So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Stop feeding the troll lads.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Just saying if he scores that doubt Muric would be getting all the hate.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:16 pmHe did but don’t know what that has to do with the muric Trafford debate
JBL also guilty of same thing.
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Didn’t attend today but from what I’ve seen ( and that was a shocking howler) no you do not drop him. We play better as a team with him in. If he does something similar again it needs looking at. I don’t think he will in in the next few games. We know he’s good enough for the Championship too.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Oh right yeah, should have been 2 up at half time and potential penalty decision that I’ve not seen back yet but friend of mine said on replay if the ref gives a pen then VAR doesn’t overturn itSuperjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:17 pmJust saying if he scores that doubt Muric would be getting all the hate.
JBL also guilty of same thing.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
IMO Muric is the better 'keeper for the style Kompany wants to play He's also better at catching a high ball in traffic. Trafford may very well improve as he fills out and gains more confidence.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Watch the post match interview with Bellamy I just posted, his response is the correct one.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
“That is not his fault”Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:20 pmWatch the post match interview with Bellamy I just posted, his response is the correct one.
Turned off after I heard that rubbish
Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
I’m a Burnley fan, not a Muric or Trafford fan, I want the starting goalkeeper to play well. It doesn’t matter who it is, errors like that will be called out for what they are. If Trafford made the same errors, I’d react the same way, he just didn’t.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:56 pmMuric has been a lot better than Trafford already and won us more points in fewer games.
Anyone clamouring for Trafford back in needs their head examining.
I didn’t see you get hysterical when Trafford was making all his errors.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
of course you did, I wouldn't expect you to have the staying power to watch a couple minute interview given how quickly you throw your toys out of the pram 365 days of the yearNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:25 pm“That is not his fault”
Turned off after I heard that rubbish
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Do you agree that muric gained us 2 points against Brentford with his goal line clearance or are you going to ignore thatNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:25 pm“That is not his fault”
Turned off after I heard that rubbish
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
So you missed the bit where he said Trafford is back and fit for next week then?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:25 pm“That is not his fault”
Turned off after I heard that rubbish
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Indeed
From what I can remember they are level on two howlers each.
Lobbed from half way line and other one jumping into an attacker from cross.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
You honestly have the mental capacity and temperament of an 8 year old girl.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:28 pmTrolls lol you’re full of crap, you were quite happy to start thread after thread criticising Trafford for far less but you want to sweep clown goalkeeping under the rug because it’s Muric, you’d have been happy as pig sh!t if Trafford did that. Complete agenda driven hypocritical bs
Wrong and wrong and wrong.
I said it was a poor mistake, and reflected it in the ratings.
If I thought Traff would give us a better chance of winning I'd want him in the net - what is so hard to comprehend?
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Simple muric has 23 more games to go before there should even be a conversation about Trafford coming back in the side
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
His central point is accurate. You have agenda against Traffford and you couldn't wait to criticise him. You've campaigned against Trafford more than anyone on here.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:31 pmYou honestly have the mental capacity and temperament of an 8 year old girl.
Wrong and wrong and wrong.
I said it was a poor mistake, and reflected it in the ratings.
If I thought Traff would give us a better chance of winning I'd want him in the net - what is so hard to comprehend?
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Stole from X but this is brilliant
Think that will be the last game for Muric, he makes way too many saves, catches it too often and has a presence as a goalkeeper.
His good distribution, despite his risks and errors are the final straw for me.
Get Trafford back in so we can go down properly.
Think that will be the last game for Muric, he makes way too many saves, catches it too often and has a presence as a goalkeeper.
His good distribution, despite his risks and errors are the final straw for me.
Get Trafford back in so we can go down properly.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Bet Vinny is thinking of dropping Fofana and sticking him up front. Wouldn’t mind that actually.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:39 pmStole from X but this is brilliant
Think that will be the last game for Muric, he makes way too many saves, catches it too often and has a presence as a goalkeeper.
His good distribution, despite his risks and errors are the final straw for me.
Get Trafford back in so we can go down properly.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Lobbed from the half way lineSuperjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:31 pmIndeed
From what I can remember they are level on two howlers each.
Lobbed from half way line and other one jumping into an attacker from cross.
- he was correctly positioned for the way we play ( Muric does the same)
Jumping into the attacker
- yes it was a poor decision
They are different to two mistakes that come from over confidence in your ball playing abilities
Regardless, they are different keepers with different strengths - neither is good enough for the PL - the fault lies with VK
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
For the 10,000th time
My 'agenda' is wanting players to play that:
- Did nothing to be warranted being dropped in the first place
- Are suited for our play style to maximise our chances of winning games of football
Hence why I wanted Muric as I believed that he fit both of the above criteria.
Even after the howler today, I still believe that we have our best chance of winning with him in net.
If I see evidence otherwise then I will change my tune. It's that simple.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Too many people lost perspective on the Trafford/Muric issue a long time ago.
