Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
Clarets4me
Posts: 4948
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:31 pm
Been Liked: 2307 times
Has Liked: 1033 times
Location: Ightenhill,Burnley

Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Clarets4me » Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm

An Exclusive reported on-line on the " Independent's " website ....

" The Football Association and the Football League have backed a proposal from The National Association of Football Statisticians to downgrade the first 22 years of the FA Cup, to the equivilant of the FA Amateur Cup which commenced in 1893-94, and ran until the 1973-74 season.

The years affected run from 1872 to 1893, and the winners of the Cup for those years will not be permitted to claim these successes as FA Cup wins on their official Club websites or publications. Explaining the reasoning, N.A.F.S. Secretary, Dr John Hickson said " Any objective analysis of the early years of the " FA Cup " reveals a large number of " byes ", " walkovers " and hugely one-sided results, and in the modern age, we no longer feel it appropriate that these early incarnations of the greatest Club knockout Cup should be classed as true F.A. Cup Competitions ". He added, " The dominance of Public School Old Boys and Military Clubs in the early years, as well as mis-matches with the early Professional Clubs coming up against "true amateur " sides, does not sit well in the modern professional age ".

An FA spokesman endorsed the decision, which is expected to be passed unopposed at next month's FA Council meeting, where the renaming of the Football Association, as the " English Football Association " is also expected to gain approval .

Some of the affected downgrading concern Clubs no longer in existance, such as Wanderers, Royal Engineers and Clapton Rovers. David Singleton, West Bromwich Albion's head of media relations said, " We accept this decision with some reluctance, but understand the reasoning behind it " . West Bromwich Albion will no longer be able to claim their 1888 & 1892 victories on their official " Roll of Honour" .

Aston Villa, Wolverhampton Wanderers and Preston North End are also affected losing one victory each, but the Club most affected is Championship side Blackburn Rovers who will have 5 of their FA Cup wins effectively deleted from the history books. No one at Blackburn Rovers was available for comment, although a source inside the Club said " they were studying the implications of the decision closely, and a statement is expected to be issued in due course ".
This user liked this post: thomaspaine

Buxtonclaret
Posts: 16618
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 3749 times
Has Liked: 7520 times
Location: Derbyshire

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed May 08, 2019 7:15 pm

This is going to put the price of chicken wings down, isn't it!
This user liked this post: Juan Tanamera

mdd2
Posts: 6012
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:47 pm
Been Liked: 1665 times
Has Liked: 700 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by mdd2 » Wed May 08, 2019 7:24 pm

Barmy bloody barmy. That's like the made good lad from the workhouse denying his heritage. The FA Cup was what it was end of. Have they not got better things to deal with like cheating and simulations?

Devils_Advocate
Posts: 12345
Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:43 pm
Been Liked: 5202 times
Has Liked: 920 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed May 08, 2019 7:42 pm

Id be inclined to extend it to all honours pre world war 2

Dark Cloud
Posts: 6586
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:03 am
Been Liked: 1981 times
Has Liked: 3299 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 pm

They'll be wiping out anything pre Premier League next!

claptrappers_union
Posts: 5757
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:40 pm
Been Liked: 1747 times
Has Liked: 345 times
Location: The Banana Stand

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed May 08, 2019 8:48 pm

Those clubs won the FA Cup - that was the point of the tournament no matter of what it’s quality was.

I can’t believe West Brom agreed to it?! If I was the chairman of a professional club losing the honours, I’d be pulling my club out of next seasons competition - what the point in entering if you know the evidence of your participation will be one day downgraded?
This user liked this post: mdd2

Bosscat
Posts: 25363
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:51 am
Been Liked: 8428 times
Has Liked: 18097 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Bosscat » Wed May 08, 2019 9:04 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:They'll be wiping out anything pre Premier League next!
A lot of people already do m8 its as if pre 1992 never happened ;)
This user liked this post: Dark Cloud

martin_p
Posts: 10368
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:40 pm
Been Liked: 3764 times
Has Liked: 696 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by martin_p » Wed May 08, 2019 9:19 pm

In the same vein surely the results of the last 15 years or so should be wiped out with clubs putting out ‘reserve’ sides and generally not taking the competition seriously.
These 3 users liked this post: mdd2 IanMcL turfytopper

claptrappers_union
Posts: 5757
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:40 pm
Been Liked: 1747 times
Has Liked: 345 times
Location: The Banana Stand

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed May 08, 2019 9:19 pm

People do honestly argue that winning the old first division and Premier League are not the same.

