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Kevin Long

Post by Local cricketer » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:16 pm

Are we seriously selling Ben Gibson and relying on this joker as back up

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Hopey1786 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:20 pm

The players whove come in today arent good enuf

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by MACCA » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:21 pm

He's been awful to be fair, tarky has had to pull both him an Peiters out if the sh1t more than once.

Thankfully he plays few and far between.

It could genuinely be 5 to Norwich

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:27 pm

Hes Sean's love child...

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:27 pm

Long is normally a fairly dependable stand in.

He’s been poor today, though.
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:28 pm

The players that have come in today have firmly cemented their collective ar5e cheeks to the reserve bench

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:30 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:21 pm
He's been awful to be fair, tarky has had to pull both him an Peiters out if the sh1t more than once.

Thankfully he plays few and far between.

It could genuinely be 5 to Norwich
Personally I'd put Pieters up front.....

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:55 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:27 pm
Long is normally a fairly dependable stand in.

He’s been poor today, though.
Don’t let that get in the way of a thread slagging off a player that’s barely played for about a year :o


Now if you’d said Brady.... :lol:
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:55 pm

Long has never let us down in the past. He was shocking today though and it highlighted how very good Ben Mee is.
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Tinribs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:02 pm

To be fair he’s got the worst two full backs in the top flight alongside him,it can’t help.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:02 pm

Classic overreaction. Looked poor today can't think of many times he's done that before in his limited match time.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:03 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:27 pm
Long is normally a fairly dependable stand in.

He’s been poor today, though.
This, nothing more and nothing less.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:04 pm

Tinribs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:02 pm
To be fair he’s got the worst two full backs in the top flight alongside him,it can’t help.
Lowton was immense on Wednesday!

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by MDWat » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:05 pm

Long has never been good enough, even in the Championship. Surely we can get someone better as an adequate reserve. Needs to go in the summer.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:07 pm

Normally a right side centre back. That must upset the rhythm.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:07 pm

We’ve got Gibson and Mee, not a problem with him playing the odd game, if we aren’t going to try to win a cup match you can’t blame him for being chosen.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:13 pm

The whole back 4 looked anxious right from the KO,what's more worrying is our 1st choice midfield were outplayed by a 2nd string from a club which is propping up the PL.

Let's hope this is only a blip,and not a sign of things to come in the rest of the season.For some reason no matter which XI we pick for cup games the intensity is missing compared to a PL match,i have to say those who decided to stay away today were sadly fully vindicated.

Oh! well i suppose if we beat the Gunners next week today will soon be forgotten,expectations are low in cups anyway these days.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by burnleymik » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:16 pm

I think it's clear we can't let Gibson go, as it stands.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:17 pm

Yes, he had a poor game, but don't just blame him.
Rodriguez missed an absolute sitter first few minutes.
That goes in, we've got a head start early doors
Awful finish, straight at the keeper.

Got to put those away, just as much as being better defensively.
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:25 pm

We are crying out for a midfielder with some muscle and pace, the board need to stop pleading poverty and get someone in ASAP
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:27 pm

Tbh it can’t be easy to play football at that level when you play one game every month or even less in Kevin’s case....

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Lord_Bob » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:27 pm

Burnleymik:
I think it's clear we can't let Gibson go, as it stands.
Of course you let Gibson go - and use that money on someone for the starting XI. Given our finances, what's the point of spending record money on a back up who never plays?

We need that money for someone who can impact the starting team. That means we have to deal with back ups like Long (who, to be fair has always done well in the past) and hope the starters are not injured / suspended for too long.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:30 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:25 pm
We are crying out for a midfielder with some muscle and pace, the board need to stop pleading poverty and get someone in ASAP
When have we pleaded poverty?

You do realise that any incomings have to be as good, but preferably better than we already have, right?

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:31 pm

The problem is quite clearly that we spend 18m on someone who cannot dislodge the 2 centre backs so how much do we need to pay for someone who can...you must be talking 30m + and we ain’t going to be paying that for a defender

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:31 pm
The problem is quite clearly that we spend 18m on someone who cannot dislodge the 2 centre backs so how much do we need to pay for someone who can...you must be talking 30m + and we ain’t going to be paying that for a defender
I see Gibson's fee keeps going up and up according to the experts on here.

:?

