Defence options
Defence options
Is it time after 6 conceded for a change and give Gibson a chance or are Tarks and Mee undroppable.
Also Taylor has to come back in for Pieters.
If no Gibson sat then time to cash in and sell in Jan and try and get recoup half of the fee we paid for him.
Also Taylor has to come back in for Pieters.
If no Gibson sat then time to cash in and sell in Jan and try and get recoup half of the fee we paid for him.
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If we sold Gibson, you'd no doubt be the first to complain that we don't have adequate cover at centre back.
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No.
Taylor for Pieters needs to be the first change. Our best left back now needs a run in the side.
Taylor for Pieters needs to be the first change. Our best left back now needs a run in the side.
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Taylor in, perhaps, but I'm not convinced, particularly against Sheff Utd.
No other changes required. See what happens in the next four games.
No other changes required. See what happens in the next four games.
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Anyone wanting Gibson to play can't have seen him actually play.
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The one change that could happen in my opinion is Bardsley for Lowton, he had a very poor game on Saturday.
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We have one premier league start and 1 goalLancasterclaret wrote:Anyone wanting Gibson to play can't have seen him actually play.
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We have 2 brilliant centre halves in Mee and Tarks; they are the envy of many clubs, I am sure SD would never drop either of them,nor would I wish him to.Taylor, on the other hand,has been unlucky not to regain his place and I would like him back in the side.I do think,however, that if we had got the draw at Leicester I don't think we would be discussing changes in the defence.
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Plenty of mistakes from the last 2 games suggest otherwise from all the defence
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The fullbacks are the *real* issue atm. Taylor straight back in and prioritising a new right back is needed.
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Were Leicester better than us?BOYSIE31 wrote:Plenty of mistakes from the last 2 games suggest otherwise from all the defence
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Too many of our regulars have been allowed to become undroppable. It's not an ideal situation when virtually half your team know they're guaranteed to play no matter what.
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Yes they beat usSpijed wrote:Were Leicester better than us?
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When did we concede 6?BOYSIE31 wrote:Is it time after 6 conceded for a change and give Gibson a chance or are Tarks and Mee undroppable.
Also Taylor has to come back in for Pieters.
If no Gibson sat then time to cash in and sell in Jan and try and get recoup half of the fee we paid for him.
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That could well be the case. How many games(especially at Turf Moor) has he started?Lancasterclaret wrote:Anyone wanting Gibson to play can't have seen him actually play.
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Has Gibson any experience playing right back?
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Improve the midfield and it will improve the defence.
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I think that's right and been the case for a while, although we can't get away from the fact that down our left, McNeil - for all he's one of the first names on the teamsheet for his attacking excellence - isn't always the best at reacting defensively (see Leicester winner). We concede a lot more crosses earlier in the build up than we used to.SGr wrote:The fullbacks are the *real* issue atm. Taylor straight back in and prioritising a new right back is needed.
Not sure about Pieters defensively yet, and whilst Lowton has generally been Ok for me recently, I'm most definitely not convinced he's regained his form of 2017/18, and I wasn't very impressed by him on Saturday evening. I'd tend to agree with the argument that, along with a new central midfielder, a right back is about our biggest priority right now.
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No need for any change to the defence based on individual errors....
I don’t think there’ll be any changes
I don’t think there’ll be any changes
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The EU Army is all the defence we need
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We were robbed at Leicester or there would be nothing to moan about there. 4 conceded against Chelsea is not great but they are looking a great side at the moment who can and will score 4 again this season and who could have legislated for a worldy of a performance from Pulisic? I think panic button is the phrase here. Our defence is recognised as one of the better ones in the PL and after Leicester's demolition of Southampton and the fact that no one expected us to get any points from these two games I don't think we should be worrying too much. If I was a Watford, Southampton or Newcastle fan I would be worrying a good deal more.
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I'm not sure that is quite right. I think there are only about 6 teams who have conceded more than us this season, and we conceded 68 in total last season. 27 of those came in the dramatically better second half of the season - which is in line with the 1.5 goals a game we are conceding so far this season. That's an OK-defensive record, but it's not great - particularly for a team who are not especially free scoring for the most part.houseboy wrote:We were robbed at Leicester or there would be nothing to moan about there. 4 conceded against Chelsea is not great but they are looking a great side at the moment who can and will score 4 again this season and who could have legislated for a worldy of a performance from Pulisic? I think panic button is the phrase here. Our defence is recognised as one of the better ones in the PL and after Leicester's demolition of Southampton and the fact that no one expected us to get any points from these two games I don't think we should be worrying too much. If I was a Watford, Southampton or Newcastle fan I would be worrying a good deal more.
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Absolutely no way we should be considering dropping Tarkowski or Mee who both continue to be excellent. I'm surprised anyone could think now is the right time to do so. I happen to rate Gibson from what I've seen of him but see no justification for him starting the next game without a forced change. Like others have said I would bring in Taylor for Pieters though.
