Why Vincent Kompany was sent off at Chelsea

[ClaretTony]

Can't see it anywhere else on the board but the FA have now released the written reasons for the charge. Basically, the info came from the fourth official James Bell.




James Bell, an assistant referee at Stamford Bridge for the March 30 game, lifted the lid on Kompany’s antics after England awarded Chelsea a penalty following a foul by Burnley’s Lorenz Assignon on Mykhailo Mudryk.

“Following the award of a penalty to Chelsea in the 40th minute the Burnley manager reacted angrily by moving out of his technical area throwing his arms aggressively and shouting at the referee [England],” Bell said.

“As the decision was being checked I attempted to use members of his own technical area staff to calm him down but Mr Kompany persisted to insult the referee by pointing towards him and calling him ‘a f------ cheat’ numerous times.

“Despite the attempts to calm him down Mr Kompany then entered the field of play, briefly, again gesturing towards the referee and shouting ‘you’re a f------ cheat’. I informed the referee that a Stage 2 [red card] sanction was required for the Burnley manager.

“As Darren came over to issue the red card Mr Kompany again said: ‘f------ cheat.’ After his sending off Mr Kompany remained in the technical area for some time causing a delay to the restart of the game before he eventually made his way down the tunnel.”

Kompany admitted his “language and/or behaviour” during the game “was improper and/or abusive and/or insulting towards a match official” as well as questioning the integrity of an official. The former Manchester City defender said he attended the hearing not “to justify his behaviour but to apologise personally.”

His solicitor had said the incident was out of character and that the “red mist had overtaken him” and Burnley also sent a letter in support of their manager citing the “intense pressure” of the club’s relegation battle.

[Goliath]

Why is this information being released but they can't release the audios of their own refs on VAR or even on the pitch.

[distortiondave]

Maybe, like most winners, he's a bad loser.
Maybe the pressures of management are different enough to make him snap.
Maybe the referees are so much worse now than when he was playing that in his mind the ref must be a cheat, lest he be utterly incompetent.
Maybe the referee is a cheat.

FWIW, I think his rant is because it's one of those events in a game where a Chelsea player bundling over a Burnley player is never going to be a penalty and (second) yellow card, and we all know that to be true. So rather than the ref wilfully 'cheating', he's displaying (massive) bias, and it's difficult to effectively argue that point in the aftermath of a penalty and red card away at Chelsea, so the word 'Cheat' comes out.

[Vegas Claret]

he said 'you ******* cheater'

Clear as day on the footage, they can't even get the statement correct

[Burnley1989]

Maybe, like most winners, he's a bad loser.
Maybe the pressures of management are different enough to make him snap.
Maybe the referees are so much worse now than when he was playing that in his mind the ref must be a cheat, lest he be utterly incompetent.
Maybe the referee is a cheat.

FWIW, I think his rant is because it's one of those events in a game where a Chelsea player bundling over a Burnley player is never going to be a penalty and (second) yellow card, and we all know that to be true. So rather than the ref wilfully 'cheating', he's displaying (massive) bias, and it's difficult to effectively argue that point in the aftermath of a penalty and red card away at Chelsea, so the word 'Cheat' comes out.

As much as I hate the fact it’s us, I’m glad that someone who will have spent his career at City on the right side of decisions can now see what it’s like to be at a small club and getting nothing.

[Herts Clarets]

Why is this information being released but they can't release the audios of their own refs on VAR or even on the pitch.

Because this audio completely absolves the match officials of any wrong doing, errors, impropriety or controversy and places all the blame and attention on the aggrieved Manager. It also deflects attention away from the real issue here, in that it was never a penalty or a red card offence and between the referee, his assistant, the fourth official and VAR they couldn't get that decision right.

[agreenwood]

It was reported shortly after the game that he called the ref a cheat.

[JohnMcGreal]

People's view on the state of officiating has now reached its natural conclusion thanks to VAR.

