Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
With the only arrival being Brownhill ( and I think it's a good purchase) has this window been another flop in terms of player recruitment and squad strengthening?
How many is that now that fans have been left a bit underwhelmed and the squad looking a little weak?
How many is that now that fans have been left a bit underwhelmed and the squad looking a little weak?
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
The problem is past summer windows.
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I’m not underwhelmed at all. I’m satisfied with our purchase and also satisfied we ****** off teams around us by not giving in to demands for our players.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Decent window, for me.
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I think it's been a pleasing window actually, but that's probably down to the very successful lowering of expectations by the club. To the extent where we're now suggesting we have to sell to buy. That's concerning because this summer we have a number of players (almost certainly) departing for nothing, so will we have anything available to replace them with?
Nevertheless, Josh Brownhill is a strong addition and I'm looking forward to seeing him in action.
Nevertheless, Josh Brownhill is a strong addition and I'm looking forward to seeing him in action.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
I don't see what the problem is.
Each season we seem to comfortably survive with a bit to spare and we look like doing the same again.
Each season we seem to comfortably survive with a bit to spare and we look like doing the same again.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Didn't lose McNeil or Tarks
Added a midfielder
happy with that
Added a midfielder
happy with that
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Anyone suggesting that we’ve got no money doesn’t understand having a poker face and how to negotiate deals. The last thing we should be doing is saying to selling clubs what our budget actually is - all they’ll do is pull our pants down on any transfers
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
I think that's quite harsh on Dyche. I'm sure he does know what those two things are.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Very happy
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
I'm happy,just get Hendrick to sign a new contract next week and then I'll be buzzing.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
I suspect other clubs can work out what our budget is by what our nett spend is each year...
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
For a January window, it's been excellent. No player can really integrate themselves within the group, and make an immediate impact in the short timescale that this part of the season allows.
Summer is the time to introduce new faces and get the whole group up to speed at the same time.
Summer is the time to introduce new faces and get the whole group up to speed at the same time.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Needed a midfielder
Got one
Perhaps more by accident than design but got to say that’ll do
Got one
Perhaps more by accident than design but got to say that’ll do
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Not sure what some people were expecting, but a decent central midfielder, for me makes it a good one.
A young right back with pace would have been nice but I'm sure we will address that close season
A young right back with pace would have been nice but I'm sure we will address that close season
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Add to that you have to end up paying double the price for a player in January.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:42 pmFor a January window, it's been excellent. No player can really integrate themselves within the group, and make an immediate impact in the short timescale that this part of the season allows.
Summer is the time to introduce new faces and get the whole group up to speed at the same time.
We do need to add to the squad but not at panic buying time.
We've still got McNeil and that is a huge plus point!
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Reasonable window Brownhill's a good purchase and hasn't broke the bank,Wells made his money back more or less,and we got Drinkwater's wages off the books,it was never going to be a busy window for us,the summer will be make or break though,we'll have to turnover a lot of players,perhaps for the first time in Sean's reign,and integrate several incomings into the squad.
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Only done what was expected but sounds like that would not had gone through but for Wells which is very worrying - anyway roll on next few months and get safe and then let the major rebuild commence in the summer
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
If our squad never had gaping holes in several positions then Yes you could consider this a reasonable window..
But our squad does have gaping holes which we haven’t resolved so it’s fair to say a below par window ( again ) from us. I do agree though with the opinion that it’s more the accumulation of poor windows which taints this one also.
But our squad does have gaping holes which we haven’t resolved so it’s fair to say a below par window ( again ) from us. I do agree though with the opinion that it’s more the accumulation of poor windows which taints this one also.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
How are we going to fund this big summer rebuild ?
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Not sure there will be a big summer rebuild?
I can already imagine the disappointment from the folk who think we need to or will do
I can already imagine the disappointment from the folk who think we need to or will do
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We do have quite a number out of contract in the summer though, along with a couple who've not been playing at all and will surely move on.
Doubt it will be a big summer rebuild job, whatever that is, but we'll need more new guys than we usually bring in.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Well then, another moan at our club.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
The problem is that people are obsessed about transfer windows in blissful ignorance of where we keep finishing in the league and how the club is improving overall every season....
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
With only a few wins needed to keep us up now was an excellent time to gamble to an extent ahead of summer.
Dyche never does big overhauls. But this summer will be with Vydra, Gibson, Hart, Lennon almost definitely off in summer. Hendrick probably. Brady not good enough. Lowton out of form for 18 months. Bardsley 35. Barnes, Cork, Westwood, Long, Mee, Pieters all 30 plus going into next season.
At least an extra body in one of right back, right mid or up top would have made the summer job easier and two players already integrated ahead of the start of next season.
Summer is going to be huge. We cant afford not to invest with first team ready players in July.
