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Peter Beardsley
A man whos been called quasimodo by millions for 40 years loses his career and reputation over calling one person something...
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Are you suggesting that he shouldn’t have been sacked for racially abusing a player?
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Who said that?Rileybobs wrote:Are you suggesting that he shouldn’t have been sacked for racially abusing a player?
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No one said that - that’s why I’m asking if you’re suggesting it?cricketfieldclarets wrote:Who said that?
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Maybe he should have put " Cheeky" in front of it..
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Jeez. Always one who hasn't grown upRileybobs wrote:No one said that - that’s why I’m asking if you’re suggesting it?
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And let's not forget that Peter Beardsley has also had to deal with the trauma of Notre Dame being burnt down!
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Surprised Msrk Noble didnt come in for more stick last week when he did "team mates" with Declan Rice on sky sports last week.
I knew what he meant, but thought someone might have got outraged.
I knew what he meant, but thought someone might have got outraged.
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Come again? The wording of the OP intimates that Beardsley is unfortunate to lose his job - I've simply asked him to clarify his thoughts on the matter. Don't know how growing up is relevant.Stayingup wrote:Jeez. Always one who hasn't grown up
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He is unfortunate to lose his job... As is Jamie carragher fortunate to keep his.Rileybobs wrote:Come again? The wording of the OP intimates that Beardsley is unfortunate to lose his job - I've simply asked him to clarify his thoughts on the matter. Don't know how growing up is relevant.
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I would of thought an education course would of been better for all concerned.
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Are you serious? Still can't believe how lenient they were with him.tim_noone wrote:He is unfortunate to lose his job
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In what way?tim_noone wrote:He is unfortunate to lose his job
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He should just write a letter explaining how it’s not racist and just how it is where he grew up, it’s because he fears him as a player.
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Tbh... I'm not privy to all the ins and outs. Though it Appears the "M"'word could be the new "N" Word.Rileybobs wrote:In what way?
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There appears to be a few different incidents, but in what way is it acceptable to call a black person a monkey?tim_noone wrote:Tbh... I'm not privy to all the ins and outs. Though it Appears the "M"'word could be the new "N" Word.
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"Write a letter"? doubt itbfccrazy wrote:He should just write a letter explaining how it’s not racist and just how it is where he grew up, it’s because he fears him as a player.
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Post 5..... F.All to do with colour.
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How do you know it wasn’t to do with colour? In isolation you could have a point, although a very weak one. But combined with the other incidents it would appear that this was to do with the player’s colour.tim_noone wrote:Post 5..... F.All to do with colour.
I’ve never heard an adult call another adult a monkey - it’s not a common word to call someone.
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Aaah....and an Adult to a child?Rileybobs wrote:How do you know it wasn’t to do with colour? In isolation you could have a point, although a very weak one. But combined with the other incidents it would appear that this was to do with the player’s colour.
I’ve never heard an adult call another adult a monkey - it’s not a common word to call someone.
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No. You are implying.Rileybobs wrote:No one said that - that’s why I’m asking if you’re suggesting it?
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Why would that be relevant?tim_noone wrote:Aaah....and an Adult to a child?
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No I’m not. I simply asked if are you suggesting that he didn’t deserve to lose his job - as your opening post which I’ve copied below is worded in a way that suggest so, and you know it.cricketfieldclarets wrote:No. You are implying.
’A man whos been called quasimodo by millions for 40 years loses his career and reputation over calling one person something...’
Why not just answer the question?
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Well post 19 is a bit selective...adults only. If you've never heard anyone being called a cheeky monkey.. Your being selective with the truth.Rileybobs wrote:Why would that be relevant?
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I’ve never heard an adult call another adult a monkey. I’ve heard an adult call a child a cheeky monkey, I’ve called my child a cheeky monkey. But Peter Beardsley hasn’t been banned for calling a child a cheeky monkey, he’s been banned for calling an adult a monkey.tim_noone wrote:Well post 19 is a bit selective...adults only. If you've never heard anyone being called a cheeky monkey.. Your being selective with the truth.
