ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by joey13 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:32 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:23 am
Then you must be amazed another club has taken him on bearing in mind his lack of games for Chelsea and Burnley and his "drinking issues" you seem to know a lot about, while paying a lot more than we did.
I am amazed , his drinking issues were hardly a secret

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:33 am

Will be interesting to see how he gets on at Villa...

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by ewanrob » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:51 am

burnleymik wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:26 am
Why would Villa want a midfielder who couldn't even break into the Burnley first team?
Maybe, just maybe they have better coaches who can get more out of him. Would be very embarrassing for our club if he turned in some real performances for Villa.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by dsr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:10 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:51 am
Maybe, just maybe they have better coaches who can get more out of him. Would be very embarrassing for our club if he turned in some real performances for Villa.
You think Villa have better coaches than Chelsea?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:12 pm

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:32 am
I am amazed , his drinking issues were hardly a secret
Go on then entertain, what issues are they ? How many days a week does he drink, what does he drink and how much

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Belial » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:16 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:51 am
Maybe, just maybe they have better coaches who can get more out of him. Would be very embarrassing for our club if he turned in some real performances for Villa.
Almost guaranteed he'll have some good games for them. He probably would have done for us if it weren't for his mistake and Dyche's stubbornness

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:26 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:20 am
We'll have to see how he goes. But if he gets game time for Villa and plays well, it's reasonable to ask why he wasn't given the opportunity here beyond his 60 minute cameo.
The undroppable Mee & Cork is your answer and neither are good enough, and for the record I would have kept him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:26 pm

Whatever happens it's pretty obvious that Lampard doesn't want him at Chelsea.

Coaches better than ours? Who knows. I actually believe our midfield is better than Villa's, which is a one-man show. We created 21 shooting chances against them! DD could well play a few games for Villa, but it doesn't say anything about Burnley FC.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:29 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:26 am
Why would Villa want a midfielder who couldn't even break into the Burnley first team?
Possibly anybody other than Dyche he may well have done.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by ewanrob » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:47 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:10 pm
You think Villa have better coaches than Chelsea?
Better than us

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by dsr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:53 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:47 pm
Better than us
Chelsea have basically given up on him and are willing to ship him out to anyone that will have him. They were willing to pay half his wage to get him off the books in summer. If our coaches are to be embarrassed in the unlikely event that Drinkwater turns out to be a world beater for Villa, after we had had him for 4 months when he turned up unfit and made himself even more unfit part way through, then how much more embarrassed would the Chelsea coaches be that they turned a Championship winner into (relative) dross?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:57 pm

If we are going to judge him fairly against his time here he’ll need to get battered around the start of February.
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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:59 pm

snapcrackleandpop wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:29 pm
Possibly anybody other than Dyche he may well have done.
Must qualify as a strong contender for 1 of the most bizarre & pointless loans ever in football.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by joey13 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:59 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:12 pm
Go on then entertain, what issues are they ? How many days a week does he drink, what does he drink and how much
Ha ha , quality

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:04 pm

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:59 pm
Ha ha , quality
So in other words, despite them being well known you have no idea. If we scroll though the thread from the day of his signing I take it you have said this on that day too ?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:04 pm

It was just a risk that didn't work out. It happens a lot in football. Had he not got into trouble he'd have been fit to play for us sooner, as that seemed to delay things for additional weeks. Now it looks like Villa are taking a chance on him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:25 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:57 pm
If we are going to judge him fairly against his time here he’ll need to get battered around the start of February.
Post of the year...so far. :D

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Blackrod » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:32 pm

I wonder how much of the 110 k week we paid. Crazy for what he offered on the pitch and the pathetic off the field antics.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by ewanrob » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:32 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:53 pm
Chelsea have basically given up on him and are willing to ship him out to anyone that will have him. They were willing to pay half his wage to get him off the books in summer. If our coaches are to be embarrassed in the unlikely event that Drinkwater turns out to be a world beater for Villa, after we had had him for 4 months when he turned up unfit and made himself even more unfit part way through, then how much more embarrassed would the Chelsea coaches be that they turned a Championship winner into (relative) dross?
But this isn't about Chelsea is it, its about our ability to sign good players and get them onto the pitch regularly....we clearly don't do that that. Yes I agree, he wasn't fit and he clearly had/has issues...so does he strike you as not a Sean Dyche type of player ?
I wouldn't be at all surprised, if Villa got something out of him...they currently play football how it should be played lets remember that.

