Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by IanMcL » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:59 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:43 pm
With safe standing coming in soon if Burnley are gonna spend some cash redeveloping the ground they'd prob be best doing a Brighton and getting a smart new stadium on the outskirts of the local area.
Wash your mouth with soap and water!
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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Spijed » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:37 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:57 am
If we qualify for Europe this season - we will have to rip out all the wooden seats in both the Cricketfield and Bob Lord, we should just put rail seats in the Cricketfield then - you can put them in just not lock the seats up - we should have done that last time as it is much safer to have that rail in front of fans, given that the majority stand
I thought you only needed plastic seats:

1) For away supporters only if you reach the group stages of the Europa league

2) For home supporters once you get into the knock out stages thereafter

Hence why we had to order the current plastic seats for away fans, just in case we'd beaten Olympiakos, but we never installed them until the start of this season because they were going spare.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:54 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:57 am
If we qualify for Europe this season - we will have to rip out all the wooden seats in both the Cricketfield and Bob Lord, we should just put rail seats in the Cricketfield then - you can put them in just not lock the seats up - we should have done that last time as it is much safer to have that rail in front of fans, given that the majority stand
It would be interesting to see how the numbers increased on the gates if all wooden seats replaced in CF S and BL S :roll:

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Gordaleman » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:57 am

Bosscat wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:54 am
It would be interesting to see how the numbers increased on the gates if all wooden seats replaced in CF S and BL S :roll:
It would certainly stop the guy with long legs behind me, kicking me half a dozen times each game. ;)

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:04 pm

rob63 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:49 pm
I know, why not move to Old Trafford......that's handy for the M56 & Altrincham! :lol: :lol:
Nice idea but Old Trafford way to big for us and would seen even sillier when we have been relegated a few times and are back to 9k-10k attendances

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:57 am
If we qualify for Europe this season - we will have to rip out all the wooden seats in both the Cricketfield and Bob Lord, we should just put rail seats in the Cricketfield then - you can put them in just not lock the seats up - we should have done that last time as it is much safer to have that rail in front of fans, given that the majority stand
It would be interesting to see how the numbers increased on the gates if all wooden seats replaced in CF S and BL S :roll:

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Ric_C » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:18 pm

For me, any improvements to the ground should be to try and make the place more atmospheric. maybe take a leaf out of some of the new Stands in Germany.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by IanMcL » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:22 pm

Behind the scenes facilities should be upgraded.
Those Japanese self vending set ups come to mind, to reduce queuing and increase choice.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Spike » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:58 pm

I believe the next stage of the redeveopment would indeed involve ironwork. New larger optics so that bigger bottles of Benedictine can be used

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:17 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:37 am
I thought you only needed plastic seats:

1) For away supporters only if you reach the group stages of the Europa league

2) For home supporters once you get into the knock out stages thereafter

Hence why we had to order the current plastic seats for away fans, just in case we'd beaten Olympiakos, but we never installed them until the start of this season because they were going spare.
I believed we were given a pass last time having not expected to qualify for the europa league, however this time such an exemption would be unlikely.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by TsarBomba » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:37 pm

I hate to think how much we’ve spent over the past 10 years titivating various parts of the ground. £10’s of millions I would guess.

There really needs to be a medium to long term plan in place for redevelopment, instead of this seemingly piecemeal approach. Nothing lines up, and the overall appearance of the Turf is shabby.

We don’t need to spend a fortune. Another tier on the BL, if it’s possible, and a huge bank behind the goal with safe standing.

Get it done.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:14 pm

Visiting teams dislike coming to the Turf apparently, the austere surroundings not being to their taste.

So keep it like it is.

And put the heating in the away dressing room on full blast in August/September and off in Dec/Jan /Feb. 8-)
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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by aggi » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:16 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:24 am
Spurs sell 65,000 pints?

I doubt 1 in 5 of our capacity drink beer at the ground let alone the same proportion of 60,000+. That's an awful lot of beer being consumed by possibly so few people.
It sounds possible. They open quite a while before the match and stay open for a fair bit after and it's currently a "destination" ground so you're getting a different crowd than quick pint before the match/half time. Also far fewer people driving to the match than somewhere like Burnley.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Sproggy » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:31 pm

A decent sized fanzone would be nice. Or a decent sized cover on the one we've got. The excitement of squashing together under a pub brolly trying not to get soaked wears off after a while.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Down_Rover » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm

turfytopper wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:30 pm
If they take 14 grand they must be charging around £8 a pint lol
Chelsea fans don't drink beer. Its for the poor people

More like 500 bottles of champers and a few jugs of Pimms
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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Corky » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:23 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:58 pm
Chelsea fans don't drink beer. Its for the poor people

More like 500 bottles of champers and a few jugs of Pimms
There speaks someone who has probably never been to London in his life. Clearly you have also never experienced walking through Stockwell Park Estate either?

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Gordaleman » Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:55 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:14 pm
Visiting teams dislike coming to the Turf apparently, the austere surroundings not being to their taste.

So keep it like it is.

And put the heating in the away dressing room on full blast in August/September and off in Dec/Jan /Feb. 8-)
I thought we did those things already? ;)

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by box_of_frogs » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:28 pm

Corky wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:23 pm
There speaks someone who has probably never been to London in his life. Clearly you have also never experienced walking through Stockwell Park Estate either?
Is that in / near Chelsea?