When you take into consideration what a strange thing that is to call someone, the colour of the players skin and the other reported incidents of a racist nature I think it’s logical to assume that he called the player a monkey because he’s black.
The cheeky monkey defence is ridiculously weak.
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Ok...it's ok to call a child a cheeky monkey. That's fine.
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Of course it’s ok to call a child a cheeky monkey. It’s also ok to call a monkey a monkey. What isn’t ok is to call somebody a monkey because of the colour of their skin. I would have though that would be something that everyone, even on here, would agree with. Seemingly not.tim_noone wrote:Ok...it's ok to call a child a cheeky monkey. That's fine.
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You're wasting your time with Tim Loon, Rileybobs.Rileybobs wrote:I’ve never heard an adult call another adult a monkey. I’ve heard an adult call a child a cheeky monkey, I’ve called my child a cheeky monkey. But Peter Beardsley hasn’t been banned for calling a child a cheeky monkey, he’s been banned for calling an adult a monkey.
When you take into consideration what a strange thing that is to call someone, the colour of the players skin and the other reported incidents of a racist nature I think it’s logical to assume that he called the player a monkey because he’s black.
The cheeky monkey defence is ridiculously weak.
He's no doubt one of those stuck in the seventies blokes who thought that 'Love Thy Neighbour' wasn't really racist
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I can’t believe you still stalk Tim.fidelcastro wrote:You're wasting your time with Tim Loon, Rileybobs.
He's no doubt one of those stuck in the seventies blokes who thought that 'Love Thy Neighbour' wasn't really racist
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I don't.cricketfieldclarets wrote:I can’t believe you still stalk Tim.
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Jesus ******* Christ. The things that some people on this board seem to view as acceptable if it means scoring a cheap point against another poster.
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"Cheeky monkey" is an old-fashioned phrase and one which has to be used with care.
Context is everything, and I don't really see a big problem if I say it to one of my grandchildren, but I'm not sure the term "cheeky monkey" would be acceptable if said to a black child by a white adult, (or even child).
Just imagine the reaction if a black child went home from school and said my teacher said I'm a cheeky monkey. I've a feeling it would be a serious disciplinary matter.
Context is everything, and I don't really see a big problem if I say it to one of my grandchildren, but I'm not sure the term "cheeky monkey" would be acceptable if said to a black child by a white adult, (or even child).
Just imagine the reaction if a black child went home from school and said my teacher said I'm a cheeky monkey. I've a feeling it would be a serious disciplinary matter.
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I think given he seems to have targeted black players with terms fairly overtly racist I'd say this one is quite clear cut. The first one below in particular, is unquestionably racially motivated.
Beardsley said: "You should be used to that" to one or more black players of African origin at a team-building event at Go Ape
He questioned the legitimacy of the age of black players - "a negative stereotype that players of black African origin commit fraud as to their true age", the FA panel said, and
He called a player of black African origin a monkey during a game of head tennis.
I have a lot less sympathy for him than say, Danny Baker, who I think genuinely didn't or doesn't use the term in this way and was (aside from being naïve and a bit thoughtless) the victim of retrospective context fit by others determined to be outraged.
Beardsley is obviously different, whether it's a product of his upbringing or something more sinister his comments were clearly charged with racism and a conscious decision to treat them differently.
Beardsley said: "You should be used to that" to one or more black players of African origin at a team-building event at Go Ape
He questioned the legitimacy of the age of black players - "a negative stereotype that players of black African origin commit fraud as to their true age", the FA panel said, and
He called a player of black African origin a monkey during a game of head tennis.
I have a lot less sympathy for him than say, Danny Baker, who I think genuinely didn't or doesn't use the term in this way and was (aside from being naïve and a bit thoughtless) the victim of retrospective context fit by others determined to be outraged.
Beardsley is obviously different, whether it's a product of his upbringing or something more sinister his comments were clearly charged with racism and a conscious decision to treat them differently.
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Has anybody heard this man speak .
A mouth full of marbles.
A dialect and accent from a lucid LSD fuelled nightmare.
A tongue meant for a giraffe.
