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by TheFamilyCat » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:24 am
CrosspoolClarets wrote:On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist. I thought we had moved on from Jon Snow’s comment “I have never seen so many white people all in one place” about a Brexit party march, despite the BP having loads of ethnic minority candidates.
I’m too dim to know how to attach it on here, but Jon could want to study carefully the photo that Ursula Von Der Leyen has tweeted of her and her 27 all-white commissioners, which looks very similar to Junckers and his earlier photos of the last batch of 28 all-white commissioners. The big group of MEPs doesn’t have many either, and the few that there are, most are British. No person of colour has ever held high office in the EU.
They have even had the nerve to give their top migration official the title “Protecting the European way of life”. By which of course they mean white European.
The Brexit Party in particular, and Brexit voters in general, have called time on our place in this dodgy cabal, while remaining happy to have limited migration where it benefits us. Please don’t imply we are the racist ones. Perhaps look closer to home - the Lib Dem’s had to rely on Chukka defecting to get their first person of colour in the chamber, the SNP have none out of 35. Yet they have the nerve to falsely accuse the Tories of right wing behaviour. Rank hypocrisy.
I don’t think there was a “Brexit Party = racist debate” as such, it was just Lowbank going off on one and rightly getting called out on it.
To call everyone in the BP a racist would be jut as unacceptable as accusing every Eastern European of eating his fish.
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by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:34 am
martin_p wrote:It would help if a confirmed Brexit Party supporter didn’t take the line that all Poles are bad because one stole his fish! But for clarity, the accusation was against him not the whole Brexit Party.
Obviously not all Polish people steal fish but if you go and walk around any lake in the country where there's fisherman, the first thing they mention are Eastern Europeans have eaten most of the fish.
It's cultural for them, they eat what they catch.
But it's no surprise when we bring low paid workers over here and it's a free meal. Is it?
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by AndrewJB » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:35 am
Bercow reckons there are three likely outcomes: a new withdrawal agreement supported by parliament, a no-deal Brexit backed by a Commons majority, or a request by the government to Brussels for a future temporary extension of the UK’s membership of the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think Johnson's only realistic option is to back down and start over (or resign), but given the contempt he's displayed toward the spirit (if not the laws) of our system and institutions would it surprise you if he becomes more extreme?
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by quoonbeatz » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:36 am
taio wrote:To he fair the two posts you've quoted are absolutely correct and are at the heart of the problem.
They aren't correct which is what makes them the heart of the problem.
The first quoted post is a lie which makes the second quote... a lie.
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by taio » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:44 am
quoonbeatz wrote:They aren't correct which is what makes them the heart of the problem.
The first quoted post is a lie which makes the second quote... a lie.
With the single market comes freedom of movement.
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by TheFamilyCat » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:48 am
AndrewJB wrote:Bercow reckons there are three likely outcomes: a new withdrawal agreement supported by parliament, a no-deal Brexit backed by a Commons majority, or a request by the government to Brussels for a future temporary extension of the UK’s membership of the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think Johnson's only realistic option is to back down and start over (or resign), but given the contempt he's displayed toward the spirit (if not the laws) of our system and institutions would it surprise you if he becomes more extreme?
Surely the second “likely outcome” is incredibly unlikely? How can there be a commons majority for no-deal when the majority voted to pass a bill to prevent it?
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by martin_p » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:50 am
TheFamilyCat wrote:Surely the second “likely outcome” is incredibly unlikely? How can there be a commons majority for no-deal when the majority voted to pass a bill to prevent it?
It would seem unlikely. I think we’re down to two options really, a deal getting through the commons or Johnson resigning.
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by quoonbeatz » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:54 am
taio wrote:With the single market comes freedom of movement.
It does, but it can be controlled.
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by Spijed » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:56 am
martin_p wrote:It would seem unlikely. I think we’re down to two options really, a deal getting through the commons or Johnson resigning.
He's backtracking very quickly on removing the whip. He wants the 21 MP's back on side.
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by martin_p » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:07 am
Spijed wrote:He's backtracking very quickly on removing the whip. He wants the 21 MP's back on side.
I think the majority of the 21 would vote for a deal anyway. Many of them voted consistently for May’s deal and have therefore voted to leave the EU more times than the PM and some of his cabinet.
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by tiger76 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:41 am
martin_p wrote:I think the majority of the 21 would vote for a deal anyway. Many of them voted consistently for May’s deal and have therefore voted to leave the EU more times than the PM and some of his cabinet.
They haven't left themselves much option but to vote for a deal,given their vociferous stance against no deal,but most of the so-called rebels represent the pragmatic wing of the Tory party,not the extreme idiots advocating a crash-out.