The end result determines the best team in the league, nothing else is different other than name of the trophy.
This user liked this post: bob-the-scutter

Rowls
Posts: 13163
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
Been Liked: 5065 times
Has Liked: 5124 times
Location: Montpellier, France

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Rowls » Wed May 08, 2019 9:20 pm

As funny as this is (as long as it isn't extended beyond, say 1912) it reads like an April fools joke.

Can anyone find another source for this?

It's bizarre.
These 3 users liked this post: bob-the-scutter BertiesBeehole turfytopper

Foulthrow
Posts: 2283
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:48 am
Been Liked: 699 times
Has Liked: 1518 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Foulthrow » Wed May 08, 2019 9:20 pm

They want to be more concerned with the shambles of a competition that they have created recently.
This user liked this post: turfytopper

I luv my wife
Posts: 42
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 23 times
Has Liked: 4 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by I luv my wife » Wed May 08, 2019 10:02 pm

Surely this will effect the amount of investment the venkys put into the club because let's face it in India tradition is everything just consider the British Raj

cricketfieldclarets
Posts: 21464
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 8585 times
Has Liked: 11285 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed May 08, 2019 10:11 pm

Absolute nonsense.

Have they nothing better to do?

Spike
Posts: 2682
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:07 pm
Been Liked: 594 times
Has Liked: 1225 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Spike » Wed May 08, 2019 10:17 pm

Elwood will well and truly be a Place of Misery given this news
This user liked this post: bfccrazy

Buxtonclaret
Posts: 16618
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 3749 times
Has Liked: 7520 times
Location: Derbyshire

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed May 08, 2019 10:17 pm

Rowls wrote:As funny as this is (as long as it isn't extended beyond, say 1912) it reads like an April fools joke.

Can anyone find another source for this?

It's bizarre.
That's why I mentioned the chicken wings, because I didn't take the post too seriously. ;)

Clarets4me
Posts: 4948
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:31 pm
Been Liked: 2307 times
Has Liked: 1033 times
Location: Ightenhill,Burnley

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Clarets4me » Wed May 08, 2019 10:27 pm

I luv my wife wrote:Surely this will effect the amount of investment the venkys put into the club because let's face it in India tradition is everything just consider the British Raj
I understand that a Conservative party " Think tank " is proposing counter suing the indian Government, for the amount of infrastructure left and paid for by the United Kingdom, should the Indian Government try and sue for reparations as a result of British rule during the Empire !

But you'd probably know more about that than me, being a " Blue Rosette " man yourself ! ;)

I luv my wife
Posts: 42
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 23 times
Has Liked: 4 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by I luv my wife » Wed May 08, 2019 10:35 pm

How can the Indian gov sue ourselves in the UK we have them the best railway system in the world not counting the foreign aid to build their space programme and as for the blue rossett it was dark

Blackrod
Posts: 5114
Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:41 pm
Been Liked: 1348 times
Has Liked: 608 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Blackrod » Wed May 08, 2019 10:41 pm

Rewriting history to comply with modern standards or tastes - are the BBC behind this ?

SalisburyClaret
Posts: 4077
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:32 pm
Been Liked: 1104 times
Has Liked: 709 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Wed May 08, 2019 10:45 pm

Shameful

Pstotto
Posts: 6224
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:11 pm
Been Liked: 1024 times
Has Liked: 763 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Pstotto » Wed May 08, 2019 11:16 pm

Silly.

Pstotto
Posts: 6224
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:11 pm
Been Liked: 1024 times
Has Liked: 763 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Pstotto » Wed May 08, 2019 11:17 pm

They'll be downgrading religions next...

bob-the-scutter
Posts: 1303
Joined: Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:25 pm
Been Liked: 420 times
Has Liked: 995 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by bob-the-scutter » Wed May 08, 2019 11:47 pm

Spike wrote:Elwood will well and truly be a Place of Misery given this news
Jake won't be too pleased either.
**** the penguin!

Walton
Posts: 1985
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:29 am
Been Liked: 792 times
Has Liked: 242 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Walton » Thu May 09, 2019 12:23 am

Rowls wrote:As funny as this is (as long as it isn't extended beyond, say 1912) it reads like an April fools joke.

Can anyone find another source for this?

It's bizarre.
There's a typo of 'existance' in there. Casts doubt.

claret wizard
Posts: 980
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 261 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by claret wizard » Thu May 09, 2019 1:08 am

Good cast...

