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Ok - I get the product bit - I can't disagree with much of it. I just don't see it as surrender, I see it as a club at the maximum of it's capabilities (Financial, global reputation, location etc), still delivering results above the expected level of a club with that level of capability.
I can't agree with you on attendances for some of those clubs. Wigan in the prem averaged at a peak over 19,000. Last time in the Championship 11,500, last year in the Championship 11, 663. Most clubs eventually revert to the norm of their core attendance, as they revert to the norm of their expected position in the league ladder. I think clubs will capitalise, as Burnley have, for improved league positions, and then lose fans as they slip closer to where they should be.
I can't agree with you on attendances for some of those clubs. Wigan in the prem averaged at a peak over 19,000. Last time in the Championship 11,500, last year in the Championship 11, 663. Most clubs eventually revert to the norm of their core attendance, as they revert to the norm of their expected position in the league ladder. I think clubs will capitalise, as Burnley have, for improved league positions, and then lose fans as they slip closer to where they should be.
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The club has focused on other things as a priority. These things don't just happen overnight. Do you not think that the scouting network will have evolved in the last 18 months? Do you not think it's evolved in the last 11 years? Looking for a serious answer on that.
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If you compare Wigan not with their promotion season, but with a similar season prior to promotion when they were midtable in the Championship or lower, their attendances are still noticeably higher. Same applies to their third tier seasons.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:17 pmOk - I get the product bit - I can't disagree with much of it. I just don't see it as surrender, I see it as a club at the maximum of it's capabilities (Financial, global reputation, location etc), still delivering results above the expected level of a club with that level of capability.
I can't agree with you on attendances for some of those clubs. Wigan in the prem averaged at a peak over 19,000. Last time in the Championship 11,500, last year in the Championship 11, 663. Most clubs eventually revert to the norm of their core attendance, as they revert to the norm of their expected position in the league ladder. I think clubs will capitalise, as Burnley have, for improved league positions, and then lose fans as they slip closer to where they should be.
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The answer is on the pitch so no - that was easydandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:20 pmThe club has focused on other things as a priority. These things don't just happen overnight. Do you not think that the scouting network will have evolved in the last 18 months? Do you not think it's evolved in the last 11 years? Looking for a serious answer on that.
No is hasnt
U23's a different ball game and they look like we have some good young players where 1 might make it
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So 11 years ago, the scouting network would have found personnel capable of delivering a 7th place finish, and has delivered 4 other years in the premiership and a bunch of uncapped players with the potential to go on and be full internationals? As you quite rightly said, the answer is on the pitch, and the results that the club have been able to achieve. You're also right in saying it was easy.
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dandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:42 pmSo 11 years ago, the scouting network would have found personnel capable of delivering a 7th place finish, and has delivered 4 other years in the premiership and a bunch of uncapped players with the potential to go on and be full internationals? As you quite rightly said, the answer is on the pitch, and the results that the club have been able to achieve. You're also right in saying it was easy.
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We won the whole league in the 60's - its now called history - that 7th place finish was great but also lucky as about 5 teams were well below par that season.
And THAT summer was our one and only chance to attract that better player but you know what we bottled it and the club could not wait to get of the whole europa thing
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We won the whole league in the 60's - its now called history - that 7th place finish was great but also lucky as about 5 teams were well below par that season.
And THAT summer was our one and only chance to attract that better player but you know what we bottled it and the club could not wait to get of the whole europa thing
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According to your framings of timescales for history, that summer pre europa is history, so it's irrelevant now. Seems that you want to focus on the right here, right now. Am I correct?
Once again, it's pretty simple. Given the available resources and capabilities of the club, Burnley would be expected to finish in the bottom 6 - as evidenced by bookmaker odds at the start of the season. They are currently 6th bottom. The absolute best of the expectation.
Where did you expect Burnley to finish this season? That may give us our answer in where your frustrations are coming from.
Also, I started a course on basic counselling just before Christmas, so thanks for being a good test case
Once again, it's pretty simple. Given the available resources and capabilities of the club, Burnley would be expected to finish in the bottom 6 - as evidenced by bookmaker odds at the start of the season. They are currently 6th bottom. The absolute best of the expectation.
Where did you expect Burnley to finish this season? That may give us our answer in where your frustrations are coming from.
Also, I started a course on basic counselling just before Christmas, so thanks for being a good test case
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I bet you won't take another case on though after this 1
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claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:56 pmI bet you won't take another case on though after this 1
Counselling......... completed it......