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claretspice wrote:I'm not sure that is quite right. I think there are only about 6 teams who have conceded more than us this season, and we conceded 68 in total last season. 27 of those came in the dramatically better second half of the season - which is in line with the 1.5 goals a game we are conceding so far this season. That's an OK-defensive record, but it's not great - particularly for a team who are not especially free scoring for the most part.
But we are scoring now in virtually every game so we have improved going forward and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the defence beyond a few individual errors
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I would consider bringing in Taylor, but that's about it. Like mentioned above, I wouldn't even consider the option of moving Tarks or Mee out. Not a chance. I know the majority on here don't consider who we are playing against, so I'll say, keep Lowton in for now.
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Chelsea at home have become our bogey side.
At home i would like to know how many goals they have scored at Turfmoor in the last 4 seasons its above average we concede anyhow.
They seem to relish coming here and always turn on the style against us a few weeks ago i thought we had a real chance of turning them over but Lampard has really made his stamp on the team and they always seem to peak when up against us
At home i would like to know how many goals they have scored at Turfmoor in the last 4 seasons its above average we concede anyhow.
They seem to relish coming here and always turn on the style against us a few weeks ago i thought we had a real chance of turning them over but Lampard has really made his stamp on the team and they always seem to peak when up against us
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Pieters was to blame for both Villa goals, but Tarkowski/Mee were at fault for the slack marking against Brighton and the free header on Saturdayclaretspice wrote:I think that's right and been the case for a while, although we can't get away from the fact that down our left, McNeil - for all he's one of the first names on the teamsheet for his attacking excellence - isn't always the best at reacting defensively (see Leicester winner). We concede a lot more crosses earlier in the build up than we used to.
Not sure about Pieters defensively yet, and whilst Lowton has generally been Ok for me recently, I'm most definitely not convinced he's regained his form of 2017/18, and I wasn't very impressed by him on Saturday evening. I'd tend to agree with the argument that, along with a new central midfielder, a right back is about our biggest priority right now.
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FactualFrank wrote:Improve the midfield and it will improve the defence.
Good good point - but not going to happen any time soon.
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Going back to the games where we should be taking points, we defended very well against Southampton, Everton and Norwich at home where the entire defence looked very good.
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Spijed wrote:Pieters was to blame for both Villa goals, but Tarkowski/Mee were at fault for the slack marking against Brighton and the free header on Saturday
And Mee at fault for Vardy's goal as he never even jumped with him.
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Claretspice, whilst only 6 teams have conceded less, only 7 teams have scored more.
Perhaps we are evolving our framework.
Perhaps we are evolving our framework.
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Vardy's goal was one of those instances where the striker was able to attack the ball with real purpose, unlike the defender in this case Mee. Haven't seen it back but I wasn't at all convinced Mee was at fault at the time.BOYSIE31 wrote:And Mee at fault for Vardy's goal as he never even jumped with him.
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I didn't hold Mee responsible for the Vardy header either. I thought the issue was that the cross ended up coming in from much closer to the byline than Mee initially had the right to expect, which is a function of the fact the cross came in a bit easily. It made it very hard for Mee to do anything to prevent Vardy getting onto the cross.
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claretspice wrote:I didn't hold Mee responsible for the Vardy header either. I thought the issue was that the cross ended up coming in from much closer to the byline than Mee initially had the right to expect, which is a function of the fact the cross came in a bit easily. It made it very hard for Mee to do anything to prevent Vardy getting onto the cross.
But Vardy was fine to react ??
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Yes because his position was different and he was able to attack the ball.BOYSIE31 wrote:But Vardy was fine to react ??
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The header on saturday, Jay Rod was marking Pulisic when the corner came in .. Lowton gave it straight back to the
taker instead of clearing the danger .. The ball was put back into the box and Pulisic was left unmarked
taker instead of clearing the danger .. The ball was put back into the box and Pulisic was left unmarked
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I would bring Taylor in immediately. You can't drop Tarks or Mee, but you can tell them to try and stop playing as if they were Beckenbauer. Bardsley for Lowton, possibly at Sheffield?
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Bards ain’t quick enough to get the block in on the byline , though Lowton is struggling a bit. Ultimately we lack a high class midfielder to “ put everything through” though we’ve not been that bad really in 2 very tough games
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Bring on Danny Drinkwhatever, that would helpAlargeClaret wrote:Bards ain’t quick enough to get the block in on the byline , though Lowton is struggling a bit. Ultimately we lack a high class midfielder to “ put everything through” though we’ve not been that bad really in 2 very tough games
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Mee had to beat Vardy in the air. Not Giroud, not Deeney, not Murray, not Carroll but Jamie Vardy.
Some people really have their favorites...
Some people really have their favorites...
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6 conceded against 2 top 6 sides and 3 scored is not the end of the world. There was a time when it would've been 8-10 conceded and none scored.
We're well placed.
We're well placed.
