Elizabeth wrote:Cheer up Ringo , this does have a funny side.
You lost your way when you fell into the trap of trying too hard to convince the remoaners I wasn't you.
Still very weird.
Drink responsibly, think on.
Elizabeth wrote:Cheer up Ringo , this does have a funny side.
You lost your way when you fell into the trap of trying too hard to convince the remoaners I wasn't you.
It's because he hates women.ClaretAndJew wrote:Any reason you're trying to use "ladies" as a derogatory term, Ringo?
Clearly you don't have the capacity to understand the context in which that sentence was made. I will let you review the whole of my comment again to see if you understand that simple sentence.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Boom! You got 'em, Detective.
If the leave parties form a pact, they will win a GE easily. The Brexit Party's price for this appears to be a 'No-deal' policy from the Tories.tiger76 wrote:Don't know if this has already been posted but a non-aggression pact between the Lib Dems and Conservative rebels is being mooted.
Rebel Tories expelled from the party are in talks with the Liberal Democrats about a non-aggression pact.
The former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron is helping to broker a deal between Rory Stewart, an expelled Conservative and neighbouring Cumbrian MP, and the new leader, Jo Swinson, insiders say.
Under the proposal, Stewart would stand as an independent MP at the next general election but agree to accept a soft Lib Dem whip in exchange for the party not fielding a candidate against him. It is understood that the Green Party would also stand aside in Stewart’s Penrith seat.
At least three other expelled Tory rebels, including the former universities minister Sam Gyimah, former business minister Margot James and former attorney-general Dominic Grieve, have had similar…
The rest of the article you have to log in to read,but this gives an idea of some type of informal remain alliance if you will.
Boris caused this himself by kicking out all the one-nation Tories,the man's a bleeding idiot.
I can answer this one, it's because Ringo thinks most of the posters on here could be women. Admittedly Ringo still refers to the aforementioned posters as he but that's because, in Ringo's words, it's quicker to type he than she (that one was possibly my favourite Ringo squirm to try not to admit he was wrong).ClaretAndJew wrote:Any reason you're trying to use "ladies" as a derogatory term, Ringo?
In all honesty Spijed apart from a few (and I mean a few ) who have used it as an excuse, (not that they previously needed one) no, it is merely a reaction to a fall in the standard of living. When times are good, racism is drastically reduced. When it isn’t then immigrants and minorities become the scapegoats. Corbyn has chosen a good British historical standard in picking on Jews...that one goes back to the turn of the first century; the right prefer on the whole to aim their bile at none Western European’s of whichever are making the news.Spijed wrote:But don't you think some of the rhetoric from some Brexiteers has increased the rise of racism towards players like Sterling?
Be useful if you can point out where Corbyn has ‘picked on Jews’. Also some examples of Johnson trying to ch ck racism would be good (to counterbalance all the well known examples where he’s fed it).elwaclaret wrote:In all honesty Spijed apart from a few (and I mean a few ) who have used it as an excuse, (not that they previously needed one) no, it is merely a reaction to a fall in the standard of living. When times are good, racism is drastically reduced. When it isn’t then immigrants and minorities become the scapegoats. Corbyn has chosen a good British historical standard in picking on Jews...that one goes back to the turn of the first century; the right prefer on the whole to aim their bile at none Western European’s of whichever are making the news.
Ironically, it is what Boris is trying to do with all his rallying calls... get the feel good back into the country that checks racism.
As you are aware, or I’m wasting my time with further explanation; racism increases with economic slowdown. The world is in all likelihood heading into recession. The infrastructure spending announcements are a proven way of stabilising an economy during difficult times... less racismmartin_p wrote:Be useful if you can point out where Corbyn has ‘picked on Jews’. Also some examples of Johnson trying to ch ck racism would be good (to counterbalance all the well known examples where he’s fed it).
A quick smear of Corbyn, and then insist that when a senior government figure calls Muslim women wearing hijabs “letterboxes” that’s neither picking on a minority nor stoking hatred? Everyone has their own bias, but you have no balance at all.elwaclaret wrote:As you are aware, or I’m wasting my time with further explanation; racism increases with economic slowdown. The world is in all likelihood heading into recession. The infrastructure spending announcements are a proven way of stabilising an economy during difficult times... less racism
The government needs cash changing hands like any business does. The worse people feel the more likely they are to blame minorities.
You are entitled to your opinion... the letterbox thing remains front and centre being mention in parliament and tv only this week... I did not think I need mention it. I used Corbyn as an example that the Left are not blameless, either. But I make no apologies for stating that the surest way to fight racism is through the economy, not enforcing political correctness. Read into it as you wishAndrewJB wrote:A quick smear of Corbyn, and then insist that when a senior government figure calls Muslim women wearing hijabs “letterboxes” that’s neither picking on a minority nor stoking hatred? Everyone has their own bias, but you have no balance at all.
