You have to remember that the leader will be chosen by party members - 120k of them at the last count. I don’t think any “hatchet job” by the left-leaning media that Tories tend to avoid is going to make a lot of difference.RingoMcCartney wrote:Boris Johnson has argument with girlfriend.
LBC Saturday 22nd June 2019.
Matt Frei (channel 4 anti brexit) show. Full hour based on Guardian (anti Brexit) hatchet job. First guest he interviews Dominic Grieve, (evangelically hysterically opposed to brexit)
You could not make it up!
Headlined should read
"Sinister , Anti democracy Establishment bring in lorry loads of top soil to make mountain out of mole Hill!!"
Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
-
- Posts: 10918
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5563 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
-
- Posts: 3553
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
- Been Liked: 656 times
- Has Liked: 2899 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Whatever! You were trivialising potential DV. You are an apologist.RingoMcCartney wrote:Go easy on the groundless insinuations please. I was describing the overblown, disproportionate reaction from the media to what the Guardian report said-
“Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action,” a spokesperson said.
As making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Stop attempting to twist my words and say I was trivialising domestic violence. I clearly wasn't, and anyone with an ounce of common sense would have known it.
You can put your handful of mulch down now.
PS. The weathers brilliant so don't think I'm going to reply to any more of your poor taste cheap shots.
-
- Been Liked: 1 time
- Has Liked: 836 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I live in Spain, I'm one of the only survivors of all the lads I knew out here in the 2000's because I'm married to a Spanish lass, without having that sort of backup there's no way I could survive out here, even dealing with the day-to-day bureaucracy is a mountainous task. The NHS is in the UK, if he gets sick and wants NHS treatment he'll have to fly home. The NHS in Spain is much better than the one in the UK but you need to know the ins-and-outs and how to get the best treatment, where to go and how to speak to people. I also have private health which I use if I need an operation, I had an operation on my nose in March and it was wonderful. A big part of the problem with people from the UK who come to live in Spain is the mentality that they and their country are somehow better than Spain when the reverse is true. Language is acceptance and the people are incredible but if you have a superior attitude you'll quickly get nowhere.AndrewJB wrote:I thought it was a bad deal too, but I would having voted to stay. Anyone wanting to leave with Theresa’s red lines in place could really expect nothing more. I’m sure you understand (apparently our government didn’t) that in leaving we can’t end up with all the good bits without any of the responsibility?
An aside - I have a near neighbour who voted to leave, and also has plans to retire to Spain. I enquirered as to how he squares that circle (some time back). Last week nd he told me that “Boris will sort it” When I pushed a little more, he said it was in Spain’s best interest to let U.K. pensioners live there because th y add to the economy, and don’t take the jobs of locals. I’m not sure who he’d spoken with to get this, but they’d told him I was playing project fear on him (I’m just another guy in the neighbourhood), so not to listen to me. When I asked him what will happen if he gets really sick, he told me the NHS would look after it, because he’s paid in all his life. What would be your advice to my neighbour?
But really anyone who thinks Boris Johnson will sort anything needs their head looking at.
-
- Been Liked: 1 time
- Has Liked: 836 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The idea that Spain needs British pensioners is another Brexiter fantasy, Spain much prefers the Russians who have money to spend and people from other parts of Europe such as France and Germany because they are better visitors, they are generally more intelligent/cultured, don't shout at the locals, get drunk and fight amongst themselves.
These 2 users liked this post: tim_noone GodIsADeeJay81
-
- Posts: 25697
- Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
- Been Liked: 4644 times
- Has Liked: 9849 times
- Location: Glasgow
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
This Tory member has had a change of heart,he makes some pertinent points though,https://uk.yahoo.com/news/used-leave-vo ... 20810.html
-
- Posts: 4388
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 pm
- Been Liked: 1826 times
- Has Liked: 930 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
These 4 users liked this post: Claret-On-A-T-Rex GodIsADeeJay81 jrgbfc LeuvenClaret
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Labour MP Caroline Flint has just told Marr that she would rather leave with No Deal than revoke article 50.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
If she said that then she's absolutely correct. Incredible the amount of people who have said otherwise. Would be a total failure of democracy- the worst of all options.AndyClaret wrote:Labour MP Caroline Flint has just told Marr that she would rather leave with No Deal than revoke article 50.