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It was about that specific goal and build up to it, not how good Vardy is in the air compared to others generally. However I believe you underrate his ability to head the ball. Also half of the players you've referred to above have fewer headed PL goals than him.superdimitri wrote:Mee had to beat Vardy in the air. Not Giroud, not Deeney, not Murray, not Carroll but Jamie Vardy.
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https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... tt_hd_goal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;superdimitri wrote:Mee had to beat Vardy in the air. Not Giroud, not Deeney, not Murray, not Carroll but Jamie Vardy.
Some people really have their favorites...
Players with the most headed goals this season..
Jamie Vardy and Chris Wood.... 3 each so far.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... tt_hd_goal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Vardy got 3 last season, equal to Deeney's tally.
I think your perception of certain players is a little off.
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Drop the goalkeeper for not integrating with the defence and bring back … oh wait.
I think Taylor for Pieters will shore up the left hand side. On the right both Bardsley and Lowton have their weaknesses so it is a toss of the coin.I would, marginally go for Bardsley owing to his determination but I do not see them in training
One last point, many on here have been crying out for more expansive football. We are now scoring more goals and conceding more must be the price. What do our fans want, seems like they are always unhappy
I think Taylor for Pieters will shore up the left hand side. On the right both Bardsley and Lowton have their weaknesses so it is a toss of the coin.I would, marginally go for Bardsley owing to his determination but I do not see them in training
One last point, many on here have been crying out for more expansive football. We are now scoring more goals and conceding more must be the price. What do our fans want, seems like they are always unhappy
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taio wrote:It was about that specific goal and build up to it, not how good Vardy is in the air compared to others generally. However I believe you underrate his ability to head the ball. Also half of the players you've referred to above have fewer headed PL goals than him.
Yeah, the same Vardy that scored an amazing 3 headers total last year, 3 the year before that and 1 the year before that and only 2 out of his 24 league winning goals the season before that were from headers.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... tt_hd_goal
Players with the most headed goals this season..
Jamie Vardy and Chris Wood.... 3 each so far.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... tt_hd_goal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Vardy got 3 last season, equal to Deeney's tally.
I think your perception of certain players is a little off.
I guess Ben Mee has gifted him the chance to get 4 this year. I think you need to look at things again if you think Vardy is one of the "better" players in the air.
Point is, he isn't exactly a weapon the air compared to some players we face in this league. if you can't see that I don't know what you can see. Mee is small but Vardy isn't even taller than him either..
If a cross is whipped in as good as the one was against us then its a dual between striker and defender, nothing more than that. Mee lost when he should have won. He was in a position to do so, just didn't jump for some reason.
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You'd have a real point if there were players smashing in a large number of headed goals each season, but there isn't and Sadio Mane scored the most last season with 6 and he's only 5ft 9 so in theory you'd think he wouldn't be much of a threat.
Vardy is 5ft 10..
You're battering our captain over pretty much naff all....
Vardy is 5ft 10..
You're battering our captain over pretty much naff all....
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Again, always better to look at more than the last 2 games - against 2 of the top 4 teams! We've conceded 15 goals in 10 games, having played Arsenal and Leicester away and Liverpool and Chelsea at home. I don't think that's too bad. We look better going forward this season and, apart from a few individual mistakes which we have been punished for, we have defended pretty well on the whole.
I think Taylor in for Pieters would be my only change if I'm being ultra critical but I don't worry about our defence too much.
I think Taylor in for Pieters would be my only change if I'm being ultra critical but I don't worry about our defence too much.
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Saints have conceded about the same amount in half the games
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Lowton is not a bad full back but he is having a bad run of form. I dont think Bardsley is much of an improvenent so think Sean will not change things.
As for Pieters, then I think that is a more difficult decision. I think Taylor just edges it for me and was certainly playing really well before his injury, i think Sean will play him on Saturday and rest Pieters.
As for Pieters, then I think that is a more difficult decision. I think Taylor just edges it for me and was certainly playing really well before his injury, i think Sean will play him on Saturday and rest Pieters.
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Well goals are relative to chances. Top headers of the ball either aren't playing or if they are, for teams that don't create enough chances for them to score.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You'd have a real point if there were players smashing in a large number of headed goals each season, but there isn't and Sadio Mane scored the most last season with 6 and he's only 5ft 9 so in theory you'd think he wouldn't be much of a threat.
Vardy is 5ft 10..
You're battering our captain over pretty much naff all....
Point is Vardy is not strong in the air compared to others and shouldn't be hard for Mee to deal with in that respect...for some reason he just didn't jump.
Not slating Mee, just pointing out that I think he was to blame for that goal when others have said he was faultless. Both him and Vardy could have got to the ball and he was beaten far post by someone same size as him (and Ben is small for a centre half).
Also, Ben Mee is 180cm whilst Vardy 179, so not sure where the extra foot in favor of Vardy came from? Maybe he was wearing heels when he was measured.