Next Manager

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:29 am

Dyche has took us as far as he possibly can, I think we now need a change of approach and the players need a lift and taught to be brave on the ball. No time for sentiment in football I'm afraid, if we want to become a PL club we need a manager (potentially) capable at PL level which we clearly haven't got.
My choice:

Paolo Di Canio, Paolo wouldn't stand for this car crash, fantastic at Swindon and did very well at Sunderland keeping them up from a very difficult situation. A man who demands respect and was wrongly sacked.

Other possibilities: Steve Bruce, David Wagner, Alex Neil.

Not a list of superstars but Di Canio and Bruce have both kept sides up. Wagner is unproven so who knows if he's good enough. Neil done very well with Norwich, relegated yes but incredibly close and Im sure he'll learn from that

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:32 am

I thought those managers you mentioned wouldn't get us playing the sort of football you want to see KRBFC - with the exception of David Wagner.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:36 am

Are you being serious?

Even if Dyche has taken us as far as he can, it IMO is a division higher than 99% of other managers would!

Is style isn't pretty, but just like Sam Allardyce, be careful what you wish for.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:38 am

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:I thought those managers you mentioned wouldn't get us playing the sort of football you want to see KRBFC - with the exception of David Wagner.

I don't expect us to dominate sides like Barca, I just want to watch us try and pass the ball and create chances. Under Coyle we went at teams, you felt we were going to score even if we lost, id rather see us have a go and lose rather than park the bus and lose. Ambition to win is all I want

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:42 am

MACCA wrote:Are you being serious?

Even if Dyche has taken us as far as he can, it IMO is a division higher than 99% of other managers would!

Is style isn't pretty, but just like Sam Allardyce, be careful what you wish for.

The thing is, the football is dire to watch even when the results are flowing, when the results disappear, questions are asked. I don't for a second believe Dyche performed a miracle last season, we were newly relegated and 2nd favourites for the title before a ball was kicked.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:44 am

I thought you'd want someone who has managed Swansea under Jenkins, successfully playing that lovely passing game, Paulo Souza had a spell there, currently at Fiorentina, would he fit the bill? Would we be patient enough to give a manager enough time to change our footballing philosophy?

Peter_Nobles_Wig · Post by **Peter_Nobles_Wig** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:51 am

MACCA wrote:Are you being serious?

Even if Dyche has taken us as far as he can, it IMO is a division higher than 99% of other managers would!

Is style isn't pretty, but just like Sam Allardyce, be careful what you wish for.

Exactly! I do hope Sean doesn't read this stuff.

You are NOT being serious, surely!

CumbrianClaret · Post by **CumbrianClaret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:52 am

Jeez - more from the empty vessel . Paolo Di Canio ? Give me strength .

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:55 am

CumbrianClaret wrote:Jeez - more from the empty vessel . Paolo Di Canio ? Give me strength .

When was the last time you watched a Burnley game live?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:57 am

KRBFC wrote:When was the last time you watched a Burnley game live?

What's that got to do with his view about Di Canio?

CumbrianClaret · Post by **CumbrianClaret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:03 am

1982 according to you ! Keep up .

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:07 am

Di Canio?

As in the Facist ?

That would improve the image of the club.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:08 am

I think Di Canio would ruin the club, cause complete chaos.
Alex Neil would be OK, and Bruce is OK but both are probably yo-yo managers like we've already got.
Need to try to get Les Reed in - a brilliant recruiter of Managers

frankinwales · Post by **frankinwales** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:09 am

WOW...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep calm and support Burnley F.C.............

Up the Clarets............

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:18 am

For my this is a theoretical conversation, no need for people to over-react to a conversation about a theoretical scenario.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:19 am

Didn't Southampton sack Adkins after he'd led them to back to back promotions, worked well for them. It worked for Newcastle when they sacked Houghton too. If we want to become a PL club for more than a season then we need to react, if it isn't working out then change it before its to late and we are ultimately relegated. Some managers are very good at getting out of the Championship but clueless when they reach the PL, its not unusual to see.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:20 am

'Dyche has taken us as far as he can'

Absolute comedy gold.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:24 am

KRBRFC, I've noticed before that you struggle with the basic difference between 'too' and 'to' - a very uninteresting and trivial point but in keeping with the spirit of your thread.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:27 am

The sentence that it is impossible to write.

