Damo wrote:Nice one eddy
Your wasted on here pal (not as in drunk wasted. I know it's a bit early for that. You will be grafting until later wont you?)
No, day off today and all is well.
Damo wrote:Nice one eddy
Your wasted on here pal (not as in drunk wasted. I know it's a bit early for that. You will be grafting until later wont you?)
AndyClaret wrote:The old "answer my specific question trick" works every time.
AndrewJB wrote:Here’s Farage standing up for the rights of people to listen to distasteful comedy: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This I agree with.AndrewJB wrote:Here’s Farage standing up for the rights of people to listen to distasteful comedy: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Have you listened to Boyles podcast. It’s only one episode and about 3 hours long. I think you would like it. It’s really goodImploding Turtle wrote:The problem with Carr and Boyle isn't that their jokes are edgy, it's that too often they go immediately for the shock of an edgy joke instead of disguising the jokes edgy nature to catch the audience off guard. It's still often funny, without being hilarious, but it's pretty lazy and predictable. It's like a scene in a horror movie that deliberately leads you to believe you're about to be made to jump, and then it tries to make you jump. Sure, sometimes you still jump but you weren't caught off guard, or shocked.
Edgy jokes can be brilliant though, and one of my favourite examples is a Norm McDonald joke. With this joke he could have just left it at "the math was done by a woman" and it would have been a lame, lazy, edgy joke about being sexist. But what he does with that lame joke is, to me, brilliant. https://9gag.com/gag/aY4KzvN/norm-mcdonald-women-vs-men" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Another example of an edgy joke I love is a Bob Monkhouse joke (famous edgelord that he was). I couldn't find a clip of it so i'll just quote it. "When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather - in my sleep. Not screaming and terrified like his passengers."
These two jokes are both edgy jokes about sexism and manslaughter, but i think they're brilliant because they lead you in one direction so they disarm you somewhat before slapping you with the punchline while you're looking the other way. The problem with Carr, Brand, and Boyle is that too often they don't manipulate you into not expecting the punchline. They're still funny, i think, but also predictable.
Your opinion on this will be fascinating. What do you think about her "joke". Should she be fired over it?Top Claret wrote:Horrible obnoxious fat cow
You do know that was a best man speech from 20 years ago ? BTW i agree Farage is wrong to call for action against Jo Brand.Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh boy. I love that all he Farage jokes are coming out (ha!) now that he's opposed to people making offensive jokes.
Here's one about drowning gay people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3HB77S ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Of course, no one's saying drowning gay people is funny, and Farage isn't advocating it. But, applying his logic about what's appropriate to joke about then surely he'll be apologising for it.
Calling them "fags" though? Surely we're past that as a society.
Some joke. Evil Bitch. Her career should be over. Wonder what Katie Piper thinks of the "joke"?Caballo wrote:It was a joke.
Freedom of speech? Only if you are so far Left you can't stand up straight.JohnMcGreal wrote:You can't even make a joke these days without some massive snowflakes getting all offended. What happened to freedom of speech? It's PC gone mad, I tell you!
I never said it was funny! It was still a joke non the less.Healeywoodclaret wrote:Some joke. Evil Bitch. Her career should be over. Wonder what Katie Piper thinks of the "joke"?
But at least it is a joke - which distinguishes it from Brand's comment. He's taken a word and used it to have two meanings and referenced a current news item in the twist. It's not very funny and, as you say, one of the meanings may be considered offensive but it at least has a construction that makes it a "joke". No-one has been able to explain Brand's joke other than that it would be funny to throw acid at Farage, Robinson etc. Because there is nothing else to it. That's why it's problematic to come up with a rationale to defend it. Unless you think acid-throwing is OK if it's at the right people.Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh boy. I love that all he Farage jokes are coming out (ha!) now that he's opposed to people making offensive jokes.
Here's one about drowning gay people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3HB77S ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Of course, no one's saying drowning gay people is funny, and Farage isn't advocating it. But, applying his logic about what's appropriate to joke about then surely he'll be apologising for it.
Calling them "fags" though? Surely we're past that as a society.
I'll give you a chance as well then. What is the "joke"? I know it will lose its humour in the explanation but please describe the joke.Caballo wrote:I never said it was funny! It was still a joke non the less.