Dyche never does big overhauls. But this summer will be with Vydra, Gibson, Hart, Lennon almost definitely off in summer. Hendrick probably. Brady not good enough. Lowton out of form for 18 months. Bardsley 35. Barnes, Cork, Westwood, Long, Mee, Pieters all 30 plus going into next season.
At least an extra body in one of right back, right mid or up top would have made the summer job easier and two players already integrated ahead of the start of next season.
Summer is going to be huge. We cant afford not to invest with first team ready players in July.
Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Not much happened anywhere.
Hull let Bowen and Grosicki go. Must be a bit short of cash or don't want the wages.
Hull let Bowen and Grosicki go. Must be a bit short of cash or don't want the wages.
Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
I’m happy with window! What were people expecting, I think we’re stronger than when the window opened
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Wouldnt have minded either or both of them. Clearly Grosicki isnt the future and we had our issues with him in the past. But he gets and makes goals everywhere he goes. Would have been a decent short term plan B.
Bowen at the price he has gone for in 'todays market' would have definitely been a good move imo.
Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Jim Bowen here’s who you could have signed
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
SD has essentially laid out the club's strategy in his press conference today. We had been researching Brownhill, found out BCFC were interested in Wells in order to let the deal happen, recalled Wells from QPR and the deal was done. Allegedly £5 million according to the Burnley FC facebook page.
BFC have a business model that, so far, has been mainly successful under Sean Dyche. Spend not a lot, get maximum value from those you buy (even those who are not 1st team regulars) and sell for as much as possible if the right pieces are in place. It may not always provide great football for us supporters to watch but it keeps SD in his job and the players well remunerated.
Transfer windows, in his opinion, need to be evaluated after a season. Did your deals work out? Has it improved your squad, just maintained what level you were at, or did it lower your on-field competitiveness? Good players move for lots of money and may prove their worth - or be of less value to your squad than a guy who cost next to nothing.
BFC have a business model that, so far, has been mainly successful under Sean Dyche. Spend not a lot, get maximum value from those you buy (even those who are not 1st team regulars) and sell for as much as possible if the right pieces are in place. It may not always provide great football for us supporters to watch but it keeps SD in his job and the players well remunerated.
Transfer windows, in his opinion, need to be evaluated after a season. Did your deals work out? Has it improved your squad, just maintained what level you were at, or did it lower your on-field competitiveness? Good players move for lots of money and may prove their worth - or be of less value to your squad than a guy who cost next to nothing.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Great window. Kept hold of our Jewell’s and brought in a hungry addition to the squad.
How could anybody think otherwise.
Well done BFC #utc
How could anybody think otherwise.
Well done BFC #utc
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
And we can't afford to go out and invest in 1st team ready players either. Those guys are VERY expensive because every other PL team are looking for them too. And probably quite a few of the wealthier Championship clubs too.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:11 pmSummer is going to be huge. We cant afford not to invest with first team ready players in July.
Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Assuming we get the players in, in time for that integration period. From that perspective, ignoring what might be inflated prices, January has advantages.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:42 pmFor a January window, it's been excellent. No player can really integrate themselves within the group, and make an immediate impact in the short timescale that this part of the season allows.
Summer is the time to introduce new faces and get the whole group up to speed at the same time.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
No it's not another poor to average window is the response.
In the last 2 league games we have come from behind to beat one of the strongest sides in the league and outplayed and beat a side good enough to be almost unbeatable at home before we played them.
In the last 2 league games we have come from behind to beat one of the strongest sides in the league and outplayed and beat a side good enough to be almost unbeatable at home before we played them.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Fast forward to the 1st september and we will be having the same thread having signed a right back from Fleetwood
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
'Paul' the other oneBurnleyareback2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:19 pmGreat window. Kept hold of our Jewell’s and brought in a hungry addition to the squad.
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Where are these gaping holes?Right_winger wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:49 pmIf our squad never had gaping holes in several positions then Yes you could consider this a reasonable window..
But our squad does have gaping holes which we haven’t resolved so it’s fair to say a below par window ( again ) from us. I do agree though with the opinion that it’s more the accumulation of poor windows which taints this one also.
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Thats the spirit. Lets start next season with
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Average age - 30. With very little pace.
Had we got just one more body in this month it would have made summer much easier with us being able to get more squad bodies in.
As it stands we dont have anywhere near enough youth and pace.
Brownhill appears to be a good signing and the perfect profile. We need more of that though.
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It’s been a decent window.
We all know the squad is ageing and we need younger bodies in. But January has never and will never be the time to make huge changes. Look at everybody else. No club does it nowadays.
I’m the first to criticise when things need criticising. But nkt this window. Any body expecting loads of signings is a bit of a numpty.
