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Hendrick’s goal VAR
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Woods arm is sticking out unless Hendrick was wearing number 9 . Hendrick is nearer the camera than Wood and is clearly oside. Why am I the only one who can see Abrahams leg has a white sock on ??? No way in a million years does that view prove offside. Remember only Mee and Hendrick were involved in the goal.
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I suggest you watch it again.
You'll be saying that the second goal wasn't a goalkeeper error next.
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The penalty-
Just watched it on MOTD 2.
"There was contact"
There was.
Willian made sure that, as he fell , like he'd been shot by a sniper, HE , made contact with Lowton!
Losing to the better side , I can take.
Losing to a cheating mother funkster....
I'm less inclined to "take it on the chin" as Mr Ternent occasionally said.
However, we keep going.....
Just watched it on MOTD 2.
"There was contact"
There was.
Willian made sure that, as he fell , like he'd been shot by a sniper, HE , made contact with Lowton!
Losing to the better side , I can take.
Losing to a cheating mother funkster....
I'm less inclined to "take it on the chin" as Mr Ternent occasionally said.
However, we keep going.....
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Hendrick is the player above Wood on the picture closest to Abraham, I was convinced it was Abraham’s leg on first view but now Riley has mentioned it, it does actually look like its Hendricks arm.FCBurnley wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:20 pmWoods arm is sticking out unless Hendrick was wearing number 9 . Hendrick is nearer the camera than Wood and is clearly oside. Why am I the only one who can see Abrahams leg has a white sock on ??? No way in a million years does that view prove offside. Remember only Mee and Hendrick were involved in the goal.
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I actually thought it was a stone wall penalty, I don’t think it makes a difference if Lowton tried to pull out or not, all Willian had to do was kick the ball away and wait for the contact for a blatant foul.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:27 pmThe penalty-
Just watched it on MOTD 2.
"There was contact"
There was.
Willian made sure that, as he fell , like he'd been shot by a sniper, HE , made contact with Lowton!
Losing to the better side , I can take.
Losing to a cheating mother funkster....
I'm less inclined to "take it on the chin" as Mr Ternent occasionally said.
However, we keep going.....
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Hendrick is above wood but whatever is sticking out is white ( Chelsea socks are white) not blue ( Burnley sleeves are blue ) Whatever is correct it shows how inconclusive the stills are. Not enough to disallow a goal. Game is fine if the font fix this and quickly
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Yeah it’s difficult to tell what is sticking out, the line is still wrong either way, it goes through the body of Abraham? WeirdFCBurnley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:50 amHendrick is above wood but whatever is sticking out is white ( Chelsea socks are white) not blue ( Burnley sleeves are blue ) Whatever is correct it shows how inconclusive the stills are. Not enough to disallow a goal. Game is fine if the font fix this and quickly
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It is certainly Hendrick’s arm, but why is the VAR line drawn through Abraham’s left shoulder ,rather than his right shoulder which is nearest the goal?
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It's a stonewall penalty nowadays and it was always going to get given after Lowton went down like that.
Personally I don't think a penalty should be awarded for that. The ball was heading off in a different direction and Willian ignored the ball, changed direction and deliberately ran into the player but that is classed as a penalty now and the players should be aware of that.
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It's this type of cheating I was naively hoping VAR would be used for, but like you said nowadays it's always givenaggi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:49 amIt's a stonewall penalty nowadays and it was always going to get given after Lowton went down like that.
Personally I don't think a penalty should be awarded for that. The ball was heading off in a different direction and Willian ignored the ball, changed direction and deliberately ran into the player but that is classed as a penalty now and the players should be aware of that.
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After watching MOTD2 I'm still at a loss what that offside line was all about. Totally in the wrong place, but conveniently glossed over by the studio pundits.
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Unless Hendrick was wearing a white sock on his arm, that is Abraham's leg.
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He did not wait for the contact, that's the point! He moved his leg to the right to obtain the contact. Cheating b'tard diving scumbag!
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Nobody seems to know, I didn’t even consider it could be Hendricks arm until it was mentioned.deanothedino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:13 pmUnless Hendrick was wearing a white sock on his arm, that is Abraham's leg.
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Do you have a better image? The more and more I look at it after Riley said it was Hendricks arm, the more convinced I am it’s Hendricks arm. Scroll down to the image and zoom in, I’m 90% sure it’s an arm.deanothedino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:41 pmI'd suggest anyone who doesn't know, picks up their phone and contacts their optician to book an appointment.
https://www.givemesport.com/1537160-var ... vs-chelsea
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I thought arm yesterday but having looked at that link KRBFC put up I’m 99% sure it’s a leg. Farce either way
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Think you may need to book the appointment. It's Hendrick's arm.deanothedino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:41 pmI'd suggest anyone who doesn't know, picks up their phone and contacts their optician to book an appointment.
Why would Abraham's leg be extended out like that? And how long do you think his socks are?
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https://www.trollfootball.me/others/vie ... chelsea-19
Not sure whether this is any clearer but it answers my question about when McNeil strikes the ball. Although given the ball is a blur and already moving it could open up further complications.
Not sure whether this is any clearer but it answers my question about when McNeil strikes the ball. Although given the ball is a blur and already moving it could open up further complications.
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Doesn’t this discussion about arm/leg sock/sleeve just emphasise how flawed the VAR process is?
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Zoom into the image - if it is Abraham's leg then how has he pulled his sock over his shorts and all the way up to his waist?Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:04 pmI thought arm yesterday but having looked at that link KRBFC put up I’m 99% sure it’s a leg. Farce either way
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So we are arguing amongst ourselves wether it’s an arm or a leg, brilliant it’s like one of those stupid puzzle photos where everybody sees a different coloured objectBurnley1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:04 pmI thought arm yesterday but having looked at that link KRBFC put up I’m 99% sure it’s a leg. Farce either way
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Why when all the world can see VAR decisions are wrong do they still persist in what can only be called cheating?