The joke being that Farage is so despicable that he would be more deserving of battery acid being thrown at him than milkshake. Not sure how or why that needs explaining. It was very poorly, if at all considered and also not very funny. Obviously a joke nonetheless though.thatdberight wrote:I'll give you a chance as well then. What is the "joke"? I know it will lose its humour in the explanation but please describe the joke.
OK. You have a different definition of a joke than me. I'd call that either abuse or political commentary.Rileybobs wrote:The joke being that Farage is so despicable that he would be more deserving of battery acid being thrown at him than milkshake. Not sure how or why that needs explaining. It was very poorly, if at all considered and also not very funny. Obviously a joke nonetheless though.
Well firstly Brand didn’t wish death upon anyone as far as I can tell. If you said you hoped I died a slow painful death but didn’t mean it then of course it would be a joke. I’m pretty confident that Brand doesn’t actually want anyone to throw acid on anyone else - so on that basis what she said was a joke. Not a funny joke, but still a joke.thatdberight wrote:OK. You have a different definition of a joke than me. I'd call that either abuse or political commentary.
If I responded to you (or any other poster on any subject) with, "You're a **** and I hope you die a long, slow painful death.", is that a joke? That seems to me to share the same characteristics as Brand's comment. I don't think it's a joke. Just abuse. I'd expect to get banned here.
OK. We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I still can't see how, unless you find the idea of someone getting acid thrown at them funny, Brand can be said to have made a joke.Rileybobs wrote:Well firstly Brand didn’t wish death upon anyone as far as I can tell. If you said you hoped I died a slow painful death but didn’t mean it then of course it would be a joke. I’m pretty confident that Brand doesn’t actually want anyone to throw acid on anyone else - so on that basis what she said was a joke. Not a funny joke, but still a joke.
Healeywoodclaret wrote:Would you say that if it was you or one of yours? What an utter W@nker you are. Will Katie Piper say well said Bitch? I doubt it.
If I said that the contestants of Love Island should be shot would that not be seen as a joke? How about if i said that someone should chin Nick Knowles?thatdberight wrote:OK. We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I still can't see how, unless you find the idea of someone getting acid thrown at them funny, Brand can be said to have made a joke.
Don't think anyone would take offence at anybody suggesting Nick Knowles needs chinning.Rileybobs wrote:If I said that the contestants of Love Island should be shot would that not be seen as a joke? How about if i said that someone should chin Nick Knowles?
You don’t have to find the idea of those things happening to anybody funny for it to be a joke.
No. They're not jokes. They may fit one criterion in that they are not, I'm sure, serious views but they lack any of the other structural elements.Rileybobs wrote:If I said that the contestants of Love Island should be shot would that not be seen as a joke? How about if i said that someone should chin Nick Knowles?
You don’t have to find the idea of those things happening to anybody funny for it to be a joke.
A joke doesn’t need structure. According to the dictionary (I can’t believe I even need to consult the dictionary for a definition), a joke is ‘a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter’.thatdberight wrote:No. They're not jokes. They may fit one criterion in that they are not, I'm sure, serious views but they lack any of the other structural elements.
I don't believe she named Farage - her comments were made when he, Robinson and Sargon were all getting milkshook.elwaclaret wrote:David Baddiel defended Brand by quoting one of her stock gags - the way to a mans hart is through the breast with a bread knife.
While this is edgy, it could not be construed as an excitement... had she left it at “some politicians” there would be no great outcry... just Jo Brand looking to regain her cutting edge. Naming Farage was incredibly dumb for someone who let’s be honest has been around long enough, and is certainly not a violent woman in reality. However it did border on ‘incitement’ and is rightly being looked at very seriously.
I’m pretty sure should an acid attack result Brand would be horrified to be taken literally, but that is the risk she chose to take after getting away with something very similar earlier in the week on “Have I Got News for you”.
OK. Then, in order to be consistent, I'd have to accept pretty much anything as "a joke" if defined that way by the speaker. If the definition is so broad, the flip side is that, "It's a joke" can't carry any weight as a defence against censure. Which seems to me even less helpful. Jokes should be subject to a higher threshold before they are deemed offensive - but if I can claim anything I say as "a joke" because I intended it to be amusing, that falls.Rileybobs wrote:A joke doesn’t need structure. According to the dictionary (I can’t believe I even need to consult the dictionary for a definition), a joke is ‘a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter’.