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Don't have a problem with wanting Muric back in. I did. You were relentless in your criticism of Trafford. Relentless. Your tone would've been far different had Trafford, or Traff, made the error that Muric made today.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:45 pmFor the 10,000th time
My 'agenda' is wanting players to play that:
- Did nothing to be warranted being dropped in the first place
- Are suited for our play style to maximise our chances of winning games of football
Hence why I wanted Muric as I believed that he fit both of the above criteria.
Even after the howler today, I still believe that we have our best chance of winning with him in net.
If I see evidence otherwise then I will change my tune. It's that simple.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
The one last week was kind of like a goalkeeper blunder when trying to do your play out from the back thing. This weeks blunder takes some watching in the same way that when a player picks up a really bad injury and you struggle to watch it. It's just painful beyond words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncIY0u5p78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncIY0u5p78
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
I find it crazy how 90% of this board is based on kompany decision making and selections and yet when he finally changes the keeper and we have our best run of results (all be it not much to shout about) people can’t understand how important muric isCoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:45 pmFor the 10,000th time
My 'agenda' is wanting players to play that:
- Did nothing to be warranted being dropped in the first place
- Are suited for our play style to maximise our chances of winning games of football
Hence why I wanted Muric as I believed that he fit both of the above criteria.
Even after the howler today, I still believe that we have our best chance of winning with him in net.
If I see evidence otherwise then I will change my tune. It's that simple.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Because I was frustrated watching us serve up that dross week in week out when I thought we had a bloke on the bench that would give us a better chance of winning a game?
I gave kudos to Traff for good performances - I just thought they were too few and far between.
Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
RubbishVegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:20 pmWatch the post match interview with Bellamy I just posted, his response is the correct one.
Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Isn’t that what he’s supposed to do123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:30 pmDo you agree that muric gained us 2 points against Brentford with his goal line clearance or are you going to ignore that
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
It really is this simple.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:49 pmI find it crazy how 90% of this board is based on kompany decision making and selections and yet when he finally changes the keeper and we have our best run of results (all be it not much to shout about) people can’t understand how important muric is
I blame social media/sky sports sort of hyper analysis of moments rather than the overall performance and IMO has lead people to almost be incapable to seeing the bigger picture and instead resorting to these sort of tit for tat bickering 'gotcha' moments.
It's boring and very predictable.
Of course, if Muric throws one in every single week and ends up being a net negative I'll be the first calling for Trafford/another goalie but until then I'll keep backing him.
Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
I wanted Muric to replace Trafford. I actually still think he’s the better all round goalkeeper - he had 2 outstanding games immediately after getting back in.
That being said, in the last two games Muric has made mistakes far worse than Trafford has all season.
I think Kompany will revert to Trafford after today’s howler, and you can’t really blame him if he does.
That being said, in the last two games Muric has made mistakes far worse than Trafford has all season.
I think Kompany will revert to Trafford after today’s howler, and you can’t really blame him if he does.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:34 pmSimple muric has 23 more games to go before there should even be a conversation about Trafford coming back in the side
So how many games did you give Peacock-Farrell or Norris?
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Whether he’s meant to do it or not, the fact he did it saved a goal so gained us 2 points.
‘Isn’t that what he’s supposed to do’ we had 28 games of posters going on and on about Trafford being a better shot stopper when making supposedly class saves, isn’t that what he’s supposed to do.
Muric made a save against Brentford that was nominated for save of the month and according to posters it’s a regulation save, had Trafford of saved that it would of been ‘that’s why ues in over muric’
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Norris doesn’t play for Burnley you bath bombboatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:57 pmSo how many games did you give Peacock-Farrell or Norris?
Agree peacock-Farrell has never had a chance he should still be number 2 behind muric
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What a pile of utter tosh, you mean Muric should be dropped because he’s made two awful amateur level mistakes that have cost us points.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:39 pmStole from X but this is brilliant
Think that will be the last game for Muric, he makes way too many saves, catches it too often and has a presence as a goalkeeper.
His good distribution, despite his risks and errors are the final straw for me.
Get Trafford back in so we can go down properly.
Mistakes so bad, you won’t see another like them all season unless Muric does it again.
Weird Burnley fans can’t accept they were harsh on Trafford after seeing how poor Muric is.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
That’s exactly what it would is. If everyone looked at the comparison in our tempo of play since muric has been in goal to the first 28 game games there is no comparison.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:54 pmIt really is this simple.
I blame social media/sky sports sort of hyper analysis of moments rather than the overall performance and IMO has lead people to almost be incapable to seeing the bigger picture and instead resorting to these sort of tit for tat bickering 'gotcha' moments.
It's boring and very predictable.
Of course, if Muric throws one in every single week and ends up being a net negative I'll be the first calling for Trafford/another goalie but until then I'll keep backing him.
It does fall on kompany for dropping the championship keeper of the season for a keeper who had a half decent season in league 1 and thinking it would work
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:59 pmNorris doesn’t play for Burnley you bath bomb
Agree peacock-Farrell has never had a chance he should still be number 2 behind muric
No need to be (vaguely) offensive... not that I care if you are.