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by ClaretAndJew » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:46 am
Is this an article specifically about people who voted Brexit not dying?
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by AndyClaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:50 am
ClaretAndJew wrote:Is this an article specifically about people who voted Brexit not dying?
The over 65s are more likely to have voted for Brexit.
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by ClaretAndJew » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:52 am
Well no, he dismissed a legal challenge. It goes to the supreme court for an actual real decision.
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by aggi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:03 pm
I heard an interesting stat the other day (although I don't know the original source).
At the time of the Brexit vote the age demographic tipping point between leave and remain was 45. According to polling that is now 52. I would have expected it to increase but not by that much.
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by AndyClaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:05 pm
ClaretAndJew wrote:Well no, he dismissed a legal challenge. It goes to the supreme court for an actual real decision.
I was referring to prominent remoaners James O'Brien, Femi the t-shirt, David "super injunction" Schneider and the remoaners favourite crowd funded lawyer, Jolyon Maughon being wrong about the GFA.
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:58 pm
AndyClaret wrote:I was referring to prominent remoaners James O'Brien, Femi the t-shirt, David "super injunction" Schneider and the remoaners favourite crowd funded lawyer, Jolyon Maughon being wrong about the GFA.
Is Femi still poncing about like a massive bell end?
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by If it be your will » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:28 pm
CrosspoolClarets wrote:On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist. I thought we had moved on from Jon Snow’s comment “I have never seen so many white people all in one place” about a Brexit party march, despite the BP having loads of ethnic minority candidates.
I’m too dim to know how to attach it on here, but Jon could want to study carefully the photo that Ursula Von Der Leyen has tweeted of her and her 27 all-white commissioners, which looks very similar to Junckers and his earlier photos of the last batch of 28 all-white commissioners. The big group of MEPs doesn’t have many either, and the few that there are, most are British. No person of colour has ever held high office in the EU.
They have even had the nerve to give their top migration official the title “Protecting the European way of life”. By which of course they mean white European.
The Brexit Party in particular, and Brexit voters in general, have called time on our place in this dodgy cabal, while remaining happy to have limited migration where it benefits us. Please don’t imply we are the racist ones. Perhaps look closer to home - the Lib Dem’s had to rely on Chukka defecting to get their first person of colour in the chamber, the SNP have none out of 35. Yet they have the nerve to falsely accuse the Tories of right wing behaviour. Rank hypocrisy.
I haven't factually checked any of that, but I'm assuming it to be correct. If so, that's a very illuminating post.
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:29 pm
sorry about going off on one about my passionate subject of fishing.
In new news, the Brexit Party has taken control of Hartlepool council after 7 independents joined the Brexit party and formed and alliance with the tories.
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by Greenmile » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
If it be your will wrote:I haven't factually checked any of that, but I'm assuming it to be correct. If so, that's a very illuminating post.
Given the first sentence is a lie, it’s maybe not that wise to assume the rest is correct.
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by AndyClaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:44 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Is Femi still poncing about like a massive bell end?
Oh yes, we still don't know who funds him though.
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by Tall Paul » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:53 pm
Greenmile wrote:Given the first sentence is a lie, it’s maybe not that wise to assume the rest is correct.
Crosspool's bullshit radar obviously doesn't work on his own posts.
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by Devils_Advocate » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:00 pm
Tall Paul wrote:Crosspool's bullshit radar obviously doesn't work on his own posts.
Give him a chance im sure he'll skim read it in a day or two and then realise
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by tiger76 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:26 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:sorry about going off on one about my passionate subject of fishing.
In new news, the Brexit Party has taken control of Hartlepool council after 7 independents joined the Brexit party and formed and alliance with the tories.
Explains why Farage was in the North East this week,that area has potential for the BP,the Tories and Lib Dems are pretty weak,and it's a heavily leave voting region.
Also it was the BP''S biggest % vote in the European Elections,Hartlepool will certainly be one of their target seats amongst others.
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by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:37 pm
Excuse me?
Oh, I see
Mentioning the demographic changes 2016-2019 Is "wanting Brexiteers to die"
With you now!
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by Greenmile » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:09 pm
Investigation dropped =/= cleared of any wrongdoing.
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:43 pm
tiger76 wrote:Explains why Farage was in the North East this week,that area has potential for the BP,the Tories and Lib Dems are pretty weak,and it's a heavily leave voting region.
Also it was the BP''S biggest % vote in the European Elections,Hartlepool will certainly be one of their target seats amongst others.
I think there is a big chance in Burnley to.
Julie is not very popular.
Was it 66.6% voted to leave.
I think we have a good local Brexit candidate.
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by Spijed » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:45 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:I think there is a big chance in Burnley to.
Julie is not very popular.
Was it 66.6% voted to leave.