This user liked this post: AndyClaret
-
- Posts: 7313
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3965 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yes. I'm sure most of us picked up on that. It was totally inconsistent with everything else she had said in the interview. Her only motivation seems to be to pacify a noisy leave element in her local constituency.AndyClaret wrote:Labour MP Caroline Flint has just told Marr that she would rather leave with No Deal than revoke article 50.
Used to rate her quite highly but that final comment left her wide open to accusations of being motivated by self-interest, ( simply wanting to hold on to her seat) given that she spent the ENTIRE interview saying that we must avoid no deal at any cost, and that's why she'd be voting for pretty much any deal in order to move things on.
-
- Posts: 7313
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3965 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yes, but it was totally inconsistent with what she had said throughout the interview in which she had said that a no deal would be absolutely disastrous for her constituents.taio wrote:If she said that then she's absolutely correct. Incredible the amount of people who have said otherwise. Would be a total failure of democracy- the worst of all options.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I didn't watch it. No deal isn't what I want as a remainer. But revoking A50 would be worse...don't you agree.nil_desperandum wrote:Yes, but it was totally inconsistent with what she had said throughout the interview in which she had said that a no deal would be absolutely disastrous for her constituents.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Around about now you'll get wealthy Crosspool/dsr type people coming on telling you that
"for some of us, we don't need money as much as we need sovereignty"
"for some of us, we don't need money as much as we need sovereignty"
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
A view I don't agree with but there's nothing wrong it at all. As per c17m people.Lancasterclaret wrote:Around about now you'll get wealthy Crosspool/dsr type people coming on telling you that
"for some of us, we don't need money as much as we need sovereignty"
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You are making the mistake of assuming (like the aforementioned people do) that people voted to make themselves poorer. They were not told that pre the referendum. At all.taio wrote:A view I don't agree with but there's nothing wrong it at all. As per c17m people.
Someone who loses their job because of a No-Deal Brexit will suddenly find sovereignty doesn't pay the bills. And they will look at the tv, and see the people who told them that wouldn't happen still having loads of cash and not struggling, and they will get very angry indeed.
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I haven't seen this poll furiously retweeted by remainers, he's got a point....
- Attachments
-
- 4.PNG (49.82 KiB) Viewed 5649 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
People voted for what they wished. It doesn't matter what your guess at the consequences are.Lancasterclaret wrote:You are making the mistake of assuming (like the aforementioned people do) that people voted to make themselves poorer. They were not told that pre the referendum. At all.
Someone who loses their job because of a No-Deal Brexit will suddenly find sovereignty doesn't pay the bills. And they will look at the tv, and see the people who told them that wouldn't happen still having loads of cash and not struggling, and they will get very angry indeed.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Not my guess though is it?taio wrote:People voted for what they wished. It doesn't matter what your guess at the consequences are.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yours, mine and many other people's. Conjecture aside no one knows though. More people voted to Leave because of sovereignty so fair play to them for expressing their view.Lancasterclaret wrote:Not my guess though is it?
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
There are no figures to back that up, so that also is conjecture.taio wrote:Yours, mine and many other people's. Conjecture aside no one knows though. More people voted to Leave because of sovereignty so fair play to them for expressing their view.
One thing is for sure is that lots of people had different reasons to want to leave, and if they don't get what they think they were promised (whatever that is) then there will be consequences.
And if the economy tanks (ie recession type tank) then it won't go down well.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I do not need or want figures because what I'm saying is nobody knows. I guess like you it will have a detrimental impact on our economy in the short to medium term. That doesn't mean I don't respect the view of the majority who voted to Leave. It's clear as day why they voted in that way.Lancasterclaret wrote:There are no figures to back that up, so that also is conjecture.