We all know the squad is ageing and we need younger bodies in. But January has never and will never be the time to make huge changes. Look at everybody else. No club does it nowadays.
I’m the first to criticise when things need criticising. But nkt this window. Any body expecting loads of signings is a bit of a numpty.
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just beaten leicester and man utd, and gunners are next on the chopping block, not bad for a team of aging crocks in my opinion.
and I think the new lad will do just fine.
and I think the new lad will do just fine.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Midfield requires urgently upgraded. Right winger required, right full back required, to a lesser extent a number 10/ second striker required.
That’s before you even look at the age and lack of athleticism within the squad.
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Where are these gaping holes?Right_winger wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:49 pmMidfield requires urgently upgraded. Right winger required, right full back required, to a lesser extent a number 10/ second striker required.
That’s before you even look at the age and lack of athleticism within the squad.
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We don't try for pace. Virtually every other Premier club is trying to sign players who are fast. We have less money than them so we shop in a different market. Obviously pace is a good thing, but Dyche isn't willing to sacrifice other attributes just to get a fast runner.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:37 pmThats the spirit. Lets start next season with
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Average age - 30. With very little pace.
Had we got just one more body in this month it would have made summer much easier with us being able to get more squad bodies in.
As it stands we dont have anywhere near enough youth and pace.
Brownhill appears to be a good signing and the perfect profile. We need more of that though.
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I don't judge Burnley FC on our transfer business, all I care about is finishing 17th or above
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Strengthened the only area that desperately needed it and still have balance and cover across our squad with the possible exception of CF depending on your opinions of Vydra.
January is not the right time for a rebuild and I think we have played it fairly well.
Summer could be interesting depending on what happens contractually between now and then and whether there are any youngsters waiting in the wings by then.
January is not the right time for a rebuild and I think we have played it fairly well.
Summer could be interesting depending on what happens contractually between now and then and whether there are any youngsters waiting in the wings by then.
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Whilst several of the players are getting older you are being very disingenuous by putting Bardsley and Lennon as starters on the right hand side and leaving players such as JBG (29) & Lowton (31 when the season starts) on the sidelines. No place for Brownhill in there either. Last time I looked at the PL table I didn't notice any bonus points for either youthfulness of your squad or pace. Despite the notion that "we dont have anywhere near enough youth and pace" we have 30 points from our 24 games to date which is 25% over a point per game and is the same as Arsenal, Palace, Everton and Newcastle have achieved with their 'younger and pacier' (and more expensively put together) squads.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:37 pmThats the spirit. Lets start next season with
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Average age - 30. With very little pace.
Had we got just one more body in this month it would have made summer much easier with us being able to get more squad bodies in.
As it stands we dont have anywhere near enough youth and pace.
Brownhill appears to be a good signing and the perfect profile. We need more of that though.
In addition, I did not say we won't bring in new players. Just that we will almost certainly not go for proven 1st team ready players. They are practically guaranteed to be to expensive to buy and have wage demands that we will refuse to even contemplate for obvious reasons.
We will likely go for similar buys to those deals we have made in the past (including this month) Decent non-PL players that the club believe will grow to be good PL players e.g Tarkowsky, Pope, Mee, Trippier, Wells, Vydra, Brownhill; OR players who had been to the show (to steal a US Baseball phrase) and proved they could do it but have since dropped down the leagues with their clubs e.g Wood, Walters, Pieters, Gibson, Rodriguez, Bardsley, Brady, Crouch. Not all will work out to be good signings. Not all will become the asset on the pitch the club, the manager or even the player hoped they would. You have to gamble a little. But, when you are as relatively poor as we are, your bets have to be smaller and your success rate has to be greater than the mega rich.
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Lowton is woefuly out of form and JBG increasingly injured. And even including them hardly does much to the average age of the team.bfcmik wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:20 amWhilst several of the players are getting older you are being very disingenuous by putting Bardsley and Lennon as starters on the right hand side and leaving players such as JBG (29) & Lowton (31 when the season starts) on the sidelines. No place for Brownhill in there either.
As for brownhill. I hope he does come in and start. But Wood is the last player Dyche signed who starts regular. (Obviously Jay will be added to that now Barnes is injured).
We dont need to sign other premier league clubs first players. But players from elsewhere can come in and be our first choice. As thats we need first choice players for us!
Whats the alternative? Keep Cork, Mee and Barnes for 10 more years?
Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Added a first team player and got rid of one that we were paying to play for someone else
What’s not to like.
What’s not to like.
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Re: Well then, is that now another poor to average windows?
Out of interest, and with respect, how long do you think you would be satisfied with that? Have you any other longer term aspirations? Serious question asked with genuine interest.CombatClaret wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:11 amI don't judge Burnley FC on our transfer business, all I care about is finishing 17th or above