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And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:18 pm

Treat the competition and the fans with contempt and they won’t show up.

Nobody will convince me we will ever take any cup seriously under the current reigime.

And regardless of what anyone says that’s how we treat Europe.

The balance sheet looks good though.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by burnleymik » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:20 pm

That didn;t look a bad line-up to be fair, but I think it was clear from the off that the urgency wasn't there.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:20 pm

At least we got to see the lovely smile of Joe Hart.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by taio » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:20 pm

Aye poor and I'd have liked us to have gone through. But still feel really positive after the two previous great results and performances.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:21 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:18 pm
Treat the competition and the fans with contempt and they won’t show up.

Nobody will convince me we will ever take any cup seriously under the current reigime.

And regardless of what anyone says that’s how we treat Europe.

The balance sheet looks good though.

Utc
Yes, the balance sheet looks good, as does the league table, and ultimately both are more important than being in the draw for the 5th round of the cup.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:23 pm

That’s a bit unfair. You can’t keep banging on about not taking Europe seriously when we were very unlucky against Olympiakos.

As for today it was poor but mainly defensive rustiness from players unused to playing together. Norwich made 8 changes and looked more polished so it has naff all to do with taking it seriously...

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Right_winger » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:21 pm
Yes, the balance sheet looks good, as does the league table, and ultimately both are more important than being in the draw for the 5th round of the cup.
I can never find this attitude acceptable.

What are we a sporting club looking to win things or a business just looking to survive?
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:26 pm

Right_winger wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:24 pm
I can never find this attitude acceptable.

What are we a sporting club looking to win things or a business just looking to survive?
Both. I’m not entirely sure what relevance our balance sheet has on today’s result though. But our financial stability is without a doubt more important than winning a 4th round cup game.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:27 pm

Right_winger wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:24 pm
I can never find this attitude acceptable.

What are we a sporting club looking to win things or a business just looking to survive?
a business, like every single professional football club. The success we've had over the last decade has been utterly remarkable given the size of the club
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:28 pm

Lineup was fine, players didn't look up for it. Not sure how that can be at Dyches door.

Honestly, who cares?
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Hopey1786 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:31 pm

As long as we stay up i cudnt give a toss

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:34 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:20 pm
That didn;t look a bad line-up to be fair, but I think it was clear from the off that the urgency wasn't there.
That’s the problem. They’re under instructions to take it easy. That being the case play hungry kids.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:21 pm
Yes, the balance sheet looks good, as does the league table, and ultimately both are more important than being in the draw for the 5th round of the cup.
The balance sheet looks good?..........And how do you know that?

The last one we saw is over 18 months old.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:36 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:21 pm
Yes, the balance sheet looks good, as does the league table, and ultimately both are more important than being in the draw for the 5th round of the cup.
We can do both.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:36 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:34 pm
That’s the problem. They’re under instructions to take it easy. That being the case play hungry kids.
Under instructions to take it easy?

Really? :shock:
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:39 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:34 pm
They’re under instructions to take it easy.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:44 pm

I’m sensing somebody slightly on the wind up

Very poor today though, I agree with that.

I guess for us fans, being in the cup gives us something to remain excited about, it’s over for another season now and it’s all about survival.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Claretmisterg » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:46 pm

Most pleasing aspect of today was no injuries to key first team players

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:46 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:36 pm
Under instructions to take it easy?

Really? :shock:
It’s obvious. Look at every cup competition. Look at our record.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by jedi_master » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:48 pm

Shame we’re out, but (and I hate admitting I feel this way), I just don’t care.

I’d have bit your hand off for this last week of results, going out of a (now) meaningless cup competition that we’d never have won just doesn’t bother me anymore.

Modern football.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:49 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:46 pm
It’s obvious. Look at every cup competition. Look at our record.
Yes, we rest key players, like all teams do in the top two divisions nowadays, but that's really not the same as instructing the starting XI to take it easy!
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:50 pm

£10 for an adult and kids for a quid may well have got bums on seats.

Football is extremely expensive these days... it’s entirely feasible that people stayed away using the same reasoning that the club use regarding cup games. They prioritise the PL games, and that’s fair enough.