There are three kinds of t(w)o(o).

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:27 am

KRBFC wrote:My choice:

Paolo Di Canio, Paolo wouldn't stand for this car crash, fantastic at Swindon and did very well at Sunderland keeping them up from a very difficult situation. A man who demands respect and was wrongly sacked.

Heaven help us

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:29 am

Braindead wrote:'Dyche has taken us as far as he can'

Absolute comedy gold.

Tell me how he hasn't? 1 point from Hull and Swansea at home. He's completely out of his depth at this level he lacks any clear gameplan. Yesterdays formation/tactics/gameplan confirmed that, Gray as a lone front man but long balls forward, it was never going to work.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:32 am

ClaretTony wrote:Heaven help us

He kept Sunderland up?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:36 am

It's not about a new manager, it's about us needing to address some issues that we have and predominantly, that is making more use of the ball and seeing possession as a positive.

Unless you have the personnel to work our current approach of getting the ball forward quickly (which we don't in this league) we need to re-think a little. I didn't see yesterday's game but it doesn't strike me as a surprise that we faded in the second half if we've had to work so hard in the first - we can bang on about the bloody annoying 'Dyche fit' but we would need 11 Mo Farahs to keep up to a pressing approach where we are so often chasing the ball, for 90 minutes.

We have to use possession more wisely and that means being better with some of the basics and not lumping it forward. No we don't have Pep and his multi million squad but we can still aim to make the ball do more of the work and in turn make the opposition do more work.

I don't think it's right to just say that we are playing against much better players, part of the issue is how we ourselves are playing. I'm certainly not in the camp of changing manager, Dyche has more credits than putting £20 in a 2p slot machine but he does need to adapt our approach and shouldn't be above criticism. Percentages are often talked about but we seem to be playing a low percentage chance game with the get it up front quick approach.

Hopefully we will improve as players bed in and adapt to our system but again it's more weight behind getting more signings in earlier - notwithstanding the difficulties of that.

The ball is in Dyches court to get some improvement sorted and show he has learned from last time.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:36 am

He's like ablueclaret with a sledgehammer.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:38 am

Half a dozen posters need a red card from this forum for constantly launching negative threads and most pessimistic views. You make viewing the forum an unenjoyable experience.

We have a terrific manager. With several recent team are still learning to play together. What worries me is idiots like the OP will no doubt start calling for Dyche out from the terraces. Doing so will demoralise the players and falsely give the manager and board the idea that we want Sean to move on....we don't!

The trouble with you are you have no backbone, no strong chin. You have never organised anything in your life except perhaps a team on a computer game.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:38 am

I'm an advocate of yours KRBFC, but please give the Di Canio suggestion a rest.
Bruce and Neil OK suggestions if Sean does indeed lose the dressing room, but are still poor PL/Good Championship managers, I thought we were after an upgrade. What about Patrick Vieira?

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:47 am

Not for a second would I want Dyche to go but I just have an uneasy feeling that this could be his last season with us whatever happens over the next 8 months or so.

If, we do end up going down, will he want to have to do it all again with Burnley if a 'bigger' Championship club comes calling?

If he keeps us up and another lower end PL club with more resources makes him an offer, same question.

Hope not but just a feeling this could happen and we'll just have to cross that bridge if we come to it-either way much too early to be thinking about a new manager 5 games into the season, especially as we're not even bottom 3 having played Liverpool, Chelsea and the current PL champions!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:49 am

VC, I think there's a good chance your uneasy feeling will turn out to be correct.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:49 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Half a dozen posters need a red card from this forum for constantly launching negative threads and most pessimistic views. You make viewing the forum an unenjoyable experience.

We have a terrific manager. With several recent team are still learning to play together. What worries me is idiots like the OP will no doubt start calling for Dyche out from the terraces. Doing so will demoralise the players and falsely give the manager and board the idea that we want Sean to move on....we don't!