All contributing factors clearly pointing to discrimination against disability. How can we say 100% that this man is guilty when the noises he makes trying to communicate are so incomprehensible . We should hang our heads in shame.
A mouth full of marbles.
A dialect and accent from a lucid LSD fuelled nightmare.
A tongue meant for a giraffe.
All contributing factors clearly pointing to discrimination against disability. How can we say 100% that this man is guilty when the noises he makes trying to communicate are so incomprehensible . We should hang our heads in shame.
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What I find sad about this whole episode is the fact that it has taken a single accusation of racism to bring this man to book while the numerous accusations of extreme bullying were ignored for years.
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Can you imagine being bullied by that ugly little freak,life wouldn't be worth living.
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It wasn't a single accusation, but I get your point, though his original suspension from Newcastle was for bullyingChobulous wrote:What I find sad about this whole episode is the fact that it has taken a single accusation of racism to bring this man to book while the numerous accusations of extreme bullying were ignored for years.
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Now explain hypocrisy.
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Another statement of hypocrisy by Steve 1956, attempted to be wrapped in humour, which is probably the excuse used by Beardsley.
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The sad fact is that Peter Beardsley is not very bright and lost himself once his playing days were over. If you walk past SJP you are always likely to see PB, likewise in Tesco's, always over friendly wanting to be recognised and loved. As to his coaching, Glenn Roeder spotted there was a problem and downgraded him to Ambassador but Ashley moved him back up to coaching.
Yes guilty of racist remarks but Newcastle Utd are also to blame, a badly run club.
Yes guilty of racist remarks but Newcastle Utd are also to blame, a badly run club.
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Darnhill Claret wrote:Another statement of hypocrisy by Steve 1956, attempted to be wrapped in humour, which is probably the excuse used by Beardsley.
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And while I'm on it, the people that claim they've only heard the term, cheeky monkey, rather than monkey or 'you monkey' is both amazing and quite frankly, unbelievable.
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I can’t recall hearing an adult call another adult a monkey. It’s just not something that you call someone.Darnhill Claret wrote:And while I'm on it, the people that claim they've only heard the term, cheeky monkey, rather than monkey or 'you monkey' is both amazing and quite frankly, unbelievable.
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nil_desperandum wrote:"Cheeky monkey" is an old-fashioned phrase and one which has to be used with care.
Context is everything, and I don't really see a big problem if I say it to one of my grandchildren, but I'm not sure the term "cheeky monkey" would be acceptable if said to a black child by a white adult, (or even child).
Just imagine the reaction if a black child went home from school and said my teacher said I'm a cheeky monkey. I've a feeling it would be a serious disciplinary matter.
Could one not make the argument that its infact 'more racist' to not call a black child a 'cheeky monkey' if all of the other kids in the class get called that when they act like, well act like a 'cheeky monkey'.
As with anything, context/usage is everything.
I can't comment on the Beardsley case as I don't know anything about it.
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No you couldn't. Calling a black child a monkey in any context is so clearly unacceptable.CoolClaret wrote:Could one not make the argument that its infact 'more racist' to not call a black child a 'cheeky monkey' if all of the other kids in the class get called that when they act like, well act like a 'cheeky monkey'.
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Sorry, I didn't mean in adult to adult. As clubs have very young children in their charge, I did assume we were talking adult to young people. Cheeky monkey, you monkey, little monkey are all common terms. I think when 'monkey' stands alone it gets much more personal and when that happens, questions need to be asked. In that case it becomes indefensible.
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Gareth Bale looks like a monkey.
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Peter Beardsley was coaching an under 23 team - not children. He also didn’t use the term ‘cheeky monkey’ - he used the term in a racial context. Not sure why people are muddying the waters - he racially abused a player and was punished accordingly.Darnhill Claret wrote:Sorry, I didn't mean in adult to adult. As clubs have very young children in their charge, I did assume we were talking adult to young people. Cheeky monkey, you monkey, little monkey are all common terms. I think when 'monkey' stands alone it gets much more personal and when that happens, questions need to be asked. In that case it becomes indefensible.
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