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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Interesting the Chris Wilder has took a punt on Jack Rodwell.

Had we done this the usuals would be telling us how we are doing things on the cheap, if his punt works out the same will be moaning we didn't take a chance on him.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:50 pm

Judging by Real Housewives of Cheshire , a show I obviously never watch, a good proportion of our squad live in the Cheshire Stockbroker belt along with many other Northwest Premier League footballers. The fact that the match happens to take place in Burnley is neither here nor there
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by MACCA » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:51 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:45 pm
Would love to hear your opinion.
Itll get deleated, not that its rude or offensive, I just dont want to write it out for it to get deleated.
Seems Mike can't be questioned or come in for stick that he clearly deserves.
But next time you're in miners pop over and I'll tell you my thoughts.

All businesses want to show great profits when wanting to sell. This is the peak time for Mike to make his money

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:52 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:47 pm
Interesting the Chris Wilder has took a punt on Jack Rodwell.

Had we done this the usuals would be telling us how we are doing things on the cheap, if his punt works out the same will be moaning we didn't take a chance on him.
This

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:58 pm

I wonder if after 5 seasons of Premier League Money, Chris Wilder would be taking a punt on Jack Rodwell?
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by MACCA » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:00 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:47 pm
Interesting the Chris Wilder has took a punt on Jack Rodwell.

Had we done this the usuals would be telling us how we are doing things on the cheap, if his punt works out the same will be moaning we didn't take a chance on him.

They'll be one difference, he'll probably get a chance to shine or flop.
Our punts/signings,/calculated risks historically dont usually get that chance.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by alboclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:01 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:22 pm
I would certainly like us to sign some players to go straight into the team but it's obviously difficult to attract them. In the current form we are in, our league position, the fact that we don't pay massive wages etc, we are not a very attractive proposition.
Agree we are not a n attractive proposition.
What's annoying for fans (me anyway) is that after our 7th place finish (seems an age ago now) our stock was, must have been at its highest.
That was the time to make improvements to the squad 2/3 good strong signings ie first teamers.


Missed the boat. A lot harder now.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Greeny » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:02 pm

Nobody can defend our transfer policy, well apart from Leisure who appears to have some very heavy duty claret lenses fitted.

There is not one person on the numerous threads that I have seen on this Messageboard asking for BFC to blow gazillions of pounds on some superstars, the frustration throughout the last umpteen transfer windows, is that we seem incapable of signing any players to add some pace and guile to the squad. We appear to have no scouting network and no clue re the lower leagues and the talent available.

The Rigg/Garlick/Dyche transfer axis has the distinct flavour of "couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery".

But hey ho Leisure, let's keep the bank balance looking healthy whilst continuing to rely on Westwood & Cork. They will fit right in when we are back in the Championship.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:04 pm

Who have we signed since he arrived?

Crouch, Pieters, Rodriguez and Peacock-Farrell?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by BigChaCha » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:06 pm

Or maybe players better than what we have already just don't want to come to Burnley! Certainly if I was a player who had been approached by Burnley and thought, I'll just have a look on their messageboard to see what their fans think of the club and their manager, I would definitely not get a good impression!
We never even get to that stage and in a position for a player to choose between us and another team!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:10 pm

I imagine that Mike Rigg is in contact with agents all the time. The club will know what players' demands are likely to be. It is possible that the upgrades we all want are beyond our means.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:13 pm

Marney&Mee wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:42 pm
It's clear that Dyche is unhappy with the current situation and has tried to raise it publically (bringing Long on up front at Everton, having 2 youngsters on the bench at Spurs, comments about offering some pies for Harry Kane on loan back in the day). We are not willing (rightly so) to pay silly money for bigger names who won't accept 50% less salary clauses in their contract if we went down.
Lets hope for a rabbit out of the hat this Jan. We should be in for Bowen. Cairney at Fulham ?
We'll pull off a shock win soon. I'm sure the players will be thinking, hang on a mo, we could go down here, we need to get our act together...

Long on up front because he needed another header - the other option, of course, would have been to push Tarky up front.
2 youngsters on bench at Spurs because the injuries had piled up that week.
Harry Kane comment - that must have flown right over your head, it was no more than Dyche's sense of humour.