THEWELLERNUT70
Posts: 3382
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:13 pm
Been Liked: 997 times
Has Liked: 2007 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Thu May 09, 2019 7:05 am

Royal Engineers will be gutted

fatboy47
Posts: 4179
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:58 am
Been Liked: 2315 times
Has Liked: 2692 times
Location: Isles of Scilly

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by fatboy47 » Thu May 09, 2019 7:36 am

I'm not sure that any club whose fan base consists mainly of people who bum horses and talk to goats shouldn't have their entire history wiped off the page.

mikeS
Posts: 1742
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:21 am
Been Liked: 650 times
Has Liked: 25 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by mikeS » Thu May 09, 2019 8:07 am

If it’s true it’s a disgraceful manipulation of history. I’d fully support Rovers and any other club affected in blocking this pointless act happening.

ClaretAndJew
Posts: 8020
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:08 am
Been Liked: 2814 times
Has Liked: 503 times
Location: Earth

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu May 09, 2019 8:14 am

Can't see this anywhere and even on the independent website I can't find it.

South West Claret.
Posts: 5642
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:55 pm
Been Liked: 766 times
Has Liked: 499 times
Location: Devon

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by South West Claret. » Thu May 09, 2019 8:20 am

Nonesense.

Claretforever
Posts: 2928
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:37 am
Been Liked: 1035 times
Has Liked: 507 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Claretforever » Thu May 09, 2019 8:21 am

We know the FA Cup is the FA Cup, but before league football began in 1888 it’s a bit much claiming they’re anything more than amateur cup competitions (they literally were until 1885-86, and only a few teams could afford to pay players anyway, such as Blackburn Rovers who were bankrolled by wealthy mill owners, which won’t come as a surprise) which were little better than the Hospital Cup.

Clubs were often given byes, some clubs just didn’t turn up for fixtures because they couldn’t afford to travel, and it was like pub football.

All honours should start from the 1888-89 season I think. At least it was all properly organised from that point, despite the small number of teams.

Falcon
Posts: 3210
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:40 pm
Been Liked: 892 times
Has Liked: 1161 times
Location: Proudsville

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Falcon » Thu May 09, 2019 8:58 am

What a load of nonsense.

Lord Beamish
Posts: 5001
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:00 pm
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 2881 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Lord Beamish » Thu May 09, 2019 9:01 am

Anything that puts the kibosh on R*vers and their last chance saloon claim of being the most successful Town Team in English history is fine by me.

andyh
Posts: 1385
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:27 am
Been Liked: 483 times
Has Liked: 102 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by andyh » Thu May 09, 2019 9:05 am

Left over April Fools windup?

IanMcL
Posts: 30123
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 6340 times
Has Liked: 8651 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 09, 2019 9:58 am

An excellent spoof.

Clarets4me
Posts: 4948
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:31 pm
Been Liked: 2307 times
Has Liked: 1033 times
Location: Ightenhill,Burnley

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by Clarets4me » Thu May 09, 2019 11:19 am

OK, I'll come clean ... I knocked it up in a spare half hour yesterday to wind up a Rover's supporting mate .....the thing is, that in today's world, you could almost imagine it happening. It was inspired by Jonathan Agnew's wind up of Geoff Boycott, on " Test Match Special " ....

Apologies to those who wasted their time searching for the " story ", but if it makes you feel better, It was a " trending " topic over on the BRFCS message board, they weren't happy !! :lol:
These 4 users liked this post: 4:20 Sausage ClaretPope Buxtonclaret

claptrappers_union
Posts: 5757
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:40 pm
Been Liked: 1747 times
Has Liked: 345 times
Location: The Banana Stand

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by claptrappers_union » Thu May 09, 2019 12:31 pm

I did google ‘FA Cup downgraded’ afterwards and found nothing. That when I thought I’d been had.

However, with the FA changing their name to The English FA and other pointless reshuffles, like the Football League trophy having Premier League reserves in it, wouldn’t have surprised me.

But that was a good one
This user liked this post: 4:20

4:20
Posts: 2166
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:23 am
Been Liked: 1061 times
Has Liked: 1177 times

Re: Early FA Cups to be downgraded ...

Post by 4:20 » Thu May 09, 2019 12:42 pm

A well crafted and believable ruse foiled by Google search. Still deserving of a chocolate biscuit for the effort and fiddler's forum meltdown.
This user liked this post: turfytopper

Post Reply