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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:21 pm

bfcjg wrote:The likes of evensteadiereddie much prefer defending the rights of murderers and paedophiles to live amongst us then promoting harsher sentences and the death penalty for such deviants.



And you know this how ?
Ignorance and assumption : you prove my point about the knuckle-draggers beautifully.
Thank you.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:47 pm

So people who want deviants either executed,locked up for life or locked up then deported if a foreign national regardless of the family life human rights get out clause are knuckle draggers in your oh so liberal world ? You prove my point beautifully.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:55 pm

bfcjg wrote:So people who want deviants either executed,locked up for life or locked up then deported if a foreign national regardless of the family life human rights get out clause are knuckle draggers in your oh so liberal world ? You prove my point beautifully.


What makes you think eddie's a liberal?
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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:58 pm

Ah, I see your mistake, bfcjg.
I wasn't generalising about all knuckle-draggers, I was being specific.
About you. :lol:

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by BennyD » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Ah, that old chestnut. A couple of months ago some scumbags broke into my mum and dads house and stole priceless jewellery and heirlooms that had been passed down from my late grandparents. Personally I’d be happy if they had been mowed down by a truck as they were running away. At the same time I can acknowledge that they don’t deserve to die for what they have done.

The victim of a crime is the last person you’d go to for rational thought about what constitutes a fair punishment.


I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about executing scrotes for theft, so your particular point is irrelevant.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:03 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Ah, I see your mistake, bfcjg.
I wasn't generalising about all knuckle-draggers, I was being specific.
About you. :lol:

I bet the winter nights fly by in your house.
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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:07 pm

To be fair, the comment made by Rileybobs is relevant. I've no doubt that if something horrendous happened to one of my girls, my initial reaction would be one of blind revenge, nothing else.
Fortunately, for me and us all, we have a civilised - even these days - code of dealing with criminals. It may not satisfy the less well-balanced but that's tough - we have to be better than the "deviants" or whatever we claim to despise.
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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:08 pm

bfcjg wrote:I bet the winter nights fly by in your house.


Go on, give me a clue what the **** you're talking about. :lol:

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:20 pm

Eddie wrote
"Go on, give me a clue what the **** you're talking about." 
Sad people who laugh at their own jokes Ploppy.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... DpBsRE_s9T

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:33 pm

BennyD wrote:I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about executing scrotes for theft, so your particular point is irrelevant.


No, you didn’t say anything about executing a scrotes for theft. You said that those opposed to killing a murderer would think differently if it was their child that had been murdered. My post was pointing out how the victim of a crime is quite likely to be irrational in what they think constitutes a fair punishment for a crime. So in this case, it’s actually your point about how the victim’s families feel which is irrelevant in determining the fitting and just punishment for said crime.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:36 pm

bfcjg wrote:Eddie wrote
"Go on, give me a clue what the **** you're talking about." 
Sad people who laugh at their own jokes Ploppy.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... DpBsRE_s9T


Oh dear, you're having a bad run, aren't you ?

Never mind, I'll correct you again : I wasn't laughing at my own joke, brilliant as it was, I was laughing at you for being so gormless.
I'm sure you mean well but you don't half come across as a complete cock.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:38 pm

Of course you were.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:39 pm

See my post above.
It probably hurts you to be mocked but, to be fair, you were asking for it. :lol:

(That, again, is laughing at your idiocy not at my cleverness. Just saying, like.)

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:59 pm

Sooner be a complete cock with a pair of balls then just a sad bell end who defends criminals.Eddie stop now you really are making a fool of yourself.
I'm off out now for a father's day meal with my children, hopefully they and my grandchildren will never live in a society where the likes of you give succour and hope to deviants.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:51 pm

Oh, pack it in, you soft get. At least we both agree you're a complete cock.
"Succour and hope" - what the chuff have you been drinking ? When have I defended criminals ? You're panicking and making stuff up now.
I really pity your kids for having a terrified runt of a father. Do you flinch at your own shadow ? :lol:

(Again, that's laughing at your pathetic view of life. You deserve to be the miserable, cynical arse you are.)

Have a great night but be careful, the bogeyman might get you ! Woooooh ! :o

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by BennyD » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:08 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Ah, that old chestnut. A couple of months ago some scumbags broke into my mum and dads house and stole priceless jewellery and heirlooms that had been passed down from my late grandparents. Personally I’d be happy if they had been mowed down by a truck as they were running away. At the same time I can acknowledge that they don’t deserve to die for what they have done.

