Relegation

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:57 am

I would bet my mortgage on us avoiding relegation.
Dyche will get it right,it may well be ugly at times,but we will survive the drop.
There are at least 3 teams worse than us,and i can't see that changing any time soon.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:01 am

I can see it changing in January when some of those teams go and chuck some more money around, coupled with managerial changes at possibly Sunderland, Hull and Boro just to name 3.

Just to clarify, we need our transfer business done early in January to give ourselves a proper chance, no dicking around waiting until deadline day, even if we have to pay that little bit more.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:13 am

The next 7 games will give a good gauge of where we are at.

HOME
Everton
Palace
M City
Bournemouth

AWAY
Man Utd
West Brom
Stoke

A couple of games both home and away where we can get some wins on the board.
9 points shouldn't be too much to ask, and should be the minimum expectation with maybe a unexpected point or 3 in there.

Would set us up for a decent/winnable set of home games and the transfer window.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:44 am

Based on our non performance at Southampton I think we will be lucky to get 2 points out of that lot.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:04 am

Then base it on the performances against Liverpool, Watford and Arsenal, and you might think we can get slightly more than 2.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:09 am

If the players had that attitude then they would be no point in playing for any points lets throw the towel in now shall we
On a personal note I think we can take 12 points from them game's and that would be my realistic target any more than that my attitude would be a its a bonus, what about that Blackrod.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:24 am

Cannot realistically see us getting anywhere near 12 points. Think it would be a hell of a feat.
Everton - Challenging for Europe DRAW, Palace comfortable mid table side (close) WIN, City LOSS, B'mouth (mid table) DRAW
Man U LOSS, West Brom (would hope no t expect) WIN, Stoke (are starting to get their act together now, will end upper mid table) LOSS

I make that 8 points, and a few of those points rely on us really being at it. Anything more than 8 is def over what we've shown so far for me.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:33 am

bartons baggage wrote:I would bet my mortgage on us avoiding relegation.
Dyche will get it right,it may well be ugly at times,but we will survive the drop.
There are at least 3 teams worse than us,and i can't see that changing any time soon.

If you want to bet thee mortgage cockle, thy can get 6/4 odds. If it's a £100k house you have you can be living in a £150k house next season.

Jobs a good un.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:33 am

Well that return still keeps the momentum going for a point a game mentality but we need more than that and that is what I would be targeting-
It's not impossible and this football club as surprised me time and time again over the years we need to aim higher if not we will be caught short of the required level.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:42 am

Blackrod wrote:Based on our non performance at Southampton I think we will be lucky to get 2 points out of that lot.

Southampton were very good,and we were no where near our best.
Iv'e seen enough from us this season to suggest we will be playing in the premier next season.
This is only an opinion though.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:45 am

10 more wins and we are safe. I fancy us at home against anyone from 8th down.

We could lose pretty much all our away games ( which we won't )

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:24 am

[quote="MACCA"] I fancy us at home against anyone from 8th down.

There can't be many teams in all four leagues that could say that.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:37 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:If you want to bet thee mortgage cockle, thy can get 6/4 odds. If it's a £100k house you have you can be living in a £150k house next season.

Jobs a good un.

Actually would be a £250k house

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:53 am

Down_Rover wrote:Actually would be a £250k house

Alright clever clogs.

But you don't know how much he has paid off his mortgage so ner.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:59 am

We are a couple of injuries short of disaster. We are better than Hull and that is nothing to be proud about, their club is in turmoil.

We are on a par with Boro. Sunderland will be ok, once they get over their injuries. Unless we spend big in January we are nailed on to go back down with Hull and Boro.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:01 am

One game at a time.

We stank the place out at Southampton but Dyche has proved time and again that he can get something out of the side come the next game. 3 points against Everton isn't totally impossible that's for sure.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:26 am

MACCA wrote:The next 7 games will give a good gauge of where we are at.

HOME
Everton
Palace
M City
Bournemouth

AWAY
Man Utd
West Brom
Stoke

A couple of games both home and away where we can get some wins on the board.
9 points shouldn't be too much to ask, and should be the minimum expectation with maybe a unexpected point or 3 in there.

Would set us up for a decent/winnable set of home games and the transfer window.

Unfortunately all those Clubs will be looking for a maximum return against us and I don't see any of their Managers losing much sleep, Man City being the only game we won last time around.
21 points would be nice though

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:30 am

JohnMac wrote:Unfortunately all those Clubs will be looking for a maximum return against us and I don't see any of their Managers losing much sleep, Man City being the only game we won last time around.
21 points would be nice though

Sadly Stoke didnt get the result reversed on appeal so the 3 points stayed with us.

Also Bournemouth wasn't in our league then either.

But other than that, your spot on..

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:56 am

Depends what mood the refs in......

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:10 pm

JohnMac wrote:Unfortunately all those Clubs will be looking for a maximum return against us and I don't see any of their Managers losing much sleep, Man City being the only game we won last time around.
21 points would be nice though

Well can we just play the teams who want less than 3 points?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:25 pm

Bloody hell , I forgot about Ings double, I was with the Grandkids at Blackpool Zoo

Bournmouth I know were Championship but last time we played it was draw/draw.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:40 pm

I'd certainly take a repeat of the last results against those sides. 7 points would be a good return but 9 has to be the aim.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:55 pm

I remember thinking we might get something out of Everton last time we came up.

They ended up handing us our arses without breaking much of a sweat.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:03 pm

Yes with Eto'o having his best gene of the season if I recall correctly.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:09 pm

If we can get 9 points from those 7 games I'll be delighted. Very hard to predict how we'll go at this stage mind. There's a five games there that to some extent or another you'd say we'd be targeting points from. Bearing in mind the run of away games in February, you'd say we need to get at least a respectable return from those 5 games.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:15 pm

claretspice wrote:If we can get 9 points from those 7 games I'll be delighted. Very hard to predict how we'll go at this stage mind. There's a five games there that to some extent or another you'd say we'd be targeting points from. Bearing in mind the run of away games in February, you'd say we need to get at least a respectable return from those 5 games.

3 in the bag,lets see how many more we can get.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:19 pm

Given your prediction last season BB I wouldn't bet against you!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:23 pm

Already 8 points above Sunderland.

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:30 pm

Said it before and I'll say it again, we look a lot less naive than two years ago.

Fingers crossed our better players (get = Defour) stay fit.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:33 pm

I don't think we'll concede many goals at home. That means we'll be in most games, even against the better teams as this season's results have already proven. Hopefully we can get our away system to click and we've got a decent chance of avoiding the drop. In fact, if we can maintain our home form then we won't need to pick up any points away from home, that's highly unlikely though.

bfcmartin · Post by **bfcmartin** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:39 pm

It's a tough league but its interesting to note as it stands we've played six of the top nine and that will be seven after next week so all in all i think we have done better than anyone would have ever expected us to do UTC

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:47 pm

Sunderland already look in real trouble - last season they appointed Big Sam under similar circumstances and he performed a minor miracle primarily by getting a huge return out of Defoe. Moyes really doesn't look equipped to repeat that, regardless of getting injured players back.

Hull are getting into one of those downward spirals it's difficult to reverse - a little like us from January 2010 onwards.

There's really not a lot to choose between the likes of ourselves, Swansea, West Brom and Boro. maybe a couple of others, in terms of ability to take points off each other.

Our defensive record at TM is key, score at home and we've always got a chance. Of the three seasons we've been in the PL this is the best equipped we've been.In 13/14 both West Brom and Palace made season changing managerial appointments which steered them away from danger. Don't think the calibre of manager to pull that off will be available to this season's strugglers.

Agree with Barton's Baggage on this.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:56 pm

Blackrod wrote:Based on our non performance at Southampton I think we will be lucky to get 2 points out of that lot.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:01 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Given your prediction last season BB I wouldn't bet against you!

Just came to say the same. His prediction of not losing a game in January was epic.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:46 pm

Longsidebovril wrote:Just came to say the same. His prediction of not losing a game in January was epic.

i'm going to better it now,we will not lose a game in june.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:51 pm

My Mackem mate is already resigned to them going down.

Fans are losing patience with Moyes and he isn't motivating the players nor inspiring confidence in the fans.

Lot of mumblings up there that Ellis Short is considering reappointing Sam

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:52 pm

I see that the certainties to get relegated are still above the other two promoted clubs.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:54 pm

Enola Gay wrote:I remember thinking we might get something out of Everton last time we came up.

They ended up handing us our arses without breaking much of a sweat.

Bump

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:26 am

Ha ha we are a different animal now,i mean how many Burnley players had gloves on,i counted 1 that was Tom.
We are good enough to beat the drop,no doubt about it.
Burnley are staying in the prem.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:44 am

Come January we're going to struggle to keep hold of Keane it would appear. However, if we continue to take a point a game and sit lower mid-table then we can be more confident about keeping the other players likely to make the difference. Tom no doubt will attract interest but confident he'll stay. As long as we're stable with a couple of additions going into February think we'll use the experience from last time to see us through.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:23 am

I remember starting a thread a few weeks ago in which people could post a 'yes' or 'no' as to our survival status. It was overwhelmingly 'yes'.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:10 am

To have any chance of survival we need to find a formation that suits us away from home

ian · Post by **ian** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:16 am

10-6-4 should do it.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:37 am

In 14/15 we probably would have lost that game yesterday as Everton would have gone on and won the game after equalising. It shows how far we have come when 3 of our previous starting lineup are unavailable and we get a result still. This season we are harder to create lots of good chances against and Heaton is a better keeper too.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:33 pm

bartons baggage wrote:I would bet my mortgage on us avoiding relegation.
Dyche will get it right,it may well be ugly at times,but we will survive the drop.
There are at least 3 teams worse than us,and i can't see that changing any time soon.

After your biblically epic prediction in January when you stated that we wouldn't get beaten for the rest of the season, I'll believe you mate!

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:41 am

MACCA wrote:The next 7 games will give a good gauge of where we are at.

HOME
Everton
Palace
M City
Bournemouth

AWAY
Man Utd
West Brom
Stoke

A couple of games both home and away where we can get some wins on the board.
9 points shouldn't be too much to ask, and should be the minimum expectation with maybe a unexpected point or 3 in there.

Would set us up for a decent/winnable set of home games and the transfer window.

You can strike two off that list,4 points off Everton and Utd is an amazing achievement

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:50 am

A win next weekend would make it a monumental three games. I like the look of Palace as an attacking threat, but defensively they were all over the place yesterday.

Come on you Clarets!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:15 am

bartons baggage wrote:You can strike two off that list,4 points off Everton and Utd is an amazing achievement

Blackrod will be over the moon.

We must have been extremely lucky to get double his points prediction in 2 games rather than the 7 on offer.

1 more win would be a good return from that mini run of fixtures, but now it's not impossible to be 10+ points better off come the end.
I'll not move the goal posts though, 9 has to be the target.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:23 am

10 plus is more than possible,i think the most optimistic of fans had a 1 point return from the Everton/Utd fixtures

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:55 pm

Got a good feeling about tonight,another 3 points headed our way.
BELIEVE.
Well i jinxed that.