Link the times Corbyn has been racist.elwaclaret wrote:You are entitled to your opinion... the letterbox thing remains front and centre being mention in parliament and tv only this week... I did not think I need mention it. I used Corbyn as an example that the Left are not blameless, either. But I make no apologies for stating that the surest way to fight racism is through the economy, not enforcing political correctness. Read into it as you wish
That’s not an answer to my question.elwaclaret wrote:As you are aware, or I’m wasting my time with further explanation; racism increases with economic slowdown. The world is in all likelihood heading into recession. The infrastructure spending announcements are a proven way of stabilising an economy during difficult times... less racism
The government needs cash changing hands like any business does. The worse people feel the more likely they are to blame minorities.
I really cannot be bothered title tattling with you about who said what, and when. As I said I don’t think political correctness should be seen as the be all anyway. If they spent less time on political correctness, we might start knowing what people actually think. Good or bad at least we’d know.AndrewJB wrote:Link the times Corbyn has been racist.
elwaclaret wrote:You are entitled to your opinion... the letterbox thing remains front and centre being mention in parliament and tv only this week... I did not think I need mention it. I used Corbyn as an example that the Left are not blameless, either. But I make no apologies for stating that the surest way to fight racism is through the economy, not enforcing political correctness. Read into it as you wish
It’s always a tricky phrase to pin down, but in this context “political correctness” appears to mean “not being racist”.elwaclaret wrote:I really cannot be bothered title tattling with you about who said what, and when. As I said I don’t think political correctness should be seen as the be all anyway. If they spent less time on political correctness, we might start knowing what people actually think. Good or bad at least we’d know.
What amazes me is most sensible people hate popularist politics and yet so many of you jump into the game with such elan.
I want a parliament that represents the people and works for the nations welfare. Not a bunch of halfwits more suited to a playground. So nots let indulge in the nonsense, please.
I mean the whole lot of it. Racism comes from self worth. Self worth is effected by many things, but economic pressure is right up there. If someone says something it does not mean the individual Sober attitude. There are any number of circumstances that could lead to a “racist comment” so it is context that is key. Without context it is a jumble of words. One thing I’m unaware of ever having been considered a racist by anyone who really knew me...but yes I’ve said many “racist” things to my mates.... when I saw Naser took into a ham butty... being just one example where I used his race and religion as weapons. If it was written down, and used out of context I would be doing time.Greenmile wrote:It’s always a tricky phrase to pin down, but in this context “political correctness” appears to mean “not being racist”.
Every time he has ignored the behaviour of the anti Semitic members of HIS party, it’s not what he says it’s what he doesn’t do.AndrewJB wrote:Link the times Corbyn has been racist.
To be fair you started it by accusing Corbyn of ‘picking on Jews’!elwaclaret wrote:AND THAT is what an ill thought out quote out of context can do.... page deleted and member possibly banned. can we now get away from constantly trying to point score and belittle please and discuss things... like they should in parliament, not as they do.
In retrospect I accept it was a poor turn of phrase, and was meant purely as shorthand for Labour’s much publicised problems.martin_p wrote:To be fair you started it by accusing Corbyn of ‘picking on Jews’!
Is it long? I really cannot say I’m a fan of his.Devils_Advocate wrote:Dominic Cummings talk from 2017 on how how he ran the vote leave campaign. Thought it was really interesting so here's the link in case anyone else fancy's a gander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDbRxH9Kiy4
When did Corbyn pick on Jews?elwaclaret wrote:In all honesty Spijed apart from a few (and I mean a few ) who have used it as an excuse, (not that they previously needed one) no, it is merely a reaction to a fall in the standard of living. When times are good, racism is drastically reduced. When it isn’t then immigrants and minorities become the scapegoats. Corbyn has chosen a good British historical standard in picking on Jews...that one goes back to the turn of the first century; the right prefer on the whole to aim their bile at none Western European’s of whichever are making the news.
Ironically, it is what Boris is trying to do with all his rallying calls... get the feel good back into the country that checks racism.
See post 13122.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:When did Corbyn pick on Jews?
Well, according to the private polling that the Conservatives have done they think it'll be far closer due to losing seats in London, Scotland and the South West. The guy on Sky news said they'd probably have to win 35 seats in the North just to break even.Damo wrote:http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"But nobody wants a no deal Brexit"
See, Boris is really starting to unite the people
Seems strange then, that Corbyn, who has begged for an election for the past 2 years, is absolutely terrified of the prospect of one nowSpijed wrote:I think it's fair to say Boris has had it!
Shame!
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Admit it, you know, virtually, nothing about me do you!Spiral wrote:Admit it, you don't know what precocious means, do you? And for the record I'm not above calling someone a dumb c.unt and being done with it when the occasion suits. God forbid, people express themselves clearly and articulately, (I actually enjoy the better written posts on here, even those with which I disagree - they're usually more insightful and better expressed than is typical in other social media), but you're a bit of a try-hard yourself, so I suppose the difference between precociousness (a characteristic of a person) and verbosity (a characteristic of rhetoric) would be lost on you, Elizabeth. I can be verbose as f.uck, but only because I can't be arsed following up my posts with clarifications for the benefit of idiots like you.
