Mcneil

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:50 pm

Burnley need to build this team around Mcneil,
He needs to be moved central. All of our good play comes from Him.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:54 pm

no chance he'll be with us next season playing like he did in the second half today

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:54 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:50 pm
Burnley need to build this team around Mcneil,
He needs to be moved central. All of our good play comes from Him.

He won't be playing for us next season,so your suggestion is a non starter

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:57 pm

Money in the bank is all that matters

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:57 pm

For all his excellent attacking work he's very poor positionally.

The 4-3-3 with him as the furthest forward midfielder may work a treat though.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:59 pm

He will move on in the summer and we will go back in for Lansbury

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:02 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:59 pm
He will move on in the summer and we will go back in for Lansbury

I watched the Watford v Villa game today .....I don't think we will he's F*cking shite

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:02 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:59 pm
He will move on in the summer and we will go back in for Lansbury

No. Charlie Adam.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:03 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:02 pm
No. Charlie Adam.

Falls over taking corners,you might be right there buddy.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:04 pm

Either him or JBG could play more centrally. But I dont think we have enough further ahead for it to make much difference. Barnes is our of sorts. JRod is pretty much anonymous. And I dont need to repeat what I think of Wood

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:07 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:04 pm
Either him or JBG could play more centrally. But I dont think we have enough further ahead for it to make much difference. Barnes is our of sorts. JRod is pretty much anonymous. And I dont need to repeat what I think of Wood

Is that Wood ...who is our leading scorer,without him we would be below Norwich,wobble your head for dissing him

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:10 pm

He came strong in the second half and our bright light. Hands up I was for resting him after Everton. I think we learned a few things about our players tonight
Hendrick -if he wont sign lets give his place to JBG who showed some class. He did not seem interested-looks like he wants to get away
Jay- to start ahead of Barnes, who sadly has done little for a a number of games now. On this form Barnesy offers little.Thought JBG and Jay Rod made a difference and hope they start v Villa
Thought the defence (just like v Everton were sound)
We have to start v Villa like we played in the second half today

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:23 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:07 pm
Is that Wood ...who is our leading scorer,without him we would be below Norwich,wobble your head for dissing him

Wobble your own for thinking he does anything more than score tap ins other than be offside and give the ball away. His contribution to the game as a whole is dire. Just watch him for a bit. Its difficult to create anything when he doesnt bother to make any runs to take the pressure off, and whenever the ball comes to him he just loses it. Still. People will continue to quote stats. Did you know Legzdins has conceded fewer goals than Pope this season. I'd say get him in the team!!!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:24 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:23 pm
Wobble your own for thinking he does anything more than score tap ins other than be offside and give the ball away. His contribution to the game as a whole is dire. Just watch him for a bit. Its difficult to create anything when he doesnt bother to make any runs to take the pressure off, and whenever the ball comes to him he just loses it. Still. People will continue to quote stats. Did you know Legzdins has conceded fewer goals than Pope this season. I'd say get him in the team!!!

ok I won't argue with you,your obviously a knob

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:25 pm

Better in the second half.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:26 pm

Very mature Steve. Argue pure stats then argue with an insult

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:30 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:26 pm
Very mature Steve. Argue pure stats then argue with an insult

I'm past caring mate, I don't want to fall out with you....honestly I don't.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:31 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:30 pm
I'm past caring mate, I don't want to fall out with you....honestly I don't.

Agreed

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:42 pm

I was arguing at half time that we should take either Wood or Barnes off and play McNeil as a no. 10 and replace Hendrick with Gudmundsson to keep more possession and take the game to them more. I think Dyche did move McNeil more central and we improved a lot.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:47 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:30 pm
I'm past caring mate, I don't want to fall out with you....honestly I don't.

Put your handbag away steve

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:00 pm

Lol @ criticising Wood, can you remember how poor we were when he wasn't in the side?

He also runs the channels extremely well and scores more than 'tap ins'.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:10 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:00 pm
Lol @ criticising Wood, can you remember how poor we were when he wasn't in the side?

He also runs the channels extremely well and scores more than 'tap ins'.

Was one of his biggest critics last season..mainly for his lack of physicality.. by far the most improved player this season though.imo.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:12 pm

I'm told Charlie Adam ran today's game at Preston.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm

How many of our squad are genuine premier league quality. I would suggest McNeil Tarks for sure. Pope and Mee probably. Could make a case maybe for Wood and Taylor at their best but that’s it

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:24 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm
How many of our squad are genuine premier league quality. I would suggest McNeil Tarks for sure. Pope and Mee probably. Could make a case maybe for Wood and Taylor at their best but that’s it

Maybe JBG when he isn't injured.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:27 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:59 pm
He will move on in the summer and we will go back in for Lansbury

Surely a thread like this should have Dale Stephens name in it!

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:29 pm

McNeil will be a brilliant central attacking midfielder - as he played in the last 15 minutes yesterday. Trouble is that he’s not yet deemed ready to do that every game. He needs building up to do that for us, we can’t rush the development and in the mean time it’s a good option to have.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:41 pm

I'd like to see McNeil play centrally more often, without a doubt. Against teams where a bit more craft is needed to either hold the ball and allow us to manage the game, or to break down a stubborn defence, theres no question in my mind he can add something in that so called "number 10" role.