Result today means nowt to me.... all I wanted was for those playing to come thru unscathed.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:52 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:49 pm
Yes, we rest key players, like all teams do in the top two divisions nowadays, but that's really not the same as instructing the starting XI to take it easy!
Main goal scorer? Played.
Best defender? Played.
Captain? Played.
Best central midfielders? Played.

People are deluded if they think the manager / club care about anything bar 17th in the league.

Is what it is and used to it now. Thats why so many don’t bother.

It’s a real shame as yet again a good chance of a cup run.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:18 pm
Treat the competition and the fans with contempt and they won’t show up.

Nobody will convince me we will ever take any cup seriously under the current reigime.

And regardless of what anyone says that’s how we treat Europe.

The balance sheet looks good though.

Utc
Contempt is the correct word to use, very well put.

I won’t pay my hard earned cash to go on another cup match while Dyche is in charge, but this morning I was starting to vaguely entertain the notion of a cup run, with mild excitement, and I was thinking if they get to the quarter finals I will start attending them. Crikey, I can be a mug at times.

I haven’t even checked yet to see if Kevin Long, by far the worst player in the 22 starters, was played out of position (if so I will be angrier). If he was put in Mee’s role instead of moving Tarky across, against a lively and technical side, that would be another example of Dyche treating the cup with contempt because it would be obvious Long would be torn to shreds, which it sounded on commentary like he was. It was 8 days until the next game and a winter break shortly afterwards - Mee had to start.

p.s. winning twice this week is irrelevant to perfectly legitimate views on our stance in cups.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm

Bobinho - exactly why I didn’t bother. I treat the cup with the same contempt the club do. Which is disappointing as I love the competition and want to see us win a trophy.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by agreenwood » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm

I think SD’s priorities were demonstrated by his first two subs. They were both made with the league in mind, rather than improving the performance of the team.

I’ve got no major issue with that to be honest.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:52 pm
Main goal scorer? Played.
Best defender? Played.
Captain? Played.
Best central midfielders? Played.

People are deluded if they think the manager / club care about anything bar 17th in the league.

Is what it is and used to it now. Thats why so many don’t bother.

It’s a real shame as yet again a good chance of a cup run.
Our captain didn't play, but I take your point.

I still don't buy the idea of Dyche telling his players to take it easy though!
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:57 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:35 pm
The balance sheet looks good?..........And how do you know that?

The last one we saw is over 18 months old.
Do you not think the club will be posting another substantial profit?

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm
Bobinho - exactly why I didn’t bother. I treat the cup with the same contempt the club do. Which is disappointing as I love the competition and want to see us win a trophy.
we won the Championship and went 23 unbeaten - did you not see the blow up trophy ? ;) :D

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:59 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm
Our captain didn't play, but I take your point.

I still don't buy the idea of Dyche telling his players to take it easy though!
My mistake I realised he didn’t as soon as I posted for some reason was thinking Tarks was captain. but point remains it was a strong side.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:01 pm

Not sure about taking it easy but I think the last two games took their toll and it showed today with those players that played in them. Replacements like Lennon, Brady,Long are just not good enough at this level and sooner rather than later need to be moved on. I wouldn't swap the points we won this week for a cup win today but I fully accept that that feeling isn't universal.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:01 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:36 pm
We can do both.
We can do both, but there are two teams trying to win every game of football, and only one can - so I don’t see the point in stamping my feet whenever we’re not that team.

We played a strong side today but understandably rested a few key players. The players played with far less intensity which is totally understandable after the shift they put in just 60 odd hours before.

You’re full of contradictions. You moan about us not taking the cup seriously, despite fielding a strong side, yet minutes later you say we should just play the kids.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:10 pm

Anybody knows that if you take things easier this is when injuries can occur. If you go into a tackle half ar5ed you are more likely to get injured yourself.

We are more than capable of beating and losing to a prem team that has made more changes to personnel than us. You can’t just say we didn’t take it seriously because we lost. The first half was very even tbh and Rodriguez should score and we hit the bar.

In a week when we beat 2 of the top 6 it doesn’t need the inevitable doom mongers response because our defence was poor today. They looked like they hadn’t all played together much because they hadn’t. Norwich made 8 changes....