The benefit of doubt has now been removed, so when officials get things so badly wrong with all the replays, angles and assistants to review, the only conclusion people can draw is that they're corrupt.

This was always on the cards and fans have been saying it for years. It's interesting that club officials are now voicing the same concerns and accusing the officials of being cheats (Burnley and Forest most recently).

It's bad news for the PL. If they've any sense they'll roll back VAR and kick the PGMOL into touch. It's the richest league in the world and can afford to attract the best players. Maybe they should use their clout to attract the best officials from around the world as well.

[Hipper]

Because this audio completely absolves the match officials of any wrong doing, errors, impropriety or controversy and places all the blame and attention on the aggrieved Manager. It also deflects attention away from the real issue here, in that it was never a penalty or a red card offence and between the referee, his assistant, the fourth official and VAR they couldn't get that decision right.

The real issue in this case is VK's behaviour. There is no excuse.

[evensteadiereddie]

Of course there is.
The ineptitude or corruption that infests the Premier League needs addressing.

[Goliath]

The real issue in this case is VK's behaviour. There is no excuse.

Sure but it seems very strange that the FA have decided to to throw him to the Wolves. When has that never been standard procedure? Every manager in the league will have said some pretty terrible things at some point but it isn't usually released to the press.
If this is what they are going to do then there is no excuse for referee audio not to be released as well.

[daveisaclaret]

All written reasons for decisions after FA disciplinary hearings are released to the public.

It's not acceptable to accuse the ref of cheating. Hopefully lesson learned for VK and time to move on.

[Clovius Boofus]

As much as I hate the fact it’s us, I’m glad that someone who will have spent his career at City on the right side of decisions can now see what it’s like to be at a small club and getting nothing.

Well I'm not. At the end of the day, nothing whatsoever will change. I also don't get why one of our fans would be 'glad' that our club has been on the back end of some outrageous officiating, simply because our manager spent his playing career at a big club.

[bfcjg]

Regardless of the language the sentiment is spit on.

[Beagle]

Good on him.

[boatshed bill]

FWIW, I think his rant is because it's one of those events in a game where a Chelsea player bundling over a Burnley player is never going to be a penalty and (second) yellow card, and we all know that to be true. So rather than the ref wilfully 'cheating', he's displaying (massive) bias, and it's difficult to effectively argue that point in the aftermath of a penalty and red card away at Chelsea, so the word 'Cheat' comes out.

Letting bias influence decisions is cheating.

[agreenwood]

To be fair to VK, he did apologise and acknowledge he was wrong in more than one press conference.

[jedi_master]

Kompany accuses a match official of acting in a biased/corrupt manner and gets sanctioned, fined and banned from the touchline.

Let's see what Nottingham Forest get for doing exactly the same as an ENTITY rather than an individual acting alone.

[Clovius Boofus]

To be fair to VK, he did apologise and acknowledge he was wrong in more than one press conference.

We don't do 'fair' on here, even when it's one of our own.

[aggi]

Sure but it seems very strange that the FA have decided to to throw him to the Wolves. When has that never been standard procedure? Every manager in the league will have said some pretty terrible things at some point but it isn't usually released to the press.
If this is what they are going to do then there is no excuse for referee audio not to be released as well.

You can find all the written reasons here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... en-reasons

This is the Kompany one:
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/the ... -2024.ashx

Interesting paragraph here:
The Commission were directed to the Premier League Match Incidents report for Match Round 30. In respect of the 40th minute incident, the report noted the decision to award a penalty as being incorrect and a “clear and obvious error” and that the dismissal decision was also “incorrect”. The point proposed by VK’s solicitor was that because the decisions from the Match Referee appeared to be incorrect that went some way to explaining why VK felt so aggrieved and that his outbursts were then more explainable.

Unfortunately it seems the Premier League Match Incidents report doesn't get released to the public.