Whether he is unhappy with the current situation or not, and he's very much a big part of it in any case, those three things are not anything to do with it.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:10 pm
I imagine that Mike Rigg is in contact with agents all the time. The club will know what players' demands are likely to be. It is possible that the upgrades we all want are beyond our means.
Wasn't the idea of employing someone like Mr Rigg to find upgrades that are within our means (and that should be surely possible)
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:20 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:10 pm
I imagine that Mike Rigg is in contact with agents all the time. The club will know what players' demands are likely to be. It is possible that the upgrades we all want are beyond our means.
Exactly. There's not a midfielder on planet Earth that's better than Ashley Westwood that would lower themselves sufficiently to play in the Premier League for a lousy 50,000 per week.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:21 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:00 pm
They'll be one difference, he'll probably get a chance to shine or flop.
Our punts/signings,/calculated risks historically dont usually get that chance.
Has Ravel Morrison had that chance at Sheffield Utd?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:22 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:20 pm
Exactly. There's not a midfielder on planet Earth that's better than Ashley Westwood that would lower themselves sufficiently to play in the Premier League for a lousy 50,000 per week.
Or, more astonishingly, a right back better than both Bardsley and Lowton.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:23 pm

BigChaCha wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:06 pm
We never even get to that stage and in a position for a player to choose between us and another team!
And you know this how?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:23 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:21 pm
Has Ravel Morrison had that chance at Sheffield Utd?
They've signed Jack Rodwell now - this board would go into meltdown if we signed either of those two
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:24 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:20 pm
Exactly. There's not a midfielder on planet Earth that's better than Ashley Westwood that would lower themselves sufficiently to play in the Premier League for a lousy 50,000 per week.
Apparently not! 😏

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:26 pm

If we'd have signed Jack Rodwell and it was our first year in the PL for a long time, I'm not sure anyone would mind as much as they would now we're in our 4th successive and making millions each year.

Never mind. It's either hyperbolic nonsense about spending billions and becoming like Portsmouth or it's spending nothing at all with the begging bowl out.

Why we don't have a middle ground is beyond me. It's weird. It's like people are deluded to the nuanced grey areas in between those two extremes.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:23 pm
They've signed Jack Rodwell now - this board would go into meltdown if we signed either of those two
We could have signed Camarasa, who has played a whole 5 minutes for Palace since they signed him in the summer.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:28 pm

Greeny wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:02 pm
Nobody can defend our transfer policy, well apart from Leisure who appears to have some very heavy duty claret lenses fitted.

There is not one person on the numerous threads that I have seen on this Messageboard asking for BFC to blow gazillions of pounds on some superstars, the frustration throughout the last umpteen transfer windows, is that we seem incapable of signing any players to add some pace and guile to the squad. We appear to have no scouting network and no clue re the lower leagues and the talent available.

The Rigg/Garlick/Dyche transfer axis has the distinct flavour of "couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery".

But hey ho Leisure, let's keep the bank balance looking healthy whilst continuing to rely on Westwood & Cork. They will fit right in when we are back in the Championship.
So you seriously think that keeping the bank balance looking healthy is the prime driver in our transfer dealings? How does that equate to us purposely not signing anyone (presumably to save money) but then taking a big financial hit if we get relegated?
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:28 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:27 pm
We could have signed Camarasa, who has played a whole 5 minutes for Palace since they signed him in the summer.
I was talking to a Cardiff fan the other week and he mentioned him. He said he wasn't that good.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:28 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:26 pm
If we'd have signed Jack Rodwell and it was our first year in the PL for a long time, I'm not sure anyone would mind as much as they would now we're in our 4th successive and making millions each year.

Never mind. It's either hyperbolic nonsense about spending billions and becoming like Portsmouth or it's spending nothing at all with the begging bowl out.

Why we don't have a middle ground is beyond me. It's weird. It's like people are deluded to the nuanced grey areas in between those two extremes.
This.

And both the apologists and fantasists are as deluded as each other.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:30 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:19 pm
Wasn't the idea of employing some one like Mr Rigg to find upgrades that are within our means (and that should be surely possible)
Yes, you'd think so. We have recruited lots for the U23s and U18s, which (I guess) is part of his job. And I'm sure we'd strengthen if SD's targets were within our budget.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by claretdj » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:31 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:28 pm
I was talking to a Cardiff fan the other week and he mentioned him. He said he wasn't that good.
But still 10x better than Cork!! :lol:

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:28 pm
This.

And both the apologists and fantasists are as deluded as each other.
I'm just a realist! 😏

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:10 pm
I imagine that Mike Rigg is in contact with agents all the time. The club will know what players' demands are likely to be. It is possible that the upgrades we all want are beyond our means.
That's how it works. Reminds me of when Steve Cotterill first came in and he was interested in signing a player. He spoke to his agent and found out that he was already earning considerably more than we could offer. That was the end of it.