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:13 pm

Someone having a go at Dyche after our last two EPL results. Unbelievable.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:14 pm

Some people have to have something to moan about. It’s the first page of the small minded rule book

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:19 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:23 pm
That’s a bit unfair. You can’t keep banging on about not taking Europe seriously when we were very unlucky against Olympiakos.

As for today it was poor but mainly defensive rustiness from players unused to playing together. Norwich made 8 changes and looked more polished so it has naff all to do with taking it seriously...
Totally agree with that but the OP was always going to start this thread given he continually beats the same drum.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Hopey1786 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:20 pm

Never satisfied is james

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:24 pm

Hopey1786 wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:20 pm
Never satisfied is james
In the net....

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:57 pm
Do you not think the club will be posting another substantial profit?
Only as a result of the profit on sale of Vokes and Heaton. Without those we would have struggled to break-even, such is the enormity of our Wage bill now.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:28 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:25 pm
Only as a result of the profit on sale of Vokes and Heaton. Without those we would have struggled to break-even, such is the enormity of our Wage bill now.
So it would be correct to say that the balance sheet looks good?

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:30 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:48 pm
Shame we’re out, but (and I hate admitting I feel this way), I just don’t care.

I’d have bit your hand off for this last week of results, going out of a (now) meaningless cup competition that we’d never have won just doesn’t bother me anymore.

Modern football.
My feelings pretty much. But there have been posters who would take relegation for an FA Cup win - a very sobering thought.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:01 pm
We can do both, but there are two teams trying to win every game of football, and only one can - so I don’t see the point in stamping my feet whenever we’re not that team.

We played a strong side today but understandably rested a few key players. The players played with far less intensity which is totally understandable after the shift they put in just 60 odd hours before.

You’re full of contradictions. You moan about us not taking the cup seriously, despite fielding a strong side, yet minutes later you say we should just play the kids.
I didn’t say that. I said if we don’t take it seriously we may as well play the kids.

If we don’t want to win, which today and our record in every cup for the last eight years shows that we don’t, then why risk wood and Tarkowski etc

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:28 pm
So it would be correct to say that the balance sheet looks good?
That can only be conjecture at this moment in time, and some speculation on my part. A lot can happen financially in the 18 months since we last saw a Profit & Loss account. As I said the real killer now has become the size of Wage bill, particularly with a drop in Income for the '18/'19 season.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:19 pm
Totally agree with that but the OP was always going to start this thread given he continually beats the same drum.
So is the forums moderator happy with our efforts and results in the cup for the last 8 years?

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by taio » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:42 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:36 pm
So is the forums moderator happy with our efforts and results in the cup for the last 8 years?
I doubt anyone is happy but at the same time most people don't resort to your level of fickleness.
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Clarets4me » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:42 pm

To sum up, if the Club and it's management aren't prepared to give 100% commitment to a particular Competition, they can hardly be surprised if the fans respond in kind ......
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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by NL Claret » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:43 pm

I didn't go today as I lost complete interest in the FA Cup years ago. It started with semi finals at Wembley, then United didn't bother playing in it, then stuff like pink balls, the draw taking place during the one show before we played Spurs on a Monday night and playing the games over ridiculous times over the weekend.

I'm not going to start a thread though laying all this at Sean Dyche's door though whilst trying to become an elite UTC poster.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:43 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:42 pm
I doubt anyone is happy but at the same time most people don't resort to your level of fickleness.
Spot on

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:30 pm
My feelings pretty much. But there have been posters who would take relegation for an FA Cup win - a very sobering thought.
I’d love to see a cup win, I’ve enjoyed watching us in the premier league but enjoyed watching us in the championship so I’d probably take a cup win over finishing 17th. I was gutted when we were relegated last time but soon got over it , each to their own though, there’s no right and wrong despite what some people believe.

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Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Post by Leisure » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:54 pm
Bobinho - exactly why I didn’t bother. I treat the cup with the same contempt the club do. Which is disappointing as I love the competition and want to see us win a trophy.
And maybe the club treat the cup with the same contempt as some so called fans do.

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