One thing is for sure is that lots of people had different reasons to want to leave, and if they don't get what they think they were promised (whatever that is) then there will be consequences.
And if the economy tanks (ie recession type tank) then it won't go down well.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Can you name reasons other than sovereignty because I can't?Lancasterclaret wrote:There are no figures to back that up, so that also is conjecture.
One thing is for sure is that lots of people had different reasons to want to leave, and if they don't get what they think they were promised (whatever that is) then there will be consequences.
And if the economy tanks (ie recession type tank) then it won't go down well.
-
- Posts: 7313
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3965 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Actually. i don't agree at all.taio wrote:I didn't watch it. No deal isn't what I want as a remainer. But revoking A50 would be worse...don't you agree.
If we are forced to revoke article 50 (due to lack of credible options), we can revisit the EU situation in the period ahead, and we can - if we wish - plan for an orderly exit form the EU on WTO terms in say 2 years time.
If we just crash out unprepared in a few months time the short to medium term consequences for jobs, the north, the poorest in society etc. are very worrying indeed, and at that point there's no easy way of turning back.
We'd have lost our vetos, our rebate and our credibility.
Renegotiating to get back in if it turns out badly is not an attractive prospect.
Revoking, having an intelligent debate, and then - perhaps - having another vote in the relatively near future, (with an option to leave on WTO terms), wouldn't be an ideal scenario, (a deal remains the best option), but faced with no deal or revoke it's crazy that someone like Flint - having spent 10 minutes on Marr describing what an unmitigated disaster would be, - then concludes by saying she'd vote for it!! It just shows what a mad situation we're in.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
We've debated this before. You know I'm referring to withdrawing A50 long term/indefinitely. It would be plain wrong. But I appreciate you disagree.nil_desperandum wrote:Actually. i don't agree at all.
If we are forced to revoke article 50 (due to lack of credible options), we can revisit the EU situation in the period ahead, and we can - if we wish - plan for an orderly exit form the EU on WTO terms in say 2 years time.
If we just crash out unprepared in a few months time the short to medium term consequences for jobs, the north, the poorest in society etc. are very worrying indeed, and at that point there's no easy way of turning back.
We'd have lost our vetos, our rebate and our credibility.
Renegotiating to get back in if it turns out badly is not an attractive prospect.
Revoking, having an intelligent debate, and then - perhaps - having another vote in the relatively near future, (with an option to leave on WTO terms), wouldn't be an ideal scenario, (a deal remains the best option), but faced with no deal or revoke it's crazy that someone like Flint - having spent 10 minutes on Marr describing what an unmitigated disaster would be, - then concludes by saying she'd vote for it!! It just shows what a mad situation we're in.
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Fair play to them for reducing the country to a complete basket case in the pursuit of something that we already have?taio wrote:Yours, mine and many other people's. Conjecture aside no one knows though. More people voted to Leave because of sovereignty so fair play to them for expressing their view.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Immigrationtaio wrote:Can you name reasons other than sovereignty because I can't?
£350 million for the NHS
thats just of the top of my head.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Fair play to them for exercising their choice and democratic right. I don't know if we will be reduced to a basket case. It's guesswork in the long term.JohnMcGreal wrote:Fair play to them for reducing the country to a complete basket case in the pursuit of something that we already have?
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Withdrawing article 50 without a democratic mandate would be wrong,taio wrote:We've debated this before. You know I'm referring to withdrawing A50 long term/indefinitely. It would be plain wrong. But I appreciate you disagree.
Taking the "No Deal" option would be wrong for exactly the same reason.