And whilst we are on about coaches being embarrassed about turning players into de-valued dross (Gibson/Vydra) Im sure there is more in there.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:34 pm

Even if he got himself super fit could anyone honestly see Dyche dropping Cork or Westwood for a loan player?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by dsr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:54 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:32 pm
But this isn't about Chelsea is it, its about our ability to sign good players and get them onto the pitch regularly....we clearly don't do that that. Yes I agree, he wasn't fit and he clearly had/has issues...so does he strike you as not a Sean Dyche type of player ?
I wouldn't be at all surprised, if Villa got something out of him...they currently play football how it should be played lets remember that.

And whilst we are on about coaches being embarrassed about turning players into de-valued dross (Gibson/Vydra) Im sure there is more in there.
You may describe Gibson as "dross" because he isn't as good as Mee or Tarkowski. I wouldn't.

Obviously it was a mistake signing Drinkwater because he has been no use and we didn't actually need a fourth midfielder - we could have got by with three. But there is a touch of hindsight involved there.

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Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:33 pm

Gibson is absolutely a better footballer than Mee

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:36 pm

If it turns out to be a masterstroke by Villa will we still be saying he’s not good enough, I still believe he should have been given a chance.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by bfcjg » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:02 pm

Nice of us to get a player fit for a rival.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by joey13 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:46 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:04 pm
So in other words, despite them being well known you have no idea. If we scroll though the thread from the day of his signing I take it you have said this on that day too ?
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It’s really not that difficult :roll:

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Inchy » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:05 pm

With our resources I can understand the scatter gun approach to signings. Better signing five £10m players and hope that one or two work than one £50m player that may not work.

We have done in the past, we have done that in he championship, signing a few players on the cheap and law of averages means one will come good.

However what’s changed is we are signing has beens as well. I said this last season.I was worried we were signing Hart, Crouch, Lennon, Walters. Players past their best on decent wages with big personalities. It was an approach Sunderland preferred and it didn’t end well.

I don’t mind if we sign players like Vydra. It’s a gamble. But it’s only a gamble if they get the chance.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by dsr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:26 am

snapcrackleandpop wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:33 pm
Gibson is absolutely a better footballer than Mee
But is he a better defender?

I didn't watch Middlesbrough all that closely when Gibson played for them, and obviously I haven't seen him play much for Burnley. So all I have to go on is that Sean Dyche thinks Mee is the better option for Burnley. How could I find a reason to disagree?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:18 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:46 pm
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Just as expected odious bore nowhere to be seen, only shock is you didn't put a dull negative comment on the signing. Like you said it is really not that hard, you must have been busy that day I guess

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Post by joey13 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:44 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:18 am
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Just as expected odious bore nowhere to be seen, only shock is you didn't put a dull negative comment on the signing. Like you said it is really not that hard, you must have been busy that day I guess
Funny that I have a life off here ,maybe try getting one yourself

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:52 am

joey13 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:44 am
Funny that I have a life off here ,maybe try getting one yourself
I am fine, perfectly happy with my life cheers kid. Then again I am not the one who comes across in tears with every post. You do seem to forget this other life you have ( hopefully not as sulky as your life on here) when posting your miserable nonsense lets hope this new year brings you a smile

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:38 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:26 am
But is he a better defender?

I didn't watch Middlesbrough all that closely when Gibson played for them, and obviously I haven't seen him play much for Burnley. So all I have to go on is that Sean Dyche thinks Mee is the better option for Burnley. How could I find a reason to disagree?
I think the 2 go hand in hand.

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Post by snapcrackleandpop » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:39 am

How do I do multiple quotes?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Andreshotboots » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:05 pm

He's starting for Villa tonight. Glad we spent 55k a week getting him nicely fit.