But the criticism Wood gets is astonishing. His goalscoring record is exemplary, his ability to get on the end if crosses genuinely superb, and he runs the channels hugely effectively. Hes a massive part of our success.
But

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:44 pm

Can't tackle for sh!t, in that respect Dyche probably thinks he does less damage out wide.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:50 pm

For the life of me, i don't understand why some of you guys don't just go and watch another team!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:32 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:50 pm
For the life of me, i don't understand why some of you guys don't just go and watch another team!

Calm down taffy, we would be back down to 5k gates.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:35 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm
How many of our squad are genuine premier league quality. I would suggest McNeil Tarks for sure. Pope and Mee probably. Could make a case maybe for Wood and Taylor at their best but that’s it

Pope is in the England squad so I’d suggest he’s nailed on

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:01 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm
How many of our squad are genuine premier league quality. I would suggest McNeil Tarks for sure. Pope and Mee probably. Could make a case maybe for Wood and Taylor at their best but that’s it

I hope you've forgotten Westwood, rather than written off the last 18 months as a fluke.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:13 pm

The names listed might get into other PL teams but I suspect not every week. Westwood was not even training with the Villa team when they were in the Championship and clubs were not queing up to take him. Occasionally Burnley will get the best out of someone -Jones, Ward,Arfield and Heaton come to mind. All languishing in the lower leagues or not getting a game. In the case of Westwood he has a good assist record but after a tremendous season last year has not been consistent this season-something that cant happen with just 2 CM's

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:14 pm

BBC say he is worth £24.75 million with spurs, Palace and Newcastle interested. Its on their sports site and lists a few players who could move clubs in Jan.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:41 pm

If we give McNeil away for £25m it will be insane
We need to get him out wide left though where his crosses can do damage
Also get him to shoot more as hes got a hammer of left foot

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:35 pm

McNeil is a raw talent but thus far give or take a nice change of pace and the almost unheard of ability to beat a man he’s a work in progress and I’m amazed Dyche doesn’t give him the occasional rest ala Sir Alex used to do back in the day with his young guns.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:56 pm

We could not afford/compete to buy McNeil today if he were at another club, therefor we must keep him for a season or two longer at all costs.

claretgimmer · Post by **claretgimmer** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:16 pm

Trouble is ALC Fergy had other racehorses to replace like for like, SD has only bought workhorses so take DM out and we are bereft of creativity so whilst I agree with you it won't happen.

HieronymousBoschHobs · Post by **HieronymousBoschHobs** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:46 pm

karatekid wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:14 pm
BBC say he is worth £24.75 million with spurs, Palace and Newcastle interested. Its on their sports site and lists a few players who could move clubs in Jan.

I saw that too. When you consider the fees paid recently for other young homegrown talent with experience playing at the top level, we would be mad to sell him for that.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:20 am

HieronymousBoschHobs wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:46 pm
I saw that too. When you consider the fees paid recently for other young homegrown talent with experience playing at the top level, we would be mad to sell him for that.

When the BBC are given responsibility for negotiating transfer fees I'll start to worry about it.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:39 am

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:29 pm
McNeil will be a brilliant central attacking midfielder - as he played in the last 15 minutes yesterday. Trouble is that he’s not yet deemed ready to do that every game. He needs building up to do that for us, we can’t rush the development and in the mean time it’s a good option to have.

But if he is on his away why waste time developing further?

If playing more central works for the team just do it now, if it is not in his long term interests do we care?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:25 am

claretgimmer wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:16 pm
Trouble is ALC Fergy had other racehorses to replace like for like, SD has only bought workhorses so take DM out and we are bereft of creativity so whilst I agree with you it won't happen.

You’re quite right , McNeil is indeed our only creative outlet , just typing that seems almost staggering ( as an established prem club) I’d like us to keep him another season to get a bit more from him and polish him up for a big fee . Not sure of him as CM though due to his tackling but with a quality creative CM alongside him he could really thrive ,which was presumably the original idea with DD before it went t1ts up

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:18 pm

I for one hope McNeil leaves in summer for 40 million plus and gets a massive bumper contract somewhere where he can still develop. Think he deserves it and he’s already out outgrown us at only 20 years old, fair play to the lad.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:48 pm

Like I've said before, if he is going to leave soon, it's best being in the summer after a possible tournament with the full England side. It could add several more million onto his tag.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:52 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:23 pm
How many of our squad are genuine premier league quality. I would suggest McNeil Tarks for sure. Pope and Mee probably. Could make a case maybe for Wood and Taylor at their best but that’s it

JBG surely too? As well as Westwood as stated elsewhere.
What about Brady pre injury?
And Barnes is averaging a goal 1 in 3 over last season and a half. And he is much more than just a goalscorer.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:56 pm

I think he will go this summer too, but I fear once he goes, so does our creativity. No way we will invest the full amount we get into new signings.

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:59 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:56 pm
I think he will go this summer too, but I fear once he goes, so does our creativity. No way we will invest the full amount we get into new signings.

That’s the issue for sure

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:03 pm

I think we'd have gone down last season had he not come in through a forced move due to injuries. We can't get that lucky again when he moves. So it'll be up to the board whether to bring in some quality or go down.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:34 pm

Down_Rover wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:39 am
But if he is on his away why waste time developing further?

If playing more central works for the team just do it now, if it is not in his long term interests do we care?

Who says he’s on his way? I’m suggesting he could be a magnificent attacking central midfielder for us, no one else