The trouble with you are you have no backbone, no strong chin. You have never organised anything in your life except perhaps a team on a computer game.

I should be banned because you disagree with my opinion? Then what on earth is the point of the forum...
I support the team no matter what while we're playing. What has my football managerial CV got to do with anything, I'm not putting forward my name for the job. If your view is "you're not a manager/player so you aren't allowed an opinion on a football player/manager" well then fair enough but its a stupid view to have and it would also work both ways right? So your opinion of "we have a brilliant manager" would also hold zero weight because you aren't a manager either.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:53 am

'Taken us as far as he can'

Charlton fans were saying the same about Alan Curbishley when they were mid-table in the Prem.

Sean Dyche has taken Burnley as far, if not further than ANY manager could.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:53 am

There's one thing having an opinion and another thing being a blatant troll who litters this message board with inane bellendery of the highest order. Your approach is the latter but that's because you're not a Burnley supporter.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:54 am

I don't think LCP was suggesting banning posters who share a different opinion to him. I think he was suggesting banning posters who effectively spam the forum with endless waves of negative threads. Not even well thought out negative threads; just a tirade of mindless, numb, uneducated waffle. It's impossible to ignore because it probably accounts for about 25% of the content of the message board, and he's certainly not the only one who thinks that this forum is a much less enjoyable place to browse because of it.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:55 am

While i appreciate the ambition, one which we all share, some posters are clearly demonstrating a complete lack of perspective of where we are as a club in our development. I would suggest that the quick fix proposals on threads such as this are no substitute for the implementation of the long term plan for the success of this club at the top end of the football league.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:55 am

Make it happen

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:56 am

I thought the job of fans was to be fans, whatever their disposition - fans get things of their chest, they spout nonsense, because most of them are laypeople, they are not particularly impartial in their viewpoint, but they fulfil the role of a fan perfectly. KRBFC is doing his job as a fan of Burnley football club as are those who disagree with his views, It's a shame that there is name calling on both sides, but there you are.

Let's play nicely.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:58 am

Dicanio would be a disaster for Burnley.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:58 am

Rileybobs wrote:I don't think LCP was suggesting banning posters who share a different opinion to him. I think he was suggesting banning posters who effectively spam the forum with endless waves of negative threads. Not even well thought out negative threads; just a tirade of mindless, numb, uneducated waffle. It's impossible to ignore because it probably accounts for about 25% of the content of the message board, and he's certainly not the only one who thinks that this forum is a much less enjoyable place to browse because of it.

The reason most people left the old site was because of annoying adverts and pop up ads making it difficult to browse, read and use.

Now we have pop up throbbers on here who are achieving the same thing.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:59 am

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:I thought the job of fans was to be fans, whatever their disposition - fans get things of their chest, they spout nonsense, because most of them are laypeople, they are not particularly impartial in their viewpoint, but they fulfil the role of a fan perfectly. KRBFC is doing his job as a fan of Burnley football club as are those who disagree with his views, It's a shame that there is name calling on both sides, but there you are.

Let's play nicely.

See Rileybobs' post. Very naive if you can't see it.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:59 am

Di Canio is a narcissist - Anyone wanting anything to do with a narcissist is in for a nasty surprise.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I don't think LCP was suggesting banning posters who share a different opinion to him. I think he was suggesting banning posters who effectively spam the forum with endless waves of negative threads. Not even well thought out negative threads; just a tirade of mindless, numb, uneducated waffle. It's impossible to ignore because it probably accounts for about 25% of the content of the message board, and he's certainly not the only one who thinks that this forum is a much less enjoyable place to browse because of it.

One thing I do however is provide reasoning and explanation to my opinion. I'm not just posting "f*** off Dyche" maybe you think Dyche looks like a comfortable PL manager, just because I see it differently it doesn't make me any less of a fan of BFC.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:02 pm

I've seen nothing to suggest Dyche has lost the dressing room.