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You will need a counsellor yourself if your try much longer with some on here
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Yep right here right now and we still look lostdandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:55 pmAccording to your framings of timescales for history, that summer pre europa is history, so it's irrelevant now. Seems that you want to focus on the right here, right now. Am I correct?
Once again, it's pretty simple. Given the available resources and capabilities of the club, Burnley would be expected to finish in the bottom 6 - as evidenced by bookmaker odds at the start of the season. They are currently 6th bottom. The absolute best of the expectation.
Where did you expect Burnley to finish this season? That may give us our answer in where your frustrations are coming from.
Also, I started a course on basic counselling just before Christmas, so thanks for being a good test case
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Just a couple of things bud. You seem to think or imply that the reason support goes up is because people want to watch the Citys and Uniteds of this world. I doubt this is true but even if it is isn't it the wrong reason for increasing support? I think what Spice was meaning was we need to encourage support for BURNLEY not a second hand support for the big teams? I personally couldn't care less who we are playing as long as we win, or at least play well. Don't people enjoy beating the likes of Watford or Bournemouth more than being outplayed and outclassed by Chelsea or Arsenal? And also I can't quite get with your idea that we have 'doubled the support base' in the last 10 years. Historically and even now Burnley have always averaged around 20k for games in the top flight, gates for lower leagues reduce accordingly as they do for nearly any club. I would like to think that increase in support is for pride in the club rather than the desire to watch Spurs or Liverpool. I don't care about the big clubs at all, they are away on a different financial planet and until things change they will continue to be. I don't want to go to games to appreciate how well they take us apart and be astounded at how good they are, I go to watch Burnley.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:53 pmWhat does "Improve the product we offer to supports mean though spice?" Do you mean more attractive football? The flipside to that from a club, business, achievement perspective is that you're gambling something that is STILL performing towards the top end of reasonable expectation.
Attracting new supporters has happened. The club has virtually doubled it's supprter base in the last 10 years. Do you feel there is a large pool of untapped supporters out there that aren't attending regularly, and this is because of the football being played? I'd argue the opposite is probably likely, that the club is above the level of support naturally available for Burnley because of the opposition they are playing.
This comment though "I think we're in danger of creating a scenario in which we both fail to attract new supporters but also discourage existing ones, because even when we go down we're currently devaluing the attractiveness of then coming back up again. What is the point, if the football is going to be rubbish, the games against the top sides glorified exhibitions because we can't compete, and relegation sooner rather than later treated as an inevitability?" - this is the stark reality as the chasm of have's and have not's - even with the television money - continues to grow. This is why I stopped going. Even the Leicester dream scenario is one of a club that went bust, defaulted on payments and then got large foreign investment to go again. This is Burnley at the top end of their existence. This is as good as it gets, this is as bad as it gets too. You're right, relegation will see crowds drop - that's the same for every club, no matter whether they're playing the great football Swansea did for a while, or Stoke or Burnley more direct football. The longer you stay down, the more the crowds drop.... but then.... in time..... when you're winning, everybody wants the glorified exhibitions of a Man City or Chelsea, because the last time you played them is all forgotten, and battles with Birmingham, Preston, Leeds and all the other perennial championship clubs is the new norm, it will look exciting again.
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Always going to be the case though, look at reaction on here to cup draws when we don't draw a big team. People claim to have a hatred of Man Utd but you can guarantee it will sell out at home no matter what day or time kick off is. Sadly in Burnley as with most other towns there are a lot of two team tommys, hence their being tickets left for Sunday as it is only "Leicester"houseboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:15 pmJust a couple of things bud. You seem to think or imply that the reason support goes up is because people want to watch the Citys and Uniteds of this world. I doubt this is true but even if it is isn't it the wrong reason for increasing support? I think what Spice was meaning was we need to encourage support for BURNLEY not a second hand support for the big teams? I personally couldn't care less who we are playing as long as we win, or at least play well. Don't people enjoy beating the likes of Watford or Bournemouth more than being outplayed and outclassed by Chelsea or Arsenal? And also I can't quite get with your idea that we have 'doubled the support base' in the last 10 years. Historically and even now Burnley have always averaged around 20k for games in the top flight, gates for lower leagues reduce accordingly as they do for nearly any club. I would like to think that increase in support is for pride in the club rather than the desire to watch Spurs or Liverpool. I don't care about the big clubs at all, they are away on a different financial planet and until things change they will continue to be. I don't want to go to games to appreciate how well they take us apart and be astounded at how good they are, I go to watch Burnley.
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Probably the latter - anyway lets see what this season brings UTCfidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:14 pmInteresting how you don't answer perfectly simple questions.
You're either on the wind-up or just completely thick.