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You don't think we've been reduced to a basket case already? Where have you been for the last three years?taio wrote:Fair play to them for exercising their choice and democratic right. I don't know if we will be reduced to a basket case. It's guesswork in the long term.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I'm totally against No Deal. Bad, but not quite as bad as revoking A50. I say that based only on personal experience - the people I know who voted Leave would be ok to leave with No Deal. They say they voted to leave the EU with or without a deal.Lancasterclaret wrote:Withdrawing article 50 without a democratic mandate would be wrong,
Taking the "No Deal" option would be wrong for exactly the same reason.
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
taio isn't even in favour of withdrawing article 50 with a democratic mandate.Lancasterclaret wrote:Withdrawing article 50 without a democratic mandate would be wrong,
Taking the "No Deal" option would be wrong for exactly the same reason.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
No.JohnMcGreal wrote:You don't think we've been reduced to a basket case already? Where have you been for the last three years?
How are you measuring that?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
What makes you say that? I'm specifically and unequivocally saying we shouldn't revoke A50 without a democratic mandate.JohnMcGreal wrote:taio isn't even in favour of withdrawing article 50 with a democratic mandate.
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
How long have you got? You could write an entire book based on the lamentable state of the country over the last few years.taio wrote:No.
How are you measuring that?
By what measure are we not currently a basket case? What is your criteria for determining whether a developed country has turned into a basket case or not?
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I'm pretty sure it was you who was against a political party standing in a general election on the ticket of revoking article 50 and remaining in the EU? If I have you mistaken for another poster, I apologise.taio wrote:What makes you say that? I'm specifically and unequivocally saying we shouldn't revoke A50 without a democratic mandate.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
My life and the lives of people around me is no different to what it was 3 years ago. That's my measure. If you could write a book on it briefly say what five key things mean this country is already a basket case.JohnMcGreal wrote:How long have you got? You could write an entire book based on the lamentable state of the country over the last few years.
By what measure are we not currently a basket case? What is your criteria for determining whether a developed country has turned into a basket case or not?
Last edited by taio on Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I said I don't have a problem with a referendum. I said a manifesto sets out a vast range of policy intentions. Any further democratic process ought to be on the single issue of Brexit ie a referendum. What's wrong with that?JohnMcGreal wrote:I'm pretty sure it was you who was against a political party standing in a general election on the ticket of revoking article 50 and remaining in the EU? If I have you mistaken for another poster, I apologise.
-
- Posts: 7313
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3965 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yes, and I agree - we've been here before.(i.e had this very discussion).taio wrote:I said I don't have a problem with a referendum. I said a manifesto sets out a vast range of policy intentions. Any further democratic ought to be on the single issue of Brexit ie a referendum. What's wrong with that?
My point just to oclaify again: If faced with no other option than no deal on Oct 31st, we would probably have to revoke article 50 in order to have this referendum, (unless of course the EU offer an extension,).
Revoking Article 50 isn't terminal, technically we can leave the EU anytime want in the future.
Simply walking out with nothing proper in place in about 4 months time is much more terminal. It would be really difficult for us to re-join and we would have lost all our current benefits.
(That's all I'm saying, but I respect your right to disagree).
Flint - having given all her reasons why she can't support no deal, and how damaging it would be, concluded that she would vote for it. That's some seriously muddled thinking, or she is just thinking about herself and retaining her seat. If she is so convinced that no deal would be bad for her constituents, why doesn't she get out and about and on her soap box and argue against it 24 / 7. This is what all principled Labour MPs should be doing. If they lose the argument then fair enough, their constituents can remove them.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Temporarily or deferring A50 would be no issue to me. I recall both you and I said that would and needed to happen re March this year months priornil_desperandum wrote:Yes, and I agree - we've been here before.(i.e had this very discussion).
My point just to oclaify again: If faced with no other option than no deal on Oct 31st, we would probably have to revoke article 50 in order to have this referendum, (unless of course the EU offer an extension,).
Revoking Article 50 isn't terminal, technically we can leave the EU anytime want in the future.
Simply walking out with nothing proper in place in about 4 months time is much more terminal. It would be really difficult for us to re-join and we would have lost all our current benefits.