What does worry me though is that with very few exceptions managers seem to have a 'shelf-life' at a club, and once that runs out the manager's message - no matter how well he articulates it, no matter how much the players buy into it - can hit the law of diminishing returns. There's only so many times you can defend well, keep a team out while not creating a lot yourself, concede a soft goal, realise you don't really have enough to force your way back into the game and play out a dispiriting defeat, before it starts to get to you.

The problem we have is that we're so wedded to an inflexible framework. I can almost hear the usual suspects logging on to post variations on "23 undefeated" and "League Champions" but that was last season in a very different League; all the evidence so far suggests that it doesn't work at this level.

What worries me more is that I'm not sure exactly what we're trying to achieve. Sitting deep and hitting teams on the counter could work, but not with the players we've got. Physical pace and speed of thought are crucial for that, we don't have anything like enough of either. We're a very predictable, very prosaic team with very little about us to surprise or hurt Premier League sides.

Not much we can do about that now of course; Dyche is going to have to either perm the players he's got within his beloved 4-4-2 and hope he finds a winning combination, or see if there's a more effective formation in there that suits. Hopefully quickly enough for January's transfer window to see us realistically looking to strengthen for a genuine tilt at avoiding relegation and not a battle to stop our better players bailing out from a lost cause.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:06 pm

Yes it's true that KRBFC is going overboard, but he is a genuine fan of Burnley, and he is a fourth or fifth generation of a Burnley supporting family I believe. The fact that he seems to loathe Sean Dyche and everything he represents is probably contributing to the excessive number of posts relating to our tactics/The weak points of Sean Dyche....

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:14 pm

KRBFC wrote:He kept Sunderland up?

Three wins in his time at Sunderland, a totally disrupted dressing room. I for one would hope we would never, ever go near him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:17 pm

I want to be proud of watching my team play, win lose or draw. The current negative approach doesn't fill me with pride, I understand we will lose games but lets at least lose with pride and go down fighting. Another poster brought up Old Trafford last time, we lost yes but we didn't lie down and roll over. A proud game regardless of the result.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:20 pm

If you're suggesting Di Canio I'm surprised you haven't suggested Poyet too, just for added laughs.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:24 pm

IMO, Sean Dyche is the best manager that we've had in two generations.

We lose to the current Champions of the Premier League and to Chelsea, who will be challenging for the title this season, and trolls roll out garbage like the current thread.

Grow a pair and stop trolling around like a big girl's blouse!

And, none of your threats of violence either

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:27 pm

I'm not convinced by some of the apologists on here...open your eyes.
There are people trolling this site..it is pretty clear who they are.
98% negativity and then an attempt to get some cover by sticking threads up like..

'Your favourite promotion..'

Do not be fooled.
These people are spreading poison..they barely have a positive thing to say about the club they say they are a supporter of.

Why are they tolerated?
I have no problem with negative comments from Burnley fans - that's what free speech means.
These people have a different agenda though...one of them is obvious, several are likely.

Please boot Saxo down the road..he is not funny, interesting, informed or bright and he is just here to cause trouble.

**I am not normally in favour of censorship, and in general I have no problem with fans of other clubs coming on here.

CumbrianClaret · Post by **CumbrianClaret** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:29 pm

No KRBFC - you shouldn't be banned for having an opinion . The way you put your opinion forward leaves a lot to be desired though . You abuse anyone who doesn't agree with you or alternatively you call them an idiot , not to mention the lies you tell and the bad language you use and in general when you're struggling to answer a question from someone or when asked to prove a point you just revert to smileys . You also deliberately wind people up presumably because you get some sort of kick out of it .

If your brains were made of dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your own hat off .

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:32 pm

CumbrianClaret wrote:No KRBFC - you shouldn't be banned for having an opinion . The way you put your opinion forward leaves a lot to be desired though . You abuse anyone who doesn't agree with you or alternatively you call them an idiot , not to mention the lies you tell and the bad language you use and in general when you're struggling to answer a question from someone or when asked to prove a point you just revert to smileys . You also deliberately wind people up presumably because you get some sort of kick out of it .

If your brains were made of dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your own hat off .

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:33 pm

CumbrianClaret wrote:It's a complete waste of time responding to KRBFC.