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Glad you admit it... but you'd love nothing more than for us to be relegated, because it suits your anti-Dyche agenda.
Staying up would mean that he’s much more like to stay, and you'd hate that.
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I don't think all people will attend games for the same reason. Some will be that core support I talked about, and from your reasoning you are clearly in that group, there at every level up and down the league ladder. Some will see it as a pride thing that Burnley have progressed and want to be there. Some will not be as aware of football as others, but the prem heightens awareness and so they will go. Some will have a desire to see a higher level of football, some will want to see the big clubs, some will have a new awareness of the club because of the exposure, some will have kids excitied by it and want to take them on.houseboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:15 pmJust a couple of things bud. You seem to think or imply that the reason support goes up is because people want to watch the Citys and Uniteds of this world. I doubt this is true but even if it is isn't it the wrong reason for increasing support? I think what Spice was meaning was we need to encourage support for BURNLEY not a second hand support for the big teams? I personally couldn't care less who we are playing as long as we win, or at least play well. Don't people enjoy beating the likes of Watford or Bournemouth more than being outplayed and outclassed by Chelsea or Arsenal? And also I can't quite get with your idea that we have 'doubled the support base' in the last 10 years. Historically and even now Burnley have always averaged around 20k for games in the top flight, gates for lower leagues reduce accordingly as they do for nearly any club. I would like to think that increase in support is for pride in the club rather than the desire to watch Spurs or Liverpool. I don't care about the big clubs at all, they are away on a different financial planet and until things change they will continue to be. I don't want to go to games to appreciate how well they take us apart and be astounded at how good they are, I go to watch Burnley.
For whatever reason people go, the club in the last 10 years, i.e. just before Coyle have gone from around the 10k mark to around the 20k mark hence the doubling of the attendance. I don't believe there is a large unexhausted group out of untapped supporters out there, answering Spice's point on growing attendances further. We don't have too many modern benchmarks to state historically we've always got around 20k for top flight games.
As for people enjoying winning vs playing those big clubs, some will, some won't. For all the reasons given above on why people attend games.
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Absolutely. I know some will do that and it is to be understood I suppose. I think though that I'd rather draw lower league clubs all the way through the FA Cup if it meant getting to the final and a day out at Wembley in front of the world.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:19 pmAlways going to be the case though, look at reaction on here to cup draws when we don't draw a big team. People claim to have a hatred of Man Utd but you can guarantee it will sell out at home no matter what day or time kick off is. Sadly in Burnley as with most other towns there are a lot of two team tommys, hence their being tickets left for Sunday as it is only "Leicester"
I get what you mean but I just can't understand this love of watching the big teams, if that's what people want they can watch it on the telly. Frankly our performances against the big six over the last couple of years have been embarrassing (and quite often on TV) and I actually dread upcoming fixtures agains them rather than look forward to them.
I suppose that my mindset is one of complete indifference to the top clubs. I would never dream of watching Chelsea v United on TV, I'd sooner go for a good walk with the dog.
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https://youtu.be/bhrOG_bsNuwBOYSIE31 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:48 pmWe won the whole league in the 60's - its now called history - that 7th place finish was great but also lucky as about 5 teams were well below par that season.
And THAT summer was our one and only chance to attract that better player but you know what we bottled it and the club could not wait to get of the whole europa thing
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Good stuff BOYSIE - a laughing smiley earlier and a desire to see what the season brings - exactly how it should be. UTC.
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best poster on here has nailed it againclaretspice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:42 pmCapitalising means looking for ways to compete in the transfer market, and looking to improve the product we offer to supporters. We've a lot of supporters now who are around 65 - they can trace the time they got hooked on Burnley back to the 60s. No-one is saying we should expect to replicate that success, but the broader point stands that a time when you are in the Premier League with a good team is a brilliant opportunity to build the next generation of supporters. We should be aiming to make hay in that respect for as long as we are in the league. One day we will get relegated - we have to expect the law of gravity - but running our strategy in a way that makes it a certainty would be a bad mistake. The combination of activity and PR at present lends the impression that we are simply waiting for time to take its toll. The season ticket pitch to supporters for next season is not one that drives enthusiasm and there appears to be an expectation of loyalty rather than a recognition that the club has to keep supporters engaged.
I fully accept your point about performance relative to resources, but you've got to fight your corner. I think we're in danger of creating a scenario in which we both fail to attract new supporters but also discourage existing ones, because even when we go down we're currently devaluing the attractiveness of then coming back up again. What is the point, if the football is going to be rubbish, the games against the top sides glorified exhibitions because we can't compete, and relegation sooner rather than later treated as an inevitability? And if there's no point in trying to get promoted, what exactly is the point at all? We had this sort of existential crisis in the late 70s and it did not end well.