(That's all I'm saying, but I respect your right to disagree).
Flint - having given all her reasons why she can't support no deal, and how damaging it would be, concluded that she would vote for it. That's some seriously muddled thinking, or she is just thinking about herself and retaining her seat. If she is so convinced that no deal would be bad for her constituents, why doesn't she get out and about and on her soap box and argue against it 24 / 7. This is what all principled Labour MPs should be doing. If they lose the argument then fair enough, their constituents can remove them.
This user liked this post: nil_desperandum
-
- Posts: 7313
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3965 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Thanks.taio wrote:Temporarily or deferring A50 would be no issue to me. I recall both you and I said that would and needed to happen re March this year months prior
Obviously we are both rather more consistent and pragmatic than Ms Flint.
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Well we've had an MP physically assaulting a member of the public, and the next Prime Minister has had the police called to his partner's flat in the early hours because of a loud domestic incident. Two things that are pretty unprecedented. And that's just this week.taio wrote:My life and the lives of people around me is no different to what it was 3 years ago. That's my measure. If you could write a book on it briefly say what five key things mean this country is already a basket case.
If you want to go back further, I'd highlight:
The complete breakdown and paralysis of Parliament.
The government suffering its biggest ever defeat in the house of commons.
The Prime Minister being forced out by an extreme faction of her party.
An MP running for leadership floating the idea of proroguing parliament (suspending democracy).
No Deal entering the mainstream conversation and being legitimised.
The undermining of the GFA as a result of this.
Threats to refuse to settle our financial obligations and effectively default on our debt.
The departure of several large multinational companies, along with the thousands of jobs that go with them.
The government having to bribe a small party of extremist loons in order to scrape a majority in parliament.
The calling of an election which lost the government majority.
Our diminished International reputation as a result of the never ending Brexit political crisis.
Trash talking the EU to the British press as though they're incapable of reading what's been said about them.
The promotion of ludicrous figures like Johnson and Davis to high profile cabinet positions.
The disgraceful way one of them endangered a British citizen in Iran.
You could go on and on.
Like yourself, my life and the people around me hasn't materially changed, but that is no measure of the state of the country.
If you don't think we're a basket case right now you're probably one of the few people who feel that way, and I actually envy you because of that!
This user liked this post: AndrewJB
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Many of these are so weak or you are just far too sensitive to unimportant things going on around you. It's amusing that you list some of this stuff but fail to provide any balance by acknowledging the state and weakness of the opposition. Very partisan. I can't think of a more appropriate measure for judging government than people deciding whether it has had a good, bad or indifferent impact on their lives.JohnMcGreal wrote:Well we've had an MP physically assaulting a member of the public, and the next Prime Minister has had the police called to his partner's flat in the early hours because of a loud domestic incident. Two things that are pretty unprecedented. And that's just this week.
If you want to go back further, I'd highlight:
The complete breakdown and paralysis of Parliament.
The government suffering its biggest ever defeat in the house of commons.
The Prime Minister being forced out by an extreme faction of her party.
An MP running for leadership floating the idea of proroguing parliament (suspending democracy).
No Deal entering the mainstream conversation and being legitimised.
The undermining of the GFA as a result of this.
Threats to refuse to settle our financial obligations and effectively default on our debt.
The departure of several large multinational companies, along with the thousands of jobs that go with them.
The government having to bribe a small party of extremist loons in order to scrape a majority in parliament.
The calling of an election which lost the government majority.
Our diminished International reputation as a result of the never ending Brexit political crisis.
Trash talking the EU to the British press as though they're incapable of reading what's been said about them.
The promotion of ludicrous figures like Johnson and Davis to high profile cabinet positions.
The disgraceful way one of them endangered a British citizen in Iran.
You could go on and on.
Like yourself, my life and the people around me hasn't materially changed, but that is no measure of the state of the country.
If you don't think we're a basket case right now you're probably one of the few people who feel that way, and I actually envy you because of that!
-
- Posts: 3553
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
- Been Liked: 656 times
- Has Liked: 2899 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Wouldn’t an extensive list of the weaknesses of the opposition just strengthen the argument that we are a basket case?taio wrote:Many of these are so weak or you are just far too sensitive to unimportant things going on around you. It's amusing that you list some of this stuff but fail to provide any balance by acknowledging the state and weakness of the opposition.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
See the GATT 24 myth was destroyed yesterday by.......Liam Fox (of all people)
Can't help thinking we are going to end up with a very slightly tweaked May agreement.
Can't help thinking we are going to end up with a very slightly tweaked May agreement.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I wasn't referring to an extensive list. Just a short and simple point that the opposition is really poor. Replacing many of the points that in my view don't demonstrate we are a basket case.Burnley Ace wrote:Wouldn’t an extensive list of the weaknesses of the opposition just strengthen the argument that we are a basket case?
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
This is Jeremy Hunt spelling out the realities of a "No Deal" for jobs and families (while also saying he'd have no choice because 52% of the country voted for Brexit, even though he knows full well that not all of them voted for a No Deal)
https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1142693235527180288" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1142693235527180288" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Conference on alternative border arrangements today in NI.
Will be a big test to see if they can find a way to make it work so everyone is happy and something long term that people actually believe.
Will be a big test to see if they can find a way to make it work so everyone is happy and something long term that people actually believe.
-
- Posts: 5378
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:00 pm
- Been Liked: 1655 times
- Has Liked: 404 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
An article by one of the guys leading today’s paper about Northern Ireland.
https://brexitcentral.com/a-hard-irish- ... t-outcome/
In essence he is saying what many of us Brexiteers have been saying for years - that our weak government has allowed the debate to be changed, so instead of saying no hard border they now say no checks at all, and if we went back to the original red lines then technological solutions become viable.
https://brexitcentral.com/a-hard-irish- ... t-outcome/
In essence he is saying what many of us Brexiteers have been saying for years - that our weak government has allowed the debate to be changed, so instead of saying no hard border they now say no checks at all, and if we went back to the original red lines then technological solutions become viable.
-
- Posts: 25697
- Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
- Been Liked: 4644 times
- Has Liked: 9849 times
- Location: Glasgow
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Do parliament have to be any clearer there will not be a no-deal,https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881
Even Boris wouldn't risk an early election would he?
If the brexiteers aren't careful they will end up with no brexit at all.
Even Boris wouldn't risk an early election would he?
If the brexiteers aren't careful they will end up with no brexit at all.
-
- Posts: 2237
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1358 times
- Has Liked: 440 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
By all means, add the shambolic state of the opposition to the list. Like I said, many books will be written about the political crisis that Brexit has unleashed on the country. I don't have the time to list everything that's happened. Even If I did, I'd be wasting my time, because unless your life is impacted in some way, you won't consider them valid indicators anyway. It is perfectly possible for your life to remain exactly the same and the country to be embroiled in a deep crisis. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Also, just because your life hasn't been impacted, doesn't mean that many other people's lives haven't been.taio wrote:Many of these are so weak or you are just far too sensitive to unimportant things going on around you. It's amusing that you list some of this stuff but fail to provide any balance by acknowledging the state and weakness of the opposition. Very partisan. I can't think of a more appropriate measure for judging government than people deciding whether it has had a good, bad or indifferent impact on their lives.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Is he a speaker at the conference in NI today Crosspool?CrosspoolClarets wrote:An article by one of the guys leading today’s paper about Northern Ireland.
https://brexitcentral.com/a-hard-irish- ... t-outcome/
In essence he is saying what many of us Brexiteers have been saying for years - that our weak government has allowed the debate to be changed, so instead of saying no hard border they now say no checks at all, and if we went back to the original red lines then technological solutions become viable.
Is he there even?