But the point is that the number of games played doesn't necessarily define a player's ability.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
No way at all muric should he droppedKRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:00 pmWhat a pile of utter tosh, you mean Muric should be dropped because he’s made two awful amateur level mistakes that have cost us points.
Mistakes so bad, you won’t see another like them all season unless Muric does it again.
Weird Burnley fans can’t accept they were harsh on Trafford after seeing how poor Muric is.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
I hope some of you cope with life better than you do with football setbacks
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When Muric is on it I would agree, but howler aside, his distribution was crap today as well.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:01 pmThat’s exactly what it would is. If everyone looked at the comparison in our tempo of play since muric has been in goal to the first 28 game games there is no comparison.
It does fall on kompany for dropping the championship keeper of the season for a keeper who had a half decent season in league 1 and thinking it would work
He’s a proper Jekyll and Hyde footballer - up there with the best when he’s on form, but prone to the most ridiculous gaffes when he isn’t.
Frustrating.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Wouldn’t be surprised if Muric is droppedKRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:00 pmWhat a pile of utter tosh, you mean Muric should be dropped because he’s made two awful amateur level mistakes that have cost us points.
Mistakes so bad, you won’t see another like them all season unless Muric does it again.
Weird Burnley fans can’t accept they were harsh on Trafford after seeing how poor Muric is.
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https://x.com/juskeeprunnin/status/1779196497831116833KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:00 pmWhat a pile of utter tosh, you mean Muric should be dropped because he’s made two awful amateur level mistakes that have cost us points.
Mistakes so bad, you won’t see another like them all season unless Muric does it again.
Weird Burnley fans can’t accept they were harsh on Trafford after seeing how poor Muric is.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Based on Trafford had 28 games to show if he was up to the premier league so based on that muric should be given the same amount of games.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:01 pmNo need to be (vaguely) offensive... not that I care if you are.
But the point is that the number of games played doesn't necessarily define a player's ability.
Muric should have started the season and had the errors piled up and his passing stats dropped and the overall play dropped then Trafford comes in, you won’t ever see a team again get promoted to the premier league and drop their keeper who was in team of the year unless it’s a loan signing they don’t sign perm
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You also realise this “better run” we’ve been on has been against 0 sides in the top 6.
Muric has to be dropped, he’s nowhere near good enough, this leagues hard enough without having a keeper prone to an absolute clanger.
Like I said you won’t see another PL goalkeeper make those same 2 mistakes, it’s awful, like really awful.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:02 pmI hope some of you cope with life better than you do with football setbacks
Defeat at football when not capable of doing anything abot it is just about the ultimate frustration for many.
Often resulting in a huge loss of testosterone.
Please show some pity
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Traffords record against teams out of the top 6 18 games 14 pointsKRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:06 pmYou also realise this “better run” we’ve been on has been against 0 sides in the top 6.
Muric has to be dropped, he’s nowhere near good enough, this leagues hard enough without having a keeper prone to an absolute clanger.
Like I said you won’t see another PL goalkeeper make those same 2 mistakes, it’s awful, like really awful.
Muric record against teams out of the top 6 5 games 6 points
Sheffield uniteds keeper made the exact same ‘error’ as muric did against Everton so that’s another current prem keeper making the exact same mistake
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:05 pmBased on Trafford had 28 games to show if he was up to the premier league so based on that muric should be given the same amount of games.
Muric should have started the season and had the errors piled up and his passing stats dropped and the overall play dropped then Trafford comes in, you won’t ever see a team again get promoted to the premier league and drop their keeper who was in team of the year unless it’s a loan signing they don’t sign perm
You know, I totally agree that Muric should have started the season.
That's it, nothing else.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Please stop trying so hard to defend the indefensible. It looks very silly.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:10 pmTraffords record against teams out of the top 6 18 games 14 points
Muric record against teams out of the top 6 5 games 6 points
Sheffield uniteds keeper made the exact same ‘error’ as muric did against Everton so that’s another current prem keeper making the exact same mistake
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Didn’t Brighton concede a similar goal today to us last week?KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:00 pmWhat a pile of utter tosh, you mean Muric should be dropped because he’s made two awful amateur level mistakes that have cost us points.
Mistakes so bad, you won’t see another like them all season unless Muric does it again.
Weird Burnley fans can’t accept they were harsh on Trafford after seeing how poor Muric is.
Can’t excuse Murics mistake today though it is awful, both are as a consequence of the way we play although todays leans more towards lack of concentration.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Go on then, drop him so we can continue on the trajectory towards survival that we most definitely were not on before his return to the team.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:06 pmYou also realise this “better run” we’ve been on has been against 0 sides in the top 6.
Muric has to be dropped, he’s nowhere near good enough, this leagues hard enough without having a keeper prone to an absolute clanger.
Like I said you won’t see another PL goalkeeper make those same 2 mistakes, it’s awful, like really awful.
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Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
I have to say that as an ex goalkeeper I would expect to be dropped for the 2 errorsCoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:18 pmGo on then, drop him so we can continue on the trajectory towards survival that we most definitely were not on before his return to the team.