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by icu81b4 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:46 pm

Somebody rumored a Burnley and Bolton team merger, thereby picking up their new stadium near the M61 and an increase in fans across the region, Burnley Wanders FC would need a new Claret and Blue and White strip etc....







I think the guy who suggested it was called Owen "something"

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:06 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:46 pm
Somebody rumored a Burnley and Bolton team merger, thereby picking up their new stadium near the M61 and an increase in fans across the region, Burnley Wanders FC would need a new Claret and Blue and White strip etc....







I think the guy who suggested it was called Owen "something"
I think your confusing that with the Blackburn/ Bury tie up and calling themselves "Blackbury Rovers AFC" and a rather un-fetching Black, Blue and white tricolour kit

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Post by IanMcL » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:11 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:46 pm
Somebody rumored a Burnley and Bolton team merger, thereby picking up their new stadium near the M61 and an increase in fans across the region, Burnley Wanders FC would need a new Claret and Blue and White strip etc...


I think the guy who suggested it was called Owen "something"
The team of 2 decades!

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Post by Corky » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:48 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:28 pm
Is that in / near Chelsea?
No not quite, but neither is Chelsea FC
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Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:59 pm

I think it would be great, and not too costly going off the clubs turnover, to at least redevelop the CFS, with safe standing, and a design to capture the atmosphere. Corner could also be filled with hospitality and player dressing rooms where the tunnel is.

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Post by NEILTHO61 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:14 am

A bronze statue of Sean Dyche

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by dsr » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:43 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:37 am
Hence why we had to order the current plastic seats for away fans, just in case we'd beaten Olympiakos, but we never installed them until the start of this season because they were going spare.
If they take my comfortable wide wooden seat off me, I'd be going spare as well. :evil:
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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 am

I was thinking they should replace the metal work with glass so there’s no restricted views, you could literally sit behind a pillar and never need to arch your neck again.

Can’t believe we haven’t already done this

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Spijed » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:49 am

dsr wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:43 am
If they take my comfortable wide wooden seat off me, I'd be going spare as well. :evil:
I've never understood why people want to sit on plastic seats
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Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:12 am

I fully understand the club's predicament. A prolonged stay in the PL simply emphasises how dated, tatty, shabby and increasingly unfit for purpose some parts of our ground are becoming, BUT committing to a big investment, say in the most obvious area I.E. the CFS would mean probably a season of disruption with no stand (or revenue) behind the goal. It would also mean a serious sit down with Burnley CC about the best way forward in order to build something worthwhile and progressive and it would inevitably divert funds from strengthening the playing side which is clearly the biggest worry. I actually believe the situation is rapidly becoming critical and as extremely astute chaps Garlick and the board must see that too. But they are in a tough spot and absolutely the last thing they want to do is chuck millions at a shiny new stand and immediately go down to the Championship as everyone would then look rather stupid! One thing that imo opinion makes things SLIGHTLY easier is that we really don't need to be building to increase capacity (maybe a thousand or two, if at all) as 95% of games we won't sell those seats whatever happens in the future.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:28 am

Spijed wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:49 am
I've never understood why people want to sit on plastic seats
I've never sat on wood and thought, that's comfortable though either. They're larger but still uncomfortable

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:08 am

NEILTHO61 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:14 am
A bronze statue of Sean Dyche
No. They only do things like that when people have left, or died, and we don't want either of those things to happen for a long while yet.

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Post by IanMcL » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:16 am

How about a roof structure to cover the entire external area by the Longside stand?

That would enable folk to remain outside, without getting wet.
Some blow heaters for really cold days.
Lots of pop up islands to provide food and drink, with some seating. Could expand the offering significantly.

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Post by dsr » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:23 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:08 am
No. They only do things like that when people have left, or died, and we don't want either of those things to happen for a long while yet.
Or ever!

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:44 am

oops wrong thread
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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:30 am

There is no need for a new tier on the BL. There is plenty of room to extend it backwards to the kerb edge. The bonus being it would keep folks out of the rain, on Harry Potts Way.

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Post by Claretforever » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:38 am

I still believe the Europa League is a long way off for us again, but I’m sure the issue with the wooden seats wasn’t the material (we apparently did fire tests for the UEFA representatives and our wooden ones took longer to burn than the plastic ones!), but more the size of the seat back. Ours are around 10cm, but there is a 30cm minimum requirement.

Fan zone development with more cover would have been nice, and I like the fanzone more than the pub, but it’s clear the club aren’t going to do anything with it so I’m glad to hear the refurbished Park View is re-opening for the next home match.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:53 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:30 am
There is no need for a new tier on the BL. There is plenty of room to extend it backwards to the kerb edge. The bonus being it would keep folks out of the rain, on Harry Potts Way.
Redeveloping the Bob Lord would be more than just increasing capacity.

Increasing premium seating.
Upgrading the corporate facilities.
Building new changing rooms in there that belong in there.
Better press facilities.
Cameras on that side for when the low sun causes problems. Although the new stand might stop them.

It will give a lot more revenue than a new cricketfield stand.

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Post by Clarets4me » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:47 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:53 am
Redeