Where the season may go wrong.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by bartons baggage » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:28 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:How many accounts is ablueclaret running on this board ? The other two nutters have kept their heads down after their, ahem, difficulties and, sure enough, he pops up.... :?
Yeah KRBFC the aggressive troll,whilst his alter ego ABC is a passive troll , then there is a combination of the two who's name escapes me but he's the idiotic troll.
However they all make me laugh. :D
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:32 pm

I was also saying that when we played 4-5-1 against Watford on paper it looked pretty defensive, particularly for a home game and before kick off I wasn't too happy. BUT as so often happens, SD had the last laugh and we were more than comfortable winners that night. We need more of the same against the teams outside the top 5 and we'll be fine.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Spijed » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:34 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I do agree Spijed. I've been at all the games (except Soton), including the Liverpool one and we restricted them to barely any presentable chances it's true, although in other matches it really has been seat of the pants stuff. What I was trying to say is I'll be far more concerned if we end up giving 75% possession and find ourselves defending for our lives against the teams we really need to take points from such as Palace.
Yes, Palace is one where we need to be more assertive.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:08 pm

A passive troll sounds very friendly.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:32 pm

ablueclaret wrote:A point against United is very worthy but we cannot rely on our defence getting us out of trouble time after time, .
Hi ablue, perhaps someone else has already made this point - but I've only skim read.

Did you miss that we conceded 3 in each of our first 3 away games? Great that Tom Heaton and the defence got us out of trouble at OT.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by KRBFC » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:08 am

You raise a good point Ablue, don't let these boring clappers tell you otherwise. Anyone who raises a different opinion is considered a troll. I'd rather be a troll than a sheep baaaa baaaa baaa :lol: Biased sheep is all I see

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:19 am

Sidney1st wrote:Personally I don't but you're both Doom and Gloom on here with your predictions / hopes/ expectations.
disagree, there is a constant overreactionary rebuke for anyone who offers an opinion that is contrary to the popular view.

How can you call this basic point of view as "Doom and Gloom" it is not that in any shape or form. You're wrong sid, way off the mark.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:32 am

The Palace game will tell us an awful lot

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:57 am

The incredible point against united has quite rightly been praised by many on here, Heatons performance alone was worthy of tens of pages of posts.
Staggeringly brilliant display.
The point the op makes though is valid, its about the contentious issue of appropriate formation. We play home and away, our successes have been wonderful at home, united away represents a solitary point, previously we have conceded a few 3's.
This topic is simply asking what is likely to work for us. My God, there's nothing controversial on a messageboard about Burnley to be slagged off for with that question surely !!

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Ightenclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:03 am

A mid season geomagnetic reversal could make things interesting....

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:24 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:disagree, there is a constant overreactionary rebuke for anyone who offers an opinion that is contrary to the popular view.

How can you call this basic point of view as "Doom and Gloom" it is not that in any shape or form. You're wrong sid, way off the mark.
I'm not way off the mark, but if it makes you feel better to say so....

Abc has done their usual trick that's all.
Make a valid point, mix it in with their prediction that Dyche will go back to an old formation permanently, tell us where its all going wrong and usually inform us it will end in relegation because they didn't listen to abc....

Take note that abc doesn't appear after a win, only loses or draws at a push.

Abc is also happier when things go wrong so they can then point out or drag up that they're a super football manager and were correct.
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Firthy » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:49 am

While I agree the OP's post is a bit dramatic, why slag him off. He's entitled to his opinion and by all means disagree with him. I know it's ABC but he's entitled to his opinion as much as anyone, he's just a negative person but the discussion should be about what he posted and not him. It would be a boring forum if we all thought the same and all the threads ended up as love ins :)

Anyway, getting back to his point. I can see where he's coming from and feel we do need a couple of players with flair/pace so we can put pressure on other teams but it's nowhere near as bad as he makes it sound.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ArmchairDetective » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:51 am

ablueclaret wrote:The return of Gray has seen the return of 4-4-2 the system we just aren't able to compete with at this level, we just don't have the midfield personnel to get away with it. 4-5-1 it has to be with the clever use of subs.
I actually thought that the athleticism of Gray up top relieved the pressure on midfield at certain stages of the game. He can (and did) carry the ball forward 10/20 yards once or twice to win us a corner/throw in. We actually created one or two chances against United as opposed to diddely squat against S'ton or Leicester. Funny how we can all watch the same game but have different views.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Leisure » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:13 am

Leisure wrote:Could you elaborate on just what SD's 'comfort zone' is?
Ablue - Still awaiting your response!!!
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:55 am

SD rarely does thinking outside the box, he is the perfect advocate of the consistent planned operation where every player knows his function and is prepared to give his all in the cause. He is not at ease with change and adventure because they can upset the well oiled machine. I happen to believe he has the ability to become more expansive and on the odd occasion he has tried things out has been quite successful but he reverts to type just as soon as he can.
Until he develops a more proactive method he will for me be a very good manager, but to become a great one which I think him capable of being he needs to enable his players to produce the system not impose the system on them.Flexibility and adaptability are the signs of a great manager.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Leisure » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:06 am

ablueclaret wrote: he needs to enable his players to produce the system not impose the system on them..
So how will this actually work? Instead of players playing to a predetermined plan does each player just do what he fancies?

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:13 am

No he adapts his method to accommodate players to make the absolute best of his squad, to change things about so that the opposition is always guessing or playing catch up, a formidable ask with a limited squad but the way I'd like to see him go even if it was unsuccessful.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by claretandy » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:19 am

Defour is back fit, so a big decision to be made, we are at home so would like to see

Heaton

lowts keane mee flanno

jeff dean defour johann

vokes gray

Ward is out, hendrick narrow on the right with gray dropping on the right when we are out of possession.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by gtclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:24 am

Despite all the negative replies to ABC.He is just repeating the same opinions as SD,who has said more or less the same thing in recent interviews
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by JTClaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:27 am

Yeah, we definitely won't win the league when our defending is our best asset.

...wait, what? He's talking about relegation? Why?

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:27 am

Claretandy that is a formation I've thought could be adaptable although I fancy we won't see it.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:30 am

The season going wrong doesn't necessarily imply relegation it means a lack of progression, this league is not that strong, and sticking to the plan might still mean we scrape through but from my perspective we won't have progressed into a potentially successful Premier League outfit which we could do.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by JTClaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:40 am

I'd be quite happy sitting mid to bottom half of the Premier League for a couple of years yet. Even scraping it, or being lucky.
It may go wrong, but it may not, and at the moment, it's not

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Dyched » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:41 am

Surviving would be fantastic progression. Thats the aim first and foremost. He get enough points on the board by March/April we move the target. Like in the way Ranieri was doing all last season with Leicester.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:46 am

If you don't progress you go backwards, this is the great opportunity. You cannot afford to become stale or sterile in this division, you need to keep sides guessing.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:49 am

We shouldn't be thinking of survival we can do better than that. With the best defence in the division we can afford to be bold.
If we don't make mid table I'll be very disappointed.
Top 10 is what we should be aiming for.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by No Ney Never » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:51 am

Allerdyce started off at Bolton with a defensive framework which was successful at gaining promotion and then retaining a place in the top flight. He then built on this to add a more offensive nature to their play as he brought the players in who could execute his strategy.
Tony Pullis has never yet been relegated. He builds his teams around a solid defensive framework first.
Sean Dyche continues to build Burnley, with far fewer resources than the two aforementioned had available to them, starting with a solid defensive framework. The current defensive setup is the best I've ever known in my time as a Claret, can't wait to see how we progress as the new signings improve their fitness and adapt to this league. If we have managed to achieve what we have with a midfield in transition, I am more than confident that there is enough in our squad to achieve the goal of surviving relegation this season.
We're off to a good start but always seem to get better as the seasons progress due to us continually bringing players in late and the time required for them to adapt. I'm excited for what is to come over the next twenty odd games.
Sean Dyche won't get it right every time, the bloke is only human and still learning, but he'll manage well enough this season for us to still be a premier league club by the start of the next season.
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by claretdom » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:52 am

I know we all like to think well of our side ablue but I reckon :-

Cech

Bellerin Mustafi Koscielny Gibbs


Might just slightly have the edge on ours

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by bartons baggage » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:01 am

ablueclaret wrote:A passive troll sounds very friendly.
Oh i don't doubt for a minute your'e not a nice chap blue,you take a few kicking's on here and still come back for more,and i admire that. :)

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:12 am

ablueclaret wrote:We shouldn't be thinking of survival we can do better than that. With the best defence in the division we can afford to be bold.
If we don't make mid table I'll be very disappointed.
Top 10 is what we should be aiming for.
Top 10?

90% of Burnley fans would take 17th place right now.

Top 10 is something to build towards.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by JTClaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:29 am

Top 10?
I'll go back to one game at a time.

If I find us pushing for top 10 I'll enjoy that too.
But I won't be getting disappointed if we only just survive.

I feel like I'm biting, but if I'm honest, I like the way it makes me feel optimistic :-) UTC

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:48 am

There are so many reasons why the season could "go wrong"

Frightening isn't it?


But there are as many reasons why it could go right. Enjoy it for whatever it brings!

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:57 pm

SD's greatest achievement has been to build this defence, even if he was blind to its possibilities for some time. In the end obstinacy gave way to pragmatism.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by dsr » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:03 am

ablueclaret wrote:The season going wrong doesn't necessarily imply relegation it means a lack of progression, this league is not that strong, and sticking to the plan might still mean we scrape through but from my perspective we won't have progressed into a potentially successful Premier League outfit which we could do.
So you don't think that staying up would be a good thing in itself? I'd have thought that financially it would be progress. You don't agree?

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Leisure » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:16 pm

ablueclaret wrote:No he adapts his method to accommodate players to make the absolute best of his squad, to change things about so that the opposition is always guessing or playing catch up, a formidable ask with a limited squad but the way I'd like to see him go even if it was unsuccessful.
So for the sake of change you'd rather he do so even if it was unsuccessful? Really!

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:12 pm

I like the new SD.
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ontario claret » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:56 pm

blueclaret living up to his name again.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:06 pm

I wondered who created this thread. I should have known. Why do we have to have negative threads? Just enjoy the result. I'm sure any Burnley fan would have given there right arm to be 9th at this point in the season.

Yes, some things will go wrong but our team must be growing in confidence. We're a third of the way through the season. One or two new signings to come during the transfer period.

Have faith. We are going to stay up. No more negative threads. Look to the good. Apply that attitude in our own lives as well.
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:59 pm

You won't find anyone more positive than me when we get it right. Aim high.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by jordsclarets » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:11 pm

ablueclaret wrote:You won't find anyone more positive than me when we get it right. Aim high.
Aim to get to Turf Moor now and again
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Leisure » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:18 pm

ablueclaret wrote:You won't find anyone more positive than me when we get it right. Aim high.
Yes but you could also try to support the team when things aren't going well!
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by jurek » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:46 pm

Although I think abc may have a point in respect to Dyche creating probably the best defence
we've had for a long time albeit stumbling on it presumably referring to the eventual pairing of Mee and Keane
in central defence.

it may be interesting to see what the response would be if the title of the post
was/had been 'Where the season may go right' rather than where it may go wrong.

So, I'll start off:
I'm looking forward rather than stating the more obvious - what we've already achieved to date.

If we can continue our home form and manage to get close to 30 points - ie another 5/6 wins
then we'll be in with more than a good chance of staying up. That, for me, would be more than acceptable.

If we can manage to get in one or two in January who will help maintain and/or improve both the team
and its' performances.

If the fans continue to get right behind the team (especially if some heads drop so to speak) and more
so at the Turf to help make it into a fortress then that could make a significant difference too.

If SD can continue to have possibilities open to him to play either 4-5-1, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 (even during a game)
I think that could be a big plus too. We need to be able to bring on players who can create/score a goal if needed.
Arguably like today.

If any 2 or 3 of these 'go right' during the course of the season then we'll be doing more than well, me thinks.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Ightenclaret » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:50 pm

jordsclarets wrote:Aim to get to Turf Moor now and again
And not via police escort.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:36 am

Season so far:

Home Form, 13 points from 7 games, 1.857ppg x 19 = 35.286 points.
Away Form, 1 point from 4 games, 0.25ppg x 19 = 4.75 points.

Grand Total 40 points = survival!

If we can improve and get more points away from home = job surely done? :lol: :lol:

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:45 am

The average number of points to stay up is 38.4. So for arguments sake, 1 point per game. Therefore a reasonable benchmark is to compare how many points we have vs how many games we've played. We've got 14 points from 11 games so at the moment, we're doing fine and have a bit of a cushion where we can afford to drop some points.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ontario claret » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:45 pm

Frank, you're making it sound like 'dropping points' is an inevitability. I disagree. Our trend is upwards.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by ablueclaret » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:43 pm

It hasn't but our defence is the main reason for that, and 4-4-2 away from home, give me strength.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:46 pm

No need to give you anything, we've survived pretty much, be happy for once in your life with what Burnley have done.

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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by FulledgeClaret » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:55 pm

Come on Sidney1st You know that's not going to happen.
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Re: Where the season may go wrong.

Post by lovebeingaclaret » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:02 pm

Sidney, you are asking someone who has created the nick "a blue claret" to be happy? ????

Ok his other nicks may not be as dismal but I think ablueclaret says everything about this personality.

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