General Election Is On

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:53 am

aggi wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:45 am
So, with the likely good performance of the Tories and the SNP is this the beginning of the end for the United Kingdom?

That will be down to the Scottish electorate,but the more the unionist parties are seen to be blocking the Scottish people having a say,the more they'll alienate more voters,whether they are pro-indy or pro-union.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:55 am

"Bercow looks like he's just read his wife's WhatsApp history"

*Stolen from twitter

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:55 am

A silly gain in Putney ????

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:56 am

What happens now to the poor the disabled and the disadvantaged?

Serious question!

The only good news is that this must mean the end of Jeremy Corbyn
But who will succeed him?

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:59 am

mkmel wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:56 am
What happens now to the poor the disabled and the disadvantaged?

Serious question!

The only good news is that this must mean the end of Jeremy Corbyn
But who will succeed him?

Corbyn Mk 2 I expect, I hope, but if not Alistair Campbell.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:00 am

LordBob wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:55 am
A silly gain in Putney ????

London will go against the grain,one silver lining for Labour.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:03 am

Look on the (Not so) bright side, Labour are leading at the moment.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:06 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:51 am
Snipped because Ringo thinks "shouting" makes him big and clever

Spectacular levels of self-delusion, I've actually provided links to you lying but you still try and deny it. If anything has brightened up this sorry serial of incompetent parties, fake news and lying it's been you and your denial of reality.

Ultimately I'll probably be personally better off under Johnson but I don't feel so confident it will benefit those feckers at the bottom.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:07 am

LordBob wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:59 am
Corbyn Mk 2 I expect, I hope, but if not Alistair Campbell.

Ah our Alistair. How irrelevant has he just become...again!? Likes backing the wrong horse does that lad.

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:08 am

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:07 am
Ah our Alistair. How irrelevant has he just become...again!? Likes backing the wrong horse does that lad.

Wasn't he kicked out of the Labour Party for not bowing down to the Corbyn cult?

He helped Blair win three elections.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:11 am

I suspect this hefty majority will lead to an unsatisfying Brexit for many of those who think that Brexit will see a big split from the EU and a huge cut in immigration. The ERG will be sidelined, the Brexit party is gone, Johnson will favour a gentle hit to the economy, even if it involves sucking up to the EU, rather than his reputation taking a hit with an economic collapse under hard brexit.

(Worryingly Farage agrees with me on Sky News at the moment)

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 am

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:08 am
Wasn't he kicked out of the Labour Party for not bowing down to the Corbyn cult?

He helped Blair win three elections.

Everytime i have seen him he couldn't wait to say "Peoples Vote" at every opportunity. That coupled with his implicity in the Iraq war..his record isn't the best in recent times.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 am

Speak of the devil..on BBC now.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:16 am

He clearly isn't a fan of Corbyn is he? Maybe he is right on something. He's actually saying much the same as i think. I'm shocked.

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:18 am

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 am
Speak of the devil..on BBC now.

And he made an excellent point - excluding Blair, no Labour leader has completed a full-term in power for 50 years.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 am

aggi wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:11 am
I suspect this hefty majority will lead to an unsatisfying Brexit for many of those who think that Brexit will see a big split from the EU and a huge cut in immigration. The ERG will be sidelined, the Brexit party is gone, Johnson will favour a gentle hit to the economy, even if it involves sucking up to the EU, rather than his reputation taking a hit with an economic collapse under hard brexit.

(Worryingly Farage agrees with me on Sky News at the moment)

Mood at the EU summit is that, they believe, Johnson, unencumbered by the hardline eurosceptics in his party, will be tempted by the bait of a quick deal negotiated on EU terms with possibly huge levels of alignment. In all honesty a trade agreement materially similar to that of Norway would be perfect because it assuages the deepest fears of remainers, and the leavers will have forgotten about 'making our own trade deals' in the euphoria of victory. A fudge, essentially. Out of the EU and with no power of influence, but materially unchanged.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:21 am

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 am
Speak of the devil..on BBC now.

Then on comes the real devil in all this. The chair of Momentum.

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:21 am
Then on comes the real devil in all this. The chair of Momentum.

Amen. Socialism is a cancer and the rebranded Militant types need to be marginalized if Labour ever hope to be electable.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:26 am

One factor for whomever wants to run Labour next is Momentum, the grassroots campaigning organisation which did so much to propel Jeremy Corbyn into power and keep him there.

Laura Parker, who runs the group, says it is "unquestionable that Labour's policies are popular" and there is "absolutely no appetite to go back to the centrist policies of old".

But she says the party was "squeezed by Brexit and it was the defining issue".

Ms Parker said: "Against that storm, we built a huge movement of hundreds of thousands of ordinary people and they won't stop until we see real change in this country.

"We will resist Johnson's attempt to destroy our NHS. We will keep the Labour Party socialist.

"We will build a Britain for the many, not the few."