I'm not. I'm using it as a term of endearment. What's derogatory about addressing other posters as ladies. ? That's a rather misogynistic attitude you seem to have.ClaretAndJew wrote:Any reason you're trying to use "ladies" as a derogatory term, Ringo?
Apparently he did want one but was talked out of if by the whips and Keir Starmer. There is talk of him being deselected by Momentum because of that decision.Damo wrote:Seems strange then, that Corbyn, who has begged for an election for the past 2 years, is absolutely terrified of the prospect of one now
elwaclaret wrote:See post 13122.
If you are genuinely interested, three or four of the usual suspects decided me saying context was vital, before deciding what was racist and what wasn’t; was code for defending racism. One poster decided he would ridicule me... I merely re-posted his quote.... but naturally, due to my point without any explanation. Instead of attacking me, without context, the point came across as vile racism....
Proving my point in the most literal way possible.
Edited - for clarity and full explanation of events from last night.
That'll come as a surprise to my mum, sister, daughter, partner, customers, friends and family!Greenmile wrote:It's because he hates women.
When you're opponent say's 'It's do or die' why would you help him do?Damo wrote:Seems strange then, that Corbyn, who has begged for an election for the past 2 years, is absolutely terrified of the prospect of one now
RingoMcCartney wrote:John Mann , Labour MP who's announced hes stepping down to become an anti semitism tsar
"Corbyn is an enabler. His unwillingness to undo the damage he has done has had huge consequences.
"He's not just an enabler - he's the enabler in this country.
"His refusal to sort things out - and the things he's done and said in the past - gives an open licence to it."
John Mann knows far far more about the subject, than the bunch of self appointed football message board "political experts" who refuse to accept reality.
No man is so blind than he who refuses to see.
Or that the person in question has no issue with me, as I did nothing wrong... accepting I did nothing wrong... despite us having many disagreements.... now there is a remainder that I can discuss things with, even if we disagree.Devils_Advocate wrote:Elwa's actual supposition was that Corbyn likes to pick on Jews whilst Johnson is trying to check racism.
The counter argument was have you got any examples of Corbyn picking on Jews and how do you arrive at that conclusion about Johnson when to the contrary there has been high profile examples of him feeding racism (Letter box comments as one example)
So far Elwa or anyone else haven't actually attempted to back up the original claims and instead are shifting the conversation and goalpost to something they are more comfortable talking about.
If people like Ringo want to throw their hat into the ring then feel free to actually address what the discussion was about as it might actually be an interesting discussion. But if you just avoid and difficult questions and instead just continue to trumpet your own nonsense then the conversation becomes very boring very quickly
No, I merely pointed out pointed racism increases during times of financial hardship. The spending plans announced to ride out the expected global recession, are by creating work reducing racism by default. Which part of that do you have a problem with, exactly... for clarity?Devils_Advocate wrote:You did mention Johnson though. You painted it like his actions are a force of good for combating racism whilst looking to single out Corbyn (before finally backtracking and making it more general about Labour once called out on it several times) for displaying racism.
Your views and posts on politics are getting into the realms of DSR - full of lies, falsehoods, absolute nonsense and unable to stand up to any scrutiny
Don't you think thats a bit too simplistic though?elwaclaret wrote:No, I merely pointed out pointed racism increases during times of financial hardship. The spending plans announced to ride out the expected global recession, are by creating work reducing racism by default. Which part of that do you have a problem with, exactly... for clarity?
Absolutely agree Lancaster. Parliament has rarely if ever had a poorer intellect level, on all sides. I am in no way defending ANY of them including BJ. However the outrage this week, is nothing more than political point scoring.... it was well covered at the time. Though I fully accept Johnson’s comment was at best unfortunate, ill advised and asking for trouble... as I thought the second I heard them... six months... a year ago. Nevertheless he should have apologised unreservedly, so no argument with anyone about that.Lancasterclaret wrote:Don't you think thats a bit too simplistic though?
Surely you concede that the language being used by politicians and certain media outlets is certainly contributing to it?
Without getting involved in rights or wrongs... it is a short sighted resolution, a typical of how ill thought out parliament (and if you like Johnson) are behaving with knee jerks; no account has been made of the president this would set for future legislation.aggi wrote:Trying to argue that Johnson is trying to check racism whilst he's trying to normalise racism as part of his dog whistle politics is a tough argument to make (which is probably why most seem to deflect to anti-semitism and the Labour party leaving both sides to bitch and whine and nothing actually get sorted out).
Anyway, back to the current situation. This looks like it would be a laugh. I have no idea of how likely it is to succeed or not, I imagine not:
And every other act of parliament, an opposition opposes for all time.Burnley Ace wrote:Next we will be having a similar motion that those signatories do the same for all communications they have with the EU negotiating team, EU officials and their legal teams, together with communications with opposition MPs whilst they were members of the Cabinet.
Or at least where they don’t trust the leader of a government with a fair sized minority in parliament. In all other circumstances it has little chance of working.elwaclaret wrote:And every other act of parliament, an opposition opposes for all time.