I fully appreciate its a hard balance and its very easy from a far. But we can start by getting the PR right - it's dreadful at present, from manager, Chief Exec and PR manager, particularly on twitter - and then we need to at least try and identify a transfer strategy that might be successful, even if it presents an element of risk. At present, we're caught between taking no risk and refusing the accept the premiums that come with taking no risk,which is partly why we've not completed a transfer that could be fairly judged a success in improving the first eleven since August 2017 (note partly - partly it reflects the quality we've already got).
EDIT - just seen your point about the football, and its a good one. You were extremely vocal about it during the Cotterill era. That's a big part of the problem at present for sure, and it fuels the appetite for change. I do wonder whether Dyche has become a bit burnt out at Burnley - it happens. The style of football, the media comments about the transfer market - they increasingly evoke a man who has bunkered down, and I'm not sure it is to anyone's benefit at the minute.
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I'd say we've historically got about 10 thousand diehards, who'll pretty much go every week no matter what. Being in the Prem has attracted lots of casual fans, lots of people who live locally who've bought season tickets because they want to see the big boys and some day trippers/tourists. When we go back down whenever it is we'll soon be back to crowds of 11/12 thousand, that's just the way it is.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:30 pmI don't think all people will attend games for the same reason. Some will be that core support I talked about, and from your reasoning you are clearly in that group, there at every level up and down the league ladder. Some will see it as a pride thing that Burnley have progressed and want to be there. Some will not be as aware of football as others, but the prem heightens awareness and so they will go. Some will have a desire to see a higher level of football, some will want to see the big clubs, some will have a new awareness of the club because of the exposure, some will have kids excitied by it and want to take them on.
For whatever reason people go, the club in the last 10 years, i.e. just before Coyle have gone from around the 10k mark to around the 20k mark hence the doubling of the attendance. I don't believe there is a large unexhausted group out of untapped supporters out there, answering Spice's point on growing attendances further. We don't have too many modern benchmarks to state historically we've always got around 20k for top flight games.
As for people enjoying winning vs playing those big clubs, some will, some won't. For all the reasons given above on why people attend games.
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There was a quote very recently from Sean Dyche where he stated that the injury to Ashley Barnes was caused by over-use.
Well, he is the manager that selects him every week come rain come shine.
We have now become a club that merely tries to survive in the PL where in previous seasons we seemed prepared to give it a go and try and compete and unsettle the bigger teams. Now the games just have an inevitability about them and the club's hierarchy appear to have just accepted it.
Well, he is the manager that selects him every week come rain come shine.
We have now become a club that merely tries to survive in the PL where in previous seasons we seemed prepared to give it a go and try and compete and unsettle the bigger teams. Now the games just have an inevitability about them and the club's hierarchy appear to have just accepted it.
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Mmmm, we'll see.
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If Wood doesn’t make the weekend, at least that might force Dyche to give the striker we have all been wanting him to play a chance.
Kevin Long.
Kevin Long.
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Real blow to Barnesy this.
Great thread though if only to juxtapose the contributions of dande/spice with the jrg31 cabal.
Great thread though if only to juxtapose the contributions of dande/spice with the jrg31 cabal.
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Interesting little debate, and it would seem reasonable to expect the board to run the club carefully, as they have in the past.
However it would also be reasonable to assume that fans want excitement to remove them from the routine of their normal lives, and that comes from four things - wins, great football, big signings and new facilities. We’ve scraped a few of the first, done the second only very fleetingly, and the third and fourth are a LONG time ago (for non-disabled fans).
So, a balance is required and it is fair to assume that the club are currently not finding it (not wanting to put words in his mouth but I think that is what some on this thread are trying to suggest).
Relegation appears to be inevitable unless the club break out of this rut, either this season or next, and that will take great skill to deliver what is needed on the field, off it, and in the bank account.
However it would also be reasonable to assume that fans want excitement to remove them from the routine of their normal lives, and that comes from four things - wins, great football, big signings and new facilities. We’ve scraped a few of the first, done the second only very fleetingly, and the third and fourth are a LONG time ago (for non-disabled fans).
So, a balance is required and it is fair to assume that the club are currently not finding it (not wanting to put words in his mouth but I think that is what some on this thread are trying to suggest).
Relegation appears to be inevitable unless the club break out of this rut, either this season or next, and that will take great skill to deliver what is needed on the field, off it, and in the bank account.