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:43 pm

When describing Long there is a major difference between "dependable" and "Premier quality"

Just look at the level of defenders on the bench at teams like Watford, Southampton,Brighton, even Norwich

Hopefully there is a positive and reality from today about some of our fringe players-with 5 days to go lets cash in if we can on some of them like Vydra (even less likely to start after today), Wells, Kevin Long, Lennon, Brady and Hart. This club is not structured to carry passengers. Lets see if we can free up wages to bring in some fresh faces that can make an impact

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Rumbletonk » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:45 pm

MDWat wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:05 pm
Long has never been good enough, even in the Championship. Surely we can get someone better as an adequate reserve. Needs to go in the summer.
That is very harsh. Hes been quality for the vast amount of games hes had to step in to fill a gap. You cant expect someone to perform at his best every time when he gets so little 1st team minutes. Great dependable squad player.

To say he's not good enough for the championship is nonsense
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:00 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:30 pm
When have we pleaded poverty?

You do realise that any incomings have to be as good, but preferably better than we already have, right?
Don’t you read the clubs pr?

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by agreenwood » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:16 pm

The thing with Long is that he’s getting by on training and behind closed doors friendlies alone.

It can’t be easy playing so little competitive football over a period that can be measured in years and then coming in and playing against players who are match sharp.

His choice of course, but it’d actually be hugely impressive for him to come in and play with real confidence.
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:26 pm

Poor today. Barring injuries/suspensions the next time we see him will be September. Just seems an odd way to go about things if the aim is to progress.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:58 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:00 pm
Don’t you read the clubs pr?
Yes. Do you?

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:05 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:58 pm
Yes. Do you?
:lol:

What’s the solution then or do you just want to argue with someone
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:12 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:05 pm
:lol:

What’s the solution then or do you just want to argue with someone
You asked me a question. I gave you an answer.

The club aren't pleading poverty. We'd all love a signing or two, but as already stated, they have to be better than players who currently occupy those positions.
Players like that do cost plenty of money, unless you are very lucky and land the mother of all bargains, but it's not the same as pleading poverty, just the reality of the situation.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:16 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:12 pm
You asked me a question. I gave you an answer.

The club aren't pleading poverty. We'd all love a signing or two, but as already stated, they have to be better than players who currently occupy those positions.
Players like that do cost plenty of money, unless you are very lucky and land the mother of all bargains, but it's not the same as pleading poverty, just the reality of the situation.
Fair play, all I see on sky sports is Dyche “don’t know if we have any money to spend” and Garlick banging on about the market being unaffordable, to me that smacks of we can’t afford to buy = pleading poverty.

I would expect Dyche to sell some of the perennial bench warmers and buy someone that’s actually going to challenge the first team.

Obv better players are going to be expensive, the market is only going one way
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:19 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:16 pm
Fair play, all I see on sky sports is Dyche “don’t know if we have any money to spend” and Garlick banging on about the market being unaffordable, to me that smacks of we can’t afford to buy = pleading poverty.

Obv better players are going to be expensive, the market is only going one way
We can afford to buy, but if the players are no better than what we have then what is the point?

Very good players do cost money. You do know that, don't you?

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:21 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:19 pm
We can afford to buy, but if the players are no better than what we have then what is the point?

Very good players do cost money. You do know that, don't you?
No I didn’t realise better players than what we have cost a lot of money :roll:
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:23 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:21 pm
No I didn’t realise better players than what we have cost a lot of money :roll:
Obviously sarcasm.

I really don't know what you're complaining about.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Longsidelenny » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:26 pm

Don’t have a go at long playing at the back he is a centre forward utc
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Re: Kevin Long

Post by burnleymik » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:27 pm

Lord_Bob wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:27 pm
Of course you let Gibson go - and use that money on someone for the starting XI. Given our finances, what's the point of spending record money on a back up who never plays?

We need that money for someone who can impact the starting team. That means we have to deal with back ups like Long (who, to be fair has always done well in the past) and hope the starters are not injured / suspended for too long.
I'd say in the Prem, if Tarks or Mee get an injury we need someone better than Long as a stand in. If Gibson goes would we spend that money on a replacement? Given the other areas of the squad seem in greater need of strengthening, I can't see them getting someone in.

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Goalposts » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:41 pm

to be fair as a right sided player he works better with ben mee, what today shows is that he struggles when paired with tarky as there both natural right sided players

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Re: Kevin Long

Post by Blackrod » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:48 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:13 pm
The whole back 4 looked anxious right from the KO,what's more worrying is our 1st choice midfield were outplayed by a 2nd string from a club which is propping up the PL.

Let's hope this is only a blip,and not a sign of things to come in the rest of the season.For some reason no matter which XI we pick for cup games the intensity is missing compared to a PL match,i have to say those who decided to stay away today were sadly fully vindicated.

Oh! well i suppose if we beat the Gunners next week today will soon be forgotten,expectations are low in cups anyway these days.
Spot on.

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