[agreenwood]

You can find all the written reasons here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... en-reasons

This is the Kompany one:
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/the ... -2024.ashx

Interesting paragraph here:
The Commission were directed to the Premier League Match Incidents report for Match Round 30. In respect of the 40th minute incident, the report noted the decision to award a penalty as being incorrect and a “clear and obvious error” and that the dismissal decision was also “incorrect”. The point proposed by VK’s solicitor was that because the decisions from the Match Referee appeared to be incorrect that went some way to explaining why VK felt so aggrieved and that his outbursts were then more explainable.

Unfortunately it seems the Premier League Match Incidents report doesn't get released to the public.

So they’ve admitted both the penalty award and sending off were incorrect?

Assignon still has to serve a ban as well. Absolute farce.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

You can find all the written reasons here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... en-reasons

This is the Kompany one:
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/the ... -2024.ashx

Interesting paragraph here:
The Commission were directed to the Premier League Match Incidents report for Match Round 30. In respect of the 40th minute incident, the report noted the decision to award a penalty as being incorrect and a “clear and obvious error” and that the dismissal decision was also “incorrect”. The point proposed by VK’s solicitor was that because the decisions from the Match Referee appeared to be incorrect that went some way to explaining why VK felt so aggrieved and that his outbursts were then more explainable.

Unfortunately it seems the Premier League Match Incidents report doesn't get released to the public.

Great post.

Really poor that the PL hides things from us. It seems all they care about is protecting referees and everyone else has to just suck it up.

[IanMcL]

The happenings against Burnley, this season, in particular, clearly demonstrate a pre-determined 'ideal outcome' by the prem, for its own profitability.

It is always reflected in VAR outcomes when toenails and end of nose or an elbow are enough to rule out a 'lesser' team goal, after about half an hour of stopping the footage at that exact place, for wanted outcome.

Coventry latest example.

When a player kicking the ball, from many yards away moves his leg and the foot touches the ball, there is a great deal of lateral available, for the video to be stopped, before the ball is moved. That can mean a huge movement at the other end of the pitch.

There should be no grey in the decision making. VAR is just another string to the prem/FA bow, to ensure wanted outcomes.

[Juan Tanamera]

You can find all the written reasons here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... en-reasons

This is the Kompany one:
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/the ... -2024.ashx

Interesting paragraph here:
The Commission were directed to the Premier League Match Incidents report for Match Round 30. In respect of the 40th minute incident, the report noted the decision to award a penalty as being incorrect and a “clear and obvious error” and that the dismissal decision was also “incorrect”. The point proposed by VK’s solicitor was that because the decisions from the Match Referee appeared to be incorrect that went some way to explaining why VK felt so aggrieved and that his outbursts were then more explainable.

Unfortunately it seems the Premier League Match Incidents report doesn't get released to the public.

Great find Aggie.
What a shame that in their haste to release a statement regarding Vinny's punishment, they didn't find it within themselves to release what punishment, if any, was handed out to Darren England and whoever was on VAR for this particular game

[Herts Clarets]

You can find all the written reasons here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... en-reasons

This is the Kompany one:
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/the ... -2024.ashx

Interesting paragraph here:
The Commission were directed to the Premier League Match Incidents report for Match Round 30. In respect of the 40th minute incident, the report noted the decision to award a penalty as being incorrect and a “clear and obvious error” and that the dismissal decision was also “incorrect”. The point proposed by VK’s solicitor was that because the decisions from the Match Referee appeared to be incorrect that went some way to explaining why VK felt so aggrieved and that his outbursts were then more explainable.

Unfortunately it seems the Premier League Match Incidents report doesn't get released to the public.

And is this not more or less what I said? Release the details of a Manager who has transgressed and completely ignore the fact that the penalty decision and red card decision that prompted the reaction from our Manager were incorrect. No action taken against the on field referee or the VAR official who with the benefit of multiple camera angles, replays, freeze frames, zoom in and out and all other tools at their disposal managed to come to the same incorrect decision as the on field official.

[FCBurnley]

Why is it such a big crime to call somebody a cheat or even an effing cheat when they are !!!!