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I think you're overstating the excitement of new facilities. I had a new kitchen 35 years ago (still in excellent condition) but I don't remember great excitement. Spurs' ground was nice, but it's still a seat facing the pitch and the rest is just trivia.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:23 pmInteresting little debate, and it would seem reasonable to expect the board to run the club carefully, as they have in the past.
However it would also be reasonable to assume that fans want excitement to remove them from the routine of their normal lives, and that comes from four things - wins, great football, big signings and new facilities. We’ve scraped a few of the first, done the second only very fleetingly, and the third and fourth are a LONG time ago (for non-disabled fans).
So, a balance is required and it is fair to assume that the club are currently not finding it (not wanting to put words in his mouth but I think that is what some on this thread are trying to suggest).
Relegation appears to be inevitable unless the club break out of this rut, either this season or next, and that will take great skill to deliver what is needed on the field, off it, and in the bank account.
The excitement of big signings is very short term. Only till his first match, if he's no good.
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Only read a couple of posts and some UTC posters now also have medical knowledge of hernia injuries as well as expertise in football management.
I'm neither of the above however a mate of mine who played at a decent level of local Saturday football had a hernia but was advised by doctor to carry on playing until it needed surgery.
I'm neither of the above however a mate of mine who played at a decent level of local Saturday football had a hernia but was advised by doctor to carry on playing until it needed surgery.
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Barnes is out, Rodriguez plays.
Why all this talk about loaning someone? Do we actually NEED to loan someone? I think we may do, but not for up top.
Leaves Vydra on the bench, but we should have someone else on there also, but unsure if any of the youngsters are ready to be included in the first team squad. Can’t see us recalling Wells.... one thing is certain, at least to me.... we won’t bring in someone to start alongside Wood.
At the moment, if we bring someone in to cover it’ll be a mistake and a panic acquisition, and if we don’t, we show a lack of nous. There’s a real negativity about the place at the moment.
Why all this talk about loaning someone? Do we actually NEED to loan someone? I think we may do, but not for up top.
Leaves Vydra on the bench, but we should have someone else on there also, but unsure if any of the youngsters are ready to be included in the first team squad. Can’t see us recalling Wells.... one thing is certain, at least to me.... we won’t bring in someone to start alongside Wood.
At the moment, if we bring someone in to cover it’ll be a mistake and a panic acquisition, and if we don’t, we show a lack of nous. There’s a real negativity about the place at the moment.
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.... Billy Sharpe anybody
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Might be better putting that on a championship forum
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Without sending negative our record when we go behind is not good. It gets commented on every time we are televised and its an incredible stat. Your first re-action then tends to be who is on the bench, that could change things. Its likely that if fit, Wood and Jay start each game now-we also know Vydra at best gets 10 minutes, and that tends to be only if we are two or three goals behind
The news about Barnes has maybe changed priorities. For me an on loan striker becomes priority. We are blessed with 4 wide men, 3 central midfielders (4 if you include McNeil) 4 centre halves and generally have good cover. Its goals that will keep us up.
The news about Barnes has maybe changed priorities. For me an on loan striker becomes priority. We are blessed with 4 wide men, 3 central midfielders (4 if you include McNeil) 4 centre halves and generally have good cover. Its goals that will keep us up.
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Do you think teams near the bottom of the premier league have a load of wins when going behind in games ?warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 amWithout sending negative our record when we go behind is not good. It gets commented on every time we are televised and its an incredible stat. Your first re-action then tends to be who is on the bench, that could change things. Its likely that if fit, Wood and Jay start each game now-we also know Vydra at best gets 10 minutes, and that tends to be only if we are two or three goals behind
The news about Barnes has maybe changed priorities. For me an on loan striker becomes priority. We are blessed with 4 wide men, 3 central midfielders (4 if you include McNeil) 4 centre halves and generally have good cover. Its goals that will keep us up.
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COTC1882 presents the new face of positivity - we're the smallest team so we deserve to be at the bottom of the league so don't bother trying. Relegation is inevitable.
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Not sure that is what I put but then stupidity is getting more and more on here so shouldn't be surprised I guess
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Other than Bournemouth and Norwich all the other bottom teams will have a better ratio. Sadly 3 teams go down
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"Will have"warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:21 amOther than Bournemouth and Norwich all the other bottom teams will have a better ratio. Sadly 3 teams go down
You mean you don't know
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Ashley Barnes, just like BFC, getting himself into a right old mesh.
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Looks like Everton, West Ham and Watford all have a worse record than us this season.warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:21 amOther than Bournemouth and Norwich all the other bottom teams will have a better ratio. Sadly 3 teams go down
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier ... bewerb/GB1
Last season there were 12 teams with a worse record!
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier ... piele=alle