Doesn't sound like momentum are backing down,whether Corbyn goes or not,wouldn't surprise me if they where daft enough to elect someone like Diane Abbott,you'd imagine the parliamentary party won't nominate another far-left candidate to the membership,but that could cause internal problems within the party itself.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:28 am

*might be tempted, not will be tempted, to clarify my last post. But they're unsure what Johnson will turn up. I think he'll take the most reconciliatory path possible out of self preservation. He's won big, including among folk who don't care for the details. He doesn't need to play to the fringes anymore.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:29 am

Spiral wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 am
Mood at the EU summit is that, they believe, Johnson, unencumbered by the hardline eurosceptics in his party, will be tempted by the bait of a quick deal negotiated on EU terms with possibly huge levels of alignment. In all honesty a trade agreement materially similar to that of Norway would be perfect because it assuages the deepest fears of remainers, and the leavers will have forgotten about 'making our own trade deals' in the euphoria of victory. A fudge, essentially. Out of the EU and with no power of influence, but materially unchanged.

Perfect? You must be a remainer because that would be pretty sh!t foe everyone.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:30 am

A brutal interview with Jess Philips on Sky News there. Clearly not supporting Corbyn but gutted in general.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:31 am

England is finished!
Labour has been wrecked. It will get an eternal 30% unless it broadens its appeal.

Things can only get better mark 2 needed!

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:32 am

BennyD wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:29 am
Perfect? You must be a remainer because that would be pretty sh!t foe everyone.

For Johnson. It's all politics for him. He'll be able to sell it, I promise you.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:35 am

Turnout in Burnley only 60%,clearly plenty of people in the town don't give a s**t about their future

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:36 am

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:32 am
Ringo, I do feel you have been picked on unfairly and it looked to me that you had to resort to certain ' crazy' methods to stand up to the posters you have quite rightly singled out. As they started from a point of weakness they should have showed more willingness to debate fairly, so I think you were justified.
I post as someone who has been consistently undermined , accused of being your alter ego. Like yourself I have not let these same posters wear me down.
I think the only thing I would like to read as you 'celebrate' your ' victory' is some kind of apology for accusing me of being one of these posters , albeit at a time I think you were under some stress

First, yes, I hold my hand up. I did think that you were a p*** take to discredit me. A bit like when people set up bogus twitter accounts. So I give you a sincere apology. Absolutely.

When I first joined this messageboard after Claretsmad I , for a good couple of years , engaged with other posters, assuming fellow clarets would be fair, basically. Eventually I realised it was absolutely pointless. I watched others get exactly the same treatment. There's a gaggle of rather cowardly remoaners and left wing , so called, "liberals" who've regularly turned on any individual who've put their head above the parapet. I've seen exactly the same tactics used over and over again on other posters. It hasn't just been me by any stretch. Consequently, I gave up trying to be reasonable, genuinely prepared to have a fair minded debate. It was pointless, so I treat most if them with the sheer contempt they'd come to deserve.

Bizarrely, had they been more reasonable, this moment may not feel as grand as it does! Many , many of the things I predicted came to pass. Many of the views I expressed have proven to be shared by the vast , vast majority of British people. The results coming through prove it and tonight vindicates pretty much most of what I've been saying for the last 3 and a half years!

DEMOCRACY- MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, I SEEM TO WIN

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:42 am

Tony Bliar your boys took one hell of a beating!

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:42 am

Agreed and, because we seem to be closely aligned,I ride on your coat tails. I got seriously p!ssed off by the er, less enlightened on this forum and departed for a while. You, however, stayed and fought your corner so much respect from me. Respect.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:42 am

Michael Heseltine your boys took one hell of a beating!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:43 am

The people of Burnley will never vote tory

barba · Post by **barba** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:43 am

Burnley now claret and blue blue

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:43 am

Damo wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:43 am
The people of Burnley will never vote tory

They might have voted against Labour, though.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:44 am

Madam Gina Miller where are you now!

Madam Thornberry, Lady Nugee where are!?

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:44 am

Burnley goes Conservative.
Who would have thought it?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:44 am

BennyD wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:03 am
Look on the (Not so) bright side, Labour are leading at the moment.

Not any more and, hopefully, never again.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:45 am

This is turning into a massacre

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:45 am

Tories in Burnley. Love it. Can't wait for them to help us all out.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:46 am

Julie Cooper. Your treachery has not gone unpunished. YOU ARE FIRED!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 am

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:45 am
Tories in Burnley. Love it. Can't wait for them to help us all out.

Crazy how people living in a utopia like Burnley have voted for change
They must be mad

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 am

Did they call Burnley for the Tories? Bloody hell.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 am

Damo wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 am
Crazy how people living in a utopia like Burnley have voted for change
They must be mad

And the tories are the party to help out a town like burnley?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:49 am

Tory Burnley. First since 1910. Love it

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:50 am

Break out the champagne, Burnley is now true Tory blue. I almost feel sorry for all the liberal lefties on here. Come on, let's be havin you!!

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:52 am

It's a total massacre. Could be the Tory equivalent of 1997.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:52 am

Burnley - Conservative. What a great night. Remainers; is this the people’s vote you desperately wanted? Of course not: you’ll never accept any result you don’t agree with. W4nkers.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:53 am

So what are the genuine benefits of as Tory government in Burnley?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:55 am

Sorry Ringo, I forgot myself.

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:55 am

Ed Miliband's seat is under a recount. Could be the Portillo moment of the night.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:55 am

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:53 am
So what are the genuine benefits of as Tory government in Burnley?

It’s not Labour for starters

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:55 am

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:53 am
So what are the genuine benefits of as Tory government in Burnley?

Don’t ask me, ask the people you live amongst.