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Who are our scouts and who are they watching?

Post by Mala591 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:01 am

Can I suggest an emergency letter from SD to refocus our scouting attention to central midfield Championship players who have natural pace and athleticism as two basic requirements.
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Post by groove » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:03 am

Mala591 wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:01 am
Can I suggest an emergency letter from SD to refocus our scouting attention to central midfield Championship players who have natural pace and athleticism as two basic requirements.
Stoke

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:16 am

Mala591 wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:01 am
Can I suggest an emergency letter from SD to refocus our scouting attention to central midfield Championship players who have natural pace and athleticism as two basic requirements.
The one everyone wanted this summer was quoted at £30m +, we don't that have that for one player - especially unproven at Premier League Level

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Post by beddie » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:16 am

I agree that pace is a problem both for and against us. I also agree with your point Mala, it really is where we should be shopping. Rigg will no doubt have an extensive data base of players, I really hope we have a number identified that we can attract.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:20 am

To answer the OP, we have a lot of scouts at all levels working for Martin Hodge who is head of recruitment. Rightly though we do not sign players without them being the manager’s choice.

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Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:40 am

Stoke and West Brom seemingly.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:59 am

They will have the candidates in place for the summer window

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:16 pm

We heard that last summer...

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Post by warksclaret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:19 pm

..and the three Summers before then
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Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:28 pm

They never specified which summer

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Post by ŽižkovClaret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 pm

Joe Allen would be a logical January signing. Stoke player or not

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:16 pm
We heard that last summer...
Thats hard to swallow... and as everyone knows.

One swallow does not a summer make....

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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:01 am
Can I suggest an emergency letter from SD to refocus our scouting attention to central midfield Championship players who have natural pace and athleticism as two basic requirements.
And we are expected to remain at the top level doing this? This is going to be our ultimate downfall if we keep thinking like that. We got Vydra the season after he was amazing in the Championship, Dyche won't even use him for whatever reason. Gibson doesn't get a sniff. We must start looking at the PL or abroad if we want to move on because at the moment we are completely out of our depth against the big six when other teams are for the most part at least giving them a game.
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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:32 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm
Thats hard to swallow... and as everyone knows.

One swallow does not a summer make....
What a swift retort Boss.

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:33 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:01 am
Can I suggest an emergency letter from SD to refocus our scouting attention to central midfield Championship players who have natural pace and athleticism as two basic requirements.
Why championship ?

Plenty of other leagues around the world

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:20 am
To answer the OP, we have a lot of scouts at all levels working for Martin Hodge who is head of recruitment. Rightly though we do not sign players without them being the manager’s choice.
And there lies our biggest problem

And from a very good source he didnt want Vyrda either

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:39 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 pm
Joe Allen would be a logical January signing. Stoke player or not
I would rather we concentrate on players who will get better or playing at their peak.

The older players Dyche has signed on the downward curve haven't worked out for us at all.

Lennon, Hart etc

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Post by Papabendi » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:41 pm

my biggest problem with the recruitment is we tend to buy the same profile of player again and again...from the same source.
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Post by jojomk1 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:46 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:41 pm
my biggest problem with the recruitment is we tend to buy the same profile of player again and again...from the same source.
Because they are the only ones that fit SD's outdated tactic

I thought about saying tactics but that would have meant having a Plan B

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:46 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:32 pm
What a swift retort Boss.
That reply will have some 'twitching' in their chairs Ian m8 :lol:

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Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:48 pm

I'm not sure if this is due to our financial limits, but he does seem to prefer people who will put a shift in, over someone who may not work to 100% every game, but simply has far more technical ability than we currently have.

IMO this is something we are severely lacking. More technical players.

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Post by gawthorpe_view » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:49 pm

Cubs.
Brownies.
General Custer.

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:54 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:48 pm
I'm not sure if this is due to our financial limits, but he does seem to prefer people who will put a shift in, over someone who may not work to 100% every game, but simply has far more technical ability than we currently have.

IMO this is something we are severely lacking. More technical players.
And thats the thing when they dont put a shift in like the last 3 games we look ordinary and awful

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Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:56 pm

We're waiting to see Stoke's retained list. (Our chief scout has a username on their fan's forum allegedly)
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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:05 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:46 pm
That reply will have some 'twitching' in their chairs Ian m8 :lol:
The Spurs fans will be crowing because Son is no turkey and wears a cockerel on his shirt.

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Post by Blackrod » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:18 pm

I’m sure there are players out there who could do a better job for us in midfield and at right back. Is it the rigidity of ‘ the Framework’ that is not working at the moment that determines who Dyche will have/play ? When was the last time we actually surprised the opposition with either tactics or individual skill ?

