who do they rate higher I wonder…

A clause they are never going to pay, if they rated a home grown keeper that high they would not be letting him leave

[123EasyasBFC]

They did, but the bulk of the trouble started in that first half when their guy was bombing those long throws in on him. Two or three reached the far post and Muric was flailing at them. We went in ahead if I recall correctly, with Benson unplayable, but the damage was done and they then exploited that lack of confidence in the second half.

From my memory muric made 2 good saves from headers and the static defending led to the follow ups going in

[Darthlaw]

How is he erratic compared to Trafford, for 28 games Trafford was a disaster and in his first prem season has been dropped for not being good enough.

Given Aro’s two massive mistakes in five games (possibly ranked #1 & #2 in clangers this season) I would suggest pointing the finger at Trafford as a disaster is somewhat misplaced.

I argued for so long this season that changing the GK wouldn’t make a difference to losing so many games, but I didn’t expect Muric to so directly contribute to costing us points the way he has, particularly given he’s had the best chance with a relatively settled defence.

[CoolClaret]

It’s for the most clean sheets.

Ben Wilson won with Coventry. He was also the championship keeper of the season last year.

Who won the PFA champ keeper of the season? You know - the one voted by the players?

[boatshed bill]

From my memory muric made 2 good saves from headers and the static defending led to the follow ups going in

From memory Sheff Utd bullied our entire defence.
This season we totally outplayed them, let's hope we do it again.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who won the PFA champ keeper of the season? You know - the one voted by the players?

That’s a completely different award well done.

Ben Wilson won the official EFL championship goalkeeper of the season.

[123EasyasBFC]

Given Aro’s two massive mistakes in five games (possibly ranked #1 & #2 in clangers this season) I would suggest pointing the finger at Trafford as a disaster is somewhat misplaced.

I argued for so long this season that changing the GK wouldn’t make a difference to losing so many games, but I didn’t expect Muric to so directly contribute to costing us points the way he has, particularly given he’s had the best chance with a relatively settled defence.

Muric has made a difference to losing games, we have lost 1 in 5, the 5 before Muric came in we lost 4 in 5 and the 5 before that we lost 3 in 5, so 7 loses in the 10 before Muric came in 3 draws. 3 points in 10 games to 6 points in 5 games, so it’s clearly made a different it’s just come 28 games to late

[123EasyasBFC]

That’s a completely different award well done.

Ben Wilson won the official EFL championship goalkeeper of the season.

That’s factually wrong, he won the award for the most clean sheets that’s not goalkeeper of the year award

[Darthlaw]

Fair enough, he’s been a revelation.

All we need is an attack who score enough to nullify the ones Muric directly throws in (rather than ones tenously linked to Trafford) and we’ll be sound.

[123EasyasBFC]

Fair enough, he’s been a revelation.

All we need is an attack who score enough to nullify the ones Muric directly throws in and we’ll be sound.

Well yeah that would help, that Larsen miss is a shocker, not as bad as fofana against Brentford but up there, fofana another one today to

[Newcastleclaret93]

That’s factually wrong, he won the award for the most clean sheets that’s not goalkeeper of the year award

He won the golden glove and got into the official EFL championship team of the season as the goal keeper of the season.

[123EasyasBFC]

But he didn’t win any goalkeeper of the year award other than the golden glove.

Muric being picked by players and coaches would be the one as a keeper you would want to win

[ksrclaret]

LOL at you geeks still doing the Muric vs Trafford thing as if you’re all not completely and utterly entrenched in your views already.

Never let a good error go to waste.

[Darthlaw]

Well yeah that would help, that Larsen miss is a shocker, not as bad as fofana against Brentford but up there, fofana another one today to

The point remains (as it always has) that it’s not fair to level that Trafford has been a ‘disaster’ when our alternative has directly thrown two goals in in two games.

Be fair, neither have what it takes for us to be competitive in this league.

[vinrogue]

Any votes for dropping the 4 attacking players who failed again to score a goal despite umpty buckets of opportunities one against Everton would have been a draw, one today would have been a win…

[Tackler49]

Muric should keep his place because I don’t think Trafford will be able to cope with the physicality that Sheff Utd will bring next week, Wilder will have them really fired up for this match they will throw everything at us because a win would take them to one point behind us with a game in hand (man Utd ) and they could easily win that, that would leave us rock bottom. This match next week could end up being worse than playing City or Arsenal. Does anyone agree?

[123EasyasBFC]

The point remains (as it always has) that it’s not fair to level that Trafford has been a ‘disaster’ when our alternative has directly thrown two goals in in two games.

Be fair, neither have what it takes for us to be competitive in this league.

In my opinion we would of lost every one of the last 5 games with Trafford in goal, the Trafford experiment has been an absolute disaster and regardless of the last 2 games the first 3 games of muric in the side gave us hope and a chance of survival and had the correct keeper started the season then I think we would be in a different position. Other experiments have also backfired, like going all out attack for first few games, amdouni as a number 10 hasn’t worked. Playing pretty much every defender at left back other than our left back to start with and then the foster out wide issue. We are 33 games in and we haven’t had a single game where the best player in each position has started together

[CoolClaret]

Any votes for dropping the 4 attacking players who failed again to score a goal despite umpty buckets of opportunities one against Everton would have been a draw, one today would have been a win…

I was thinking this - is missing a sitter like Fofana & JBL did comparable with Muric's calamitous error?

One is certainly more catastrophic - that's for sure.

[Rileybobs]

Embarrassing thread. Let’s pick a side and relentlessly stick to it regardless of what actually plays out in front of you. Like a bunch of infants.

[evensteadiereddie]

The team has been stronger with Muric in it.
We'll need him next week against the pub side.

[RammyClaret61]

Surely he gets the same chances has Trafford, 28 games?