As for now, it's easy blaming Rigg or Garlick or anyone you like but if Rigg comes up with names and Dyche wants someone else then we won't be going with any of Rigg's recommendations. If we can't get who Dyche wants then we'll do without. We did that and left ourselves a central defender short in 2017/18.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:33 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:20 pm
Exactly. There's not a midfielder on planet Earth that's better than Ashley Westwood that would lower themselves sufficiently to play in the Premier League for a lousy 50,000 per week.
I doubt we'd pay that. And i doubt we'd offer any contract that didn't include a wage reduction in the event of our relegation.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 pm
That's how it works. Reminds me of when Steve Cotterill first came in and he was interested in signing a player. He spoke to his agent and found out that he was already earning considerably more than we could offer. That was the end of it.

As for now, it's easy blaming Rigg or Garlick or anyone you like but if Rigg comes up with names and Dyche wants someone else then we won't be going with any of Rigg's recommendations. If we can't get who Dyche wants then we'll do without. We did that and left ourselves a central defender short in 2017/18.
So if it’s not Rigg, who are you blaming, Dyche or Garlick?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:35 pm

And before anyone asks - the player we wanted from Watford was Heidar Helguson

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:36 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:34 pm
So if it’s not Rigg, who are you blaming, Dyche or Garlick?
I'm not blaming anyone at all. We are having a difficult run and people like you who are venting as if the whole world has collapsed.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:36 pm
I'm not blaming anyone at all. We are having a difficult run and people like you who are venting as if the whole world has collapsed.
So you’re happy with the last couple of years of transfer dealings then?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:33 pm
I doubt we'd pay that. And i doubt we'd offer any contract that didn't include a wage reduction in the event of our relegation.
And given our present form and league position, how many players who are better than what we have would seriously sign a contract like that?
Not many, if any!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:40 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:37 pm
So you’re happy with the last couple of years of transfer dealings then?
Well I'm not but I'm a realist. So we just have to get on with it! Life goes on.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ewanrob » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 pm

As for now, it's easy blaming Rigg or Garlick or anyone you like but if Rigg comes up with names and Dyche wants someone else then we won't be going with any of Rigg's recommendations. If we can't get who Dyche wants then we'll do without. We did that and left ourselves a central defender short in 2017/18.
And I suppose there lies the problem, other teams may indeed just make the signing anyway, no matter what the manager thinks....those with a lot larger surplus than us of course.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by claretblue » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:43 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:22 pm
I would certainly like us to sign some players to go straight into the team but it's obviously difficult to attract them...our league position, we are not a very attractive proposition
we were 7th in league and qualified for Europe - and still couldn't attract! :(
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:43 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:37 pm
So you’re happy with the last couple of years of transfer dealings then?
I don't go jumping up and down like you do every time we lose and every time something happens as if there has been a death in the family. I've seen the club I support play in the top league for four years in succession. I fully understand all the problems we will always have trying to sign players and I fully understand that we will always be relegation candidates and that eventually, and inevitably, we will be relegated. To be honest I find it quite amusing that every now and again a thread starts pointing the finger at Mike Rigg. At least I know he exists, he was sat behind Barry Kilby at the match against Villa.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:43 pm

Rigg seems like an office based version of Vydra

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:44 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:41 pm
And I suppose there lies the problem, other teams may indeed just make the signing anyway, no matter what the manager thinks....those with a lot larger surplus than us of course.
Well if some players that Mr Dyche has signed can't get in the team I wouldn't imagine that any player who was thrust on him would stand a chance!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:43 pm
I don't go jumping up and down like you do every time we lose and every time something happens as if there has been a death in the family. I've seen the club I support play in the top league for four years in succession. I fully understand all the problems we will always have trying to sign players and I fully understand that we will always be relegation candidates and that eventually, and inevitably, we will be relegated. To be honest I find it quite amusing that every now and again a thread starts pointing the finger at Mike Rigg. At least I know he exists, he was sat behind Barry Kilby at the match against Villa.
I just call us out when we have been abysmal, you’re slowly starting to do that from some of the things you’ve posted this last week.

We have problems signing players, why though. Obviously some of it is down to finances but it appears some of it is to Dyche being unbelievably ‘picky’ on what he wants. We can’t keep going not signing players who will effect the first eleven so is it time for a change in philosophy, be it from Dyche or Garlick.

Or do we just all suck it up and like you say accept that we will be relegated if not this season then more likely next.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:51 pm

SD has been talking about Mike Rigg to Radio Lancashire. ..." as he's got more used to the club he's had to keep narrowing down and narrowing down and narrowing down. You can have as many lists of players as you want ; if they dont fit the requirement financially there's no point having them on the list..."