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Post by SGr » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:23 pm

They’re watching tier 2 championship players. Players who would do an ok(?) job for us, run around a lot, but ultimately be playing at the absolute limit of their abilities.

Basically, they’re watching Preston.

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Post by MACCA » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:54 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:05 pm
The Spurs fans will be crowing because Son is no turkey and wears a cockerel on his shirt.
Stop being a tit...
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Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:26 pm

MACCA wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:54 pm
Stop being a tit...
I'm only larking about.
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Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:52 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:26 pm
I'm only larking about.
:lol:

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Post by jojomk1 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:13 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:49 pm
Cubs.
Brownies.
General Custer.
They better be careful - you can get arrested for that :o

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Post by Firthy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:20 pm

SD and the board will surprise everybody in January when we sign Bowen and Eze :)

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:21 pm

the only issue I have is we don't seem to (for the most part) aim at improving the starting eleven. We bring in decent squad players to "add to the competitiveness of the group" but from the outside looking in that doesn't seem to be particularly working. Taylor is an absolute shoe in, not much to choose between Bardsley or Lowton, Gibson and Vydra have been a complete waste of money etc. I'm not saying it's easy to sign players, far from it, but to me the approach to actually improving the starting 11 seems way off the mark.
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Post by bfcjg » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:32 pm

They hang around Peter Crouche's garden.

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Post by MACCA » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:41 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:21 pm
the only issue I have is we don't seem to (for the most part) aim at improving the starting eleven. We bring in decent squad players to "add to the competitiveness of the group" but from the outside looking in that doesn't seem to be particularly working. Taylor is an absolute shoe in, not much to choose between Bardsley or Lowton, Gibson and Vydra have been a complete waste of money etc. I'm not saying it's easy to sign players, far from it, but to me the approach to actually improving the starting 11 seems way off the mark.

Improve your starting 11, and you automatically improve the squad.
Buying players to add layers or depth isnt what's needed unless the player starting is all but dropable and you get either an up and coming star or a seasoned pro to step in , in the odd time needed.

We dont have any real undropable players , just a few that dont need upgrading.

You could argue we could and possibly should upgrade 5 or 6 regulars, and I'm not saying all at once, just 1 or 2 a season and you keep things fresh and keep improving year on year.

Sadly for the last 3 windows we've not signed a first team player, and a few have got comfortable in their roles eith what seems no real fear of being dropped

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Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:49 pm

MACCA wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:41 pm
Improve your starting 11, and you automatically improve the squad.
Buying players to add layers or depth isnt what's needed unless the player starting is all but dropable and you get either an up and coming star or a seasoned pro to step in , in the odd time needed.

We dont have any real undropable players , just a few that dont need upgrading.

You could argue we could and possibly should upgrade 5 or 6 regulars, and I'm not saying all at once, just 1 or 2 a season and you keep things fresh and keep improving year on year.

Sadly for the last 3 windows we've not signed a first team player, and a few have got comfortable in their roles eith what seems no real fear of being dropped
The sensible way for us to go would be to try and improve gradually, I.e by improving one position every summer. As you say we've allowed a situation to develop where we now need 2 or 3 players who are pretty much ready to walk into the starting XI for next season.

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:58 am

Recruitment wise, we are really in a bad place now.

Our strategy was always to cherry pick the best of the Championship.

Now, Championship players are out of our price range.

Where do we go from here? Cherry pick from League One?

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:00 am

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 pm
Joe Allen would be a logical January signing. Stoke player or not
I'd actually be fine with this. He's very capable at PL level and still only 29.

Wages would be the issue.

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Post by superdimitri » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:28 am

Maybe there's nothing wrong with us scouting players and we need to work better instead at scouting scouts.
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Post by Zenwisdom » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:04 am

Man City would not be a bad idea find a Trippier and Mee .
Does not appear to be anyone coming through the ranks as yet :?:

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Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:03 am

I havent seen the Dyche type players put a shift in over the last 2 games

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:10 am

Zenwisdom wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:04 am
Man City would not be a bad idea find a Trippier and Mee .
Does not appear to be anyone coming through the as yet :?:
Their Academy is a proper business now and their prospects are priced the same (if not more than) those in the Championship with actual competitive experience - without it City would never have made operating profits in recent seasons

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Post by MT03ALG » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:34 pm

I keep recommending German-based players to BFC. I recommended Grifo and Phillip but they ignored me. We could still possibly get both although Phillip is now playing in Russia. Grifo is back at SC Freiburg.

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