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It's definitely Hendrick's arm which I, on first view, along with many others, took to be Abraham's leg.
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I think it's white, though yes that second image has me doubting it too as I'd only seen the first, but tbh it doesn't matter either way as the line still goes through Abraham's body rather than on his right shoulder like it should if that isn't his leg.
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Get that appointment booked mate!deanothedino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:36 pmI think it's white, though yes that second image has me doubting it too as I'd only seen the first, but tbh it doesn't matter either way as the line still goes through Abraham's body rather than on his right shoulder like it should if that isn't his leg.
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On frame 1 Hendrick is off. On frame 2 and 3 his arm is level at worst with Abraham’s arm which has moved dbetween frames 1&2.
Big question is when was the free kick taken ?
Big question is when was the free kick taken ?
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Exactly. Why is the line going right through Abraham's body?deanothedino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:36 pmI think it's white, though yes that second image has me doubting it too as I'd only seen the first, but tbh it doesn't matter either way as the line still goes through Abraham's body rather than on his right shoulder like it should if that isn't his leg.
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it's because of the third axis in the VAR process - they line up where they think his shoulder is with the ground and the line is run across the ground as in the images below. For what it's worth the line for Ben Mee is also done in the same way. However, as previously discussed on this forum, there is absolutely no way of determining whether offside or not because of the potential for up to 18 inches of error with VAR line drawings - couple that with a guess about where his shoulder lines up with the ground and it is a recipe for mistakes week in week out.
Also I do believe that it is definitely Hendrick's arm, but as there is no clear view of Abraham's foot (which could conceivably be behind Hendricks arm) it adds to the confusion.
Screenshots from the footage here https://www.trollfootball.me/others/vie ... chelsea-19
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Looking at the second image Mee might be off by a hair... maybe. There's not enough resolution in the image the pick an accurate point though. And that's before you get to the error due to the framerate.Zlatan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:22 pmit's because of the third axis in the VAR process - they line up where they think his shoulder is with the ground and the line is run across the ground as in the images below. For what it's worth the line for Ben Mee is also done in the same way. However, as previously discussed on this forum, there is absolutely no way of determining whether offside or not because of the potential for up to 18 inches of error with VAR line drawings - couple that with a guess about where his shoulder lines up with the ground and it is a recipe for mistakes week in week out.
Also I do believe that it is definitely Hendrick's arm, but as there is no clear view of Abraham's foot (which could conceivably be behind Hendricks arm) it adds to the confusion.
Screenshots from the footage here https://www.trollfootball.me/others/vie ... chelsea-19
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The fact that we are all discussing this issue and cannot make a definitive decision begs the question. How on earth did the Lino make the call either way. He could not have been certain
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Arms dont count do they? Doesnt the current offside law relate only to parts of the body that are permitted to play the ball (so not arms)?
Hendrick's shoulder (the furthest forward bit of him that counts) is further back than Abraham's shoulder (about level with Abraham's middle back) so he's not offside.
Mee, on the other hand, may be offside, we need to see that line moved forward to Mee's right shoulder and see how that compares to Abraham's right shoulder (or whichever bit of him is nearest the goalline). If Mee is ahead of Abraham in that respect then Mee would be adjudged offside when he headed the ball back across to the never offside Hendrick.
In fact, they do this on the Sky coverage now at about 0.30 here. https://www.skysports.com/football/chel ... ley/408193
Hendrick's shoulder (the furthest forward bit of him that counts) is further back than Abraham's shoulder (about level with Abraham's middle back) so he's not offside.
Mee, on the other hand, may be offside, we need to see that line moved forward to Mee's right shoulder and see how that compares to Abraham's right shoulder (or whichever bit of him is nearest the goalline). If Mee is ahead of Abraham in that respect then Mee would be adjudged offside when he headed the ball back across to the never offside Hendrick.
In fact, they do this on the Sky coverage now at about 0.30 here. https://www.skysports.com/football/chel ... ley/408193
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In VARs case they made this decision pretty quickly, which is quite clearly a guess in the big clubs favour. It’s far too inconclusive and iffy to make a swift accurate decision with incorrect lines drawn.
I have absolutely no problem with the goal being ruled out if Mee is offside, I wouldn’t consider myself overly biased, I’m pretty neutral in situations like this, I favour the fair approach. So when I’m saying it’s a joke guess biased decision there’s likely an issue.
VAR has killed football in this country like I knew it would
I have absolutely no problem with the goal being ruled out if Mee is offside, I wouldn’t consider myself overly biased, I’m pretty neutral in situations like this, I favour the fair approach. So when I’m saying it’s a joke guess biased decision there’s likely an issue.
VAR has killed football in this country like I knew it would
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And now I’m back to arm
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Are you sure you understand what i'm saying?........Lowton pulled out of the tackle, there was no foul!fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:21 pmI suggest you watch it again.
You'll be saying that the second goal wasn't a goalkeeper error next.
Willian should have been booked for simulation/ acting.
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From the little Ive seen I`d agree, no penalty, Chelsea cheat booked. Its willian who makes contact with Lowton!!
Tarkowski pushed out of the way for the 2nd
VAR is just a tool for the big clubs to win, now not up against 1 ref to ensure (un)fairness but TWO
Tarkowski pushed out of the way for the 2nd
VAR is just a tool for the big clubs to win, now not up against 1 ref to ensure (un)fairness but TWO