I think we have a good local Brexit candidate.
I still don't see how the Brexit party can survive IF there is a deal before an election
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by tiger76 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:56 pm
Spijed wrote:I still don't see how the Brexit party can survive IF there is a deal before an election
True but that's a big IF with the current make-up of parliament,and the way present talks are unfolding,to get a deal through the HOC Boris will need a number of Labour MP'S to vote for it,some might in heavy leave voting seats,but whether enough will take the plunge is questionable.
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by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:00 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:I think there is a big chance in Burnley to.
Julie is not very popular.
Was it 66.6% voted to leave.
I think we have a good local Brexit candidate.
60.9% leave vote in Peterborough, and Lab in the middle of a huge anti-semitism crisis and had picked the last MP who tried to hide breaking the law.
Result?
Lab hold and Farage escaping through a toilet window rather than face the press.
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by aggi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:05 pm
If we have an election soon I'd tip the Brexit party to get half a dozen seats at most.
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:08 pm
Lancasterclaret wrote:60.9% leave vote in Peterborough, and Lab in the middle of a huge anti-semitism crisis and had picked the last MP who tried to hide breaking the law.
Result?
Lab hold and Farage escaping through a toilet window rather than face the press.
Yes Peterborough was such a fixed result it was embarrassing.
Let’s not get into a big discussion about it as it so obviously fixed, then covered up .
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by Spijed » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:10 pm
After the car crash of a visit to Yorkshire today I think it's safe to say the idea that Dominic Cummings has, to take quite a few seats from Labour in their heartlands, is now dead in the water.
There is no way the Tories can win by a big margin as a result!
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by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:11 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:Yes Peterborough was such a fixed result it was embarrassing.
Let’s not get into a big discussion about it as it so obviously fixed, then covered up .
Cool.
I think if you want to claim that, then we need to have a big discussion.
Where is your evidence?
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by aggi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:12 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:Yes Peterborough was such a fixed result it was embarrassing.
Let’s not get into a big discussion about it as it so obviously fixed, then covered up .
Well, if we're going all conspiracy theory then the Brexit Party is definitely financed by the Russians with the aim of destabilising the UK and the EU so Russia can annex it.
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:14 pm
Spijed wrote:I still don't see how the Brexit party can survive IF there is a deal before an election
Depends on the deal.
Many people worry Boris will get a watered down May’s deal .
Then he will probably be forced into a 2nd ref.
Q1. Leave with the Boris **** deal.
Q2 Remain.
Remain would probably win as its effectively staying in but as 2nd class members paying just as much and getting nothing back.
Brexit Party would grow under that scenario.
That’s the outcome I see coming.
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:16 pm
Lancasterclaret wrote:Cool.
I think if you want to claim that, then we need to have a big discussion.
Where is your evidence?
Exactly, that’s the problem there is none.
But postal votes need to be banned.
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by Lancasterclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:17 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:Exactly, that’s the problem there is none.
But postal votes need to be banned.
So with no evidence at all, you think it was fixed?
One thing I will say for you Brexit supporters, you are certainly consistent in your use of "alternative facts"
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by mkmel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:23 pm
AndyClaret wrote:The over 65s are more likely to have voted for Brexit.
Not me
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by aggi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:37 pm
AndyClaret wrote:The over 65s are more likely to have voted for Brexit.
Interestingly, the older living generations may be more pro-EU.
The theory seems to be that having lived through the war they value the principles of unity more (obviously that doesn't stop people who didn't fight in WWII attempting to claim that those who fought in WWII would be disgusted at the EU or that we {not actually the people saying it of course} survived two world wars so we can survive Brexit).
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/04/ ... llennials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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by CnBtruntru » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:09 pm
AndyClaret wrote:The over 65s are more likely to have voted for Brexit.
Must be 17.5 million pensioners up North, no wonder there's never any parking in town
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by CnBtruntru » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Lowbankclaret wrote:Exactly, that’s the problem there is none.
But postal votes need to be banned.
Undemocratic?
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by CnBtruntru » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:13 pm
I believe Labour want a second referendum and if you voted leave in the first one, you're not allowed to vote in the second one
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:17 pm
Lancasterclaret wrote:So with no evidence at all, you think it was fixed?
One thing I will say for you Brexit supporters, you are certainly consistent in your use of "alternative facts"
Well people clammed they had burnt Brexit votes.
Care workers claimed they had filled in postal votes for people in their care.
The police got involved but said no proof.
I understand your position.
Labour won, we don’t care we cheated, winning is what counts. Normal communists.
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by Lowbankclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:18 pm
CnBtruntru wrote:Undemocratic?
No just so open to cheating.
You should also have to provide ID at the polling station.