If I said that someone should chin Nick Knowles, I would be doing this to cause amusement. I wouldn’t actually want someone to chin Nick Knowles, I would be using the scenario to display my dislike of him.
It's not my definition of a joke though, saying something to cause amusement is exactly what a joke is.thatdberight wrote:OK. Then, in order to be consistent, I'd have to accept pretty much anything as "a joke" if defined that way by the speaker. If the definition is so broad, the flip side is that, "It's a joke" can't carry any weight as a defence against censure. Which seems to me even less helpful. Jokes should be subject to a higher threshold before they are deemed offensive - but if I can claim anything I say as "a joke" because I intended it to be amusing, that falls.
On that at least, we agree. Her comments were clearly not a police matter as things stand.Rileybobs wrote:The comments were clearly not incitement to violence though, in the same way that my comments about Nick Knowles aren't. And that's why the matter has been dropped by the police.
thatdberight wrote:But at least it is a joke - which distinguishes it from Brand's comment.
No. But then, if you could read my comment, oh, all of two comments ago, you'd know that. When you foam at the mouth, maybe it gets hard to see through the spittle. I don't know.Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think that Jo Brand is seriously calling for people to throw battery acid at politicians? Seriously? That's your argument?
So if you know she wasn't serious then you know that her comment was non-serious. So what's another word for a non-serious comment? I'll give youa hint, the one i'm thinking of is 4 letters and begins with a J.thatdberight wrote:No. But then, if you could read my comment, oh, all of two comments ago, you'd know that. When you foam at the mouth, maybe it gets hard to see through the spittle. I don't know.
No but she knows only too well that there are nutters about who'd take her at her word.Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think that Jo Brand is seriously calling for people to throw battery acid at politicians? Seriously? That's your argument?
Jerk.Imploding Turtle wrote:So if you know she wasn't serious then you know that her comment was non-serious. So what's another word for a non-serious comment? I'll give youa hint, the one i'm thinking of is 4 letters and begins with a J.
thatdberight wrote:Jerk.
I already said, "Brand's joke only works..." Not whether it's funny or not but conceptually. The only element it has is the concept of throwing acid at people. That's the "joke". It has nothing else. That's what she wished people to find funny. Repeated attempts to elicit from those supporting the joke an outline of its other content have come to nothing. Perhaps you'll reveal it now. (I don't mean that - you won't).
And still no response to the substantial point. Of course.Imploding Turtle wrote:You said this:
"But at least it is a joke - which distinguishes it from Brand's comment."
Do you see why when someone reads this and sees that you are distinguishing a joke from what Brand said that someone could think you consider Brand's comment not to be a joke?
You literally said that it is distinguished FROM a joke, ergo you said it wasn't a joke. Maybe instead of getting all upset that anyone could possibly think you thought she wasn't joking maybe look at what you yourself said and see how someone else could read from it that that's what you meant since you literally ******* said it.
You are not the person who decides what does or doesn't work as a joke. The opposite of serious is non-serious. Another word for non-serious is "joke". Whether it's funny or not, whether it "works" as a joke, doesn't matter.thatdberight wrote:And still no response to the substantial point. Of course.
Yes I am.Imploding Turtle wrote:You are not the person who decides what does or doesn't work as a joke.
Inchy wrote:Its a joke, not a very good one, but a joke.
Nothing wrong with what she said in the right context, which it was, on a comedy show. Clearly she wasn’t being serious.
How does anyone know she never actually thought when watching the news,why waste a delicious milkshake when you could have used battery acid?Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think that Jo Brand is seriously calling for people to throw battery acid at politicians? Seriously? That's your argument?
Dazzler wrote:How does anyone know she never actually thought when watching the news,why waste a delicious milkshake when you could have used battery acid?
Thanks! I don't really need a chance, the jokes quite obvious. Perhaps we should reduce everything to 'knock, knock" as precursor, that way everyone will understand.thatdberight wrote:I'll give you a chance as well then. What is the "joke"? I know it will lose its humour in the explanation but please describe the joke.
I'm sure you'd have held the same view had it been aimed at Corbyn.AndrewJB wrote:It worked as a joke. The audience laughed.