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by claretblue » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:43 pm
Mike Rigg - At least I know he exists, he was sat behind Barry Kilby at the match against Villa
good...at least he'll be aware of our non-performance against a relegation rival...and, sadly, the crowds (under 20,000) reaction to that 1st half surrender :(

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by NL Claret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:00 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:29 pm
Mike Rigg and Sean Dyche are coming in for some stick, some justified.

But there's only 1 man that wants to keep hold of the premier league money, anyone would think it's his own money the way he keeps a tight hold of it.

Mr Garlick seems to be last one in line to get stick, and he's the main culprit who deserves to shoulder most of the blame
Blame? Culprit? Is that blame for not fulfilling your expectations or ambitions for the club? We are still in the PL aren't we?

Perhaps you are unhappy that you were overlooked for Mike Rigg's job based on your expertise at posting on UTC? Had you been successful we would have the modern day Ankela's / JJ Okacha / Campo playing for us on business plan based on remaining in the PL.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Hipper » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:02 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Or maybe players better than what we have already just don't want to come to Burnley! Certainly if I was a player who had been approached by Burnley and thought, I'll just have a look on their messageboard to see what their fans think of the club and their manager, I would definitely not get a good impression!
Yes but they would notice that the travel arrangements are pretty good!
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by claretblue » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:02 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:51 pm
SD has been talking about Mike Rigg to Radio Lancashire. ..." as he's got more used to the club he's had to keep narrowing down and narrowing down and narrowing down. You can have as many lists of players as you want ; if they dont fit the requirement financially there's no point having them on the list..."
surely he would have been aware of the financial constraints before he convinced MG + SD that he could '...move the club forward in terms of identifying and hiring the best possible footballing talent...' :roll:
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:05 pm

Dyche has no budget to work with, he’s already said so twice in the past 2 days. I believe Boden tweeted quotes from Dyche earlier today about the lack of funds available. We are broke, cash strapped.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:06 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:00 pm
Blame? Culprit? Is that blame for not fulfilling your expectations or ambitions for the club? We are still in the PL aren't we?

Perhaps you are unhappy that you were overlooked for Mike Rigg's job based on your expertise at posting on UTC? Had you been successful we would have the modern day Ankela's / JJ Okacha / Campo playing for us on business plan based on remaining in the PL.
No, but we probably wouldn't have had Peter Crouch either.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:13 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:51 pm
SD has been talking about Mike Rigg to Radio Lancashire. ..." as he's got more used to the club he's had to keep narrowing down and narrowing down and narrowing down. You can have as many lists of players as you want ; if they dont fit the requirement financially there's no point having them on the list..."
Well, yes, one approach is to keep narrowing down the list until you end up with Stoke City Reserves. Other options might be to improve your scouting network, or accept lower annual profits, or maybe even that having one expensive player that makes a big difference to the first team is better than having four or five moderately expensive players that never get on the pitch.

It's boring to keep hearing the club repeat the same mantra. We have loads of money. Dyche has spent a fortune. Our first team hasn't improved in two years. It's not down to a lack of money, it's down to an inability to find players or an unwillingness to pay the going rate.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:14 pm

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:49 pm
I just call us out when we have been abysmal, you’re slowly starting to do that from some of the things you’ve posted this last week.

We have problems signing players, why though. Obviously some of it is down to finances but it appears some of it is to Dyche being unbelievably ‘picky’ on what he wants. We can’t keep going not signing players who will effect the first eleven so is it time for a change in philosophy, be it from Dyche or Garlick.

Or do we just all suck it up and like you say accept that we will be relegated if not this season then more likely next.
Of course we have problems signing players. The four year run is working against us now in some ways because we can't get players on the cheap, in relative terms, as we'd done previously. I don't know what change of philosophy you want. We are a club that won't go into debt to sign players, is that what you want us to do? We probably just can't afford the sort of players you think we should be signing. We are in a strong position financially, but not a club able to start pushing the boat out. I understand that, and understand the size of club I support. I always understand that to be in this league for four successive years is beyond anything I could have ever thought would happen. I understand that our time at this level will always be limited. You call it out when we are abysmal? No, you call it out every time the result doesn't go the way you want it to. I just understand how difficult it is for us to compete at this level. Does that mean I was happy with the Villa performance? No it doesn't, it was dreadful, but it was considerably better than some of the bile I've seen written on this message board often from people who seem to live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to our club.
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