The victim of a crime is the last person you’d go to for rational thought about what constitutes a fair punishment.


I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about executing scrotes for theft, so your particular point is irrelevant.
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Re: Another murderer released

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:48 pm

BennyD wrote:I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about executing scrotes for theft, so your particular point is irrelevant.


It isn’t. It demonstrates how victims of crime, or their families, often aren’t capable of rational thought when it comes to how the perpetrators of such crime should be punished.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:44 pm

bfcjg wrote:Another example of pathetic sentencing ,pathetic home office and the criminals friend the human rights act.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rochdale-groo ... 53753.html


This **** didn't even serve half of their sentences,it a good job they aren't a danger to young girls isn't it(of course they are).

Windrush Generation-deported due to someone shredding all their files.

Convicted CHILD rapist-oh! no bother just carry on living in the area your victims reside in,clearly the poor victims in this case aren't entitled to any human rights.

I'll be shocked if these offenders don't re-offend,they don't even seem to have any conditions attached to their release,typical soft-touch Britain.

It's these stories that fuel support for the likes of Tommy Robinson,and no he's not the solution either.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:37 am

Oh good. The human rights act is being attacked by idiots who don't understand how it protects them. Joy! And all because someone we dont' like also benefits from it. That's how we are now, as a people. Attacking our own rights because someone else has them too.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:17 am

Lord Rothbury wrote:Hang em all let God sort em out.


Interesting theory, given the bible has a deeply conflicting scope when it comes to capital punishment.
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Re: Another murderer released

Post by BennyD » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:47 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It isn’t. It demonstrates how victims of crime, or their families, often aren’t capable of rational thought when it comes to how the perpetrators of such crime should be punished.


Personally, I don’t think it is ‘irrational’ for someone to want to execute someone who assaults, rapes or murders their child. I lost my only child to cancer and I know how much it hurts every day and to lose a child to the whims of a pervert would probably be a lot, lot worse. The only way to know is to be there, but for someone untouched by a similar tragedy to dismiss it as being irrational, is very selfish.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:16 pm

BennyD wrote:Personally, I don’t think it is ‘irrational’ for someone to want to execute someone who assaults, rapes or murders their child. I lost my only child to cancer and I know how much it hurts every day and to lose a child to the whims of a pervert would probably be a lot, lot worse. The only way to know is to be there, but for someone untouched by a similar tragedy to dismiss it as being irrational, is very selfish.


I'm very sorry for your loss, losing a child is unimaginable.

But if my child was murdered there is no way I would be thinking rationally. I'm pretty sure, among other feelings, I'd have a lust for revenge. By your logic you may as well leave the sentencing to the family of victims.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:28 pm

Maybe it is in the title Human (being) rights-at what degree of depravity do we remove human from being?
A child killer is in a microcosm what would destroy the human race by denying life and reproduction vital to the species.
And on it is not OK to exterminate an elderly person.
Some crimes do cut one to the quick.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by BennyD » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I'm very sorry for your loss, losing a child is unimaginable.

But if my child was murdered there is no way I would be thinking rationally. I'm pretty sure, among other feelings, I'd have a lust for revenge. By your logic you may as well leave the sentencing to the family of victims.


Thank you. However, what right does someone have to inflict a lifetime of grief on a family and friends because of a whim? Perhaps a feeling of justice/revenge is a help to any family so affected, but seeing the murderer released and walking the streets will compound the feeling of injustice immeasurably. Just ask the family of Jamie Bulger.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:57 pm

willsclarets wrote:Clearly proven it's not a deterrent.


I've been thinking about this, how is it proven that the death penalty doesn't act as a deterrent? We will never know how many would-be killers were deterred by the possibilty of being hanged

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by aggi » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:54 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I've been thinking about this, how is it proven that the death penalty doesn't act as a deterrent? We will never know how many would-be killers were deterred by the possibilty of being hanged


Well you can compare murder rates in places that do and don't have the death penalty. This is particularly easy in the US where some states do have the death penalty and others don't but it's all the same country.

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Re: Another murderer released

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:03 pm

aggi wrote:Well you can compare murder rates in places that do and don't have the death penalty. This is particularly easy in the US where some states do have the death penalty and others don't but it's all the same country.

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Interesting, higher in the states that have the death penalty. But is that because states which have higher crime rates feel the need to keep the death penalty?

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