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Post by dsr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:08 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:05 pm
He's starting for Villa tonight. Glad we spent 55k a week getting him nicely fit.
That won't do their chances of winning the cup any good. Is it still automatic elimination for playing a cup-tied player?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by joey13 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:38 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:52 am
I am fine, perfectly happy with my life cheers kid. Then again I am not the one who comes across in tears with every post. You do seem to forget this other life you have ( hopefully not as sulky as your life on here) when posting your miserable nonsense lets hope this new year brings you a smile
We live in hope ;)

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:24 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:54 pm
You may describe Gibson as "dross" because he isn't as good as Mee or Tarkowski. I wouldn't.

Obviously it was a mistake signing Drinkwater because he has been no use and we didn't actually need a fourth midfielder - we could have got by with three. But there is a touch of hindsight involved there.
We really do need 4 for cm. Name a professional club that doesn't have at least 4. Bet you can't. It is beyond a joke is our approach to cm. Has been for years.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by NL Claret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:57 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:05 pm
He's starting for Villa tonight. Glad we spent 55k a week getting him nicely fit.
They will be kicked out of the competition if he plays seen as he's cup tied having played for burnley against Sunderland in an earlier round.

Spoke to an ex pro who played for coventry and swansea who is villa fan. Reckoned he would be a disaster at Villa, suprised how much weight he'd put on and thought it was a disgrace that a pro footballer couldn't get himself fit when it's his job to be fit to play football. Utc posters who love to blame someone are putting it at Dyche's door, what a surprise. I prefer to take the opinions of someone who used to play the game at a decent level myself.

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Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:18 pm

Time will tell I suppose. I guarantee he'll at least be given a chance at Villa though.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:48 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:02 pm
Nice of us to get a player fit for a rival.
We haven’t.
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Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:18 pm
Time will tell I suppose. I guarantee he'll at least be given a chance at Villa though.
That says more about how bad Villa are than it does about Burnley.

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Post by claretblue » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:57 pm

NL Claret wrote:
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Spoke to an ex pro who played for coventry and swansea who is villa fan
John Williams NL :?:

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Post by NL Claret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:45 pm

claretblue wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:57 pm
John Williams NL :?:
No, Jason Smith. Without checking I don't think he ever played for Cov and went to Swansea after dropping into non league with Tiverton. Giant of a centre half so don't quote me on what he said :lol: he put his arms out to stop me getting past him in the queue for dinner in true centre half style, I was getting past him and I was starving. Always interesting listening to the ex pros. He reckoned if it was your job to be match fit it wasn't too difficult especially with all the sports science in the modern game.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:36 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:32 pm
I wonder how much of the 110 k week we paid. Crazy for what he offered on the pitch and the pathetic off the field antics.
The average weekly wage at Chelsea last season was in excess of £130k.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:49 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:08 pm
That won't do their chances of winning the cup any good. Is it still automatic elimination for playing a cup-tied player?
The cup tied rules need scrapping now.

They were put in place when people signed players to play in the cups. Now they're lucky to get reserve players playing.

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:26 pm
Whatever happens it's pretty obvious that Lampard doesn't want him at Chelsea.

Coaches better than ours? Who knows. I actually believe our midfield is better than Villa's, which is a one-man show. We created 21 shooting chances against them! DD could well play a few games for Villa, but it doesn't say anything about Burnley FC.
Exactly. Given we have such an awful midfield, we create a decent amount of goal scoring opportunities. 21 against Villa, 6 against Everton away and 8 against Man United. I never feel we won’t create chances, but we have lacked tho composure to convert them (or even get them on target) in recent games.

See Villa are winning. Knew signing Drinkwater would turn them around.

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Post by dougcollins » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:04 pm

I was surprised at Dyche, should have been binned off back to Chelsea straight after the night-club injury/fracas.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by dsr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:15 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:18 pm
Time will tell I suppose. I guarantee he'll at least be given a chance at Villa though.
He was given a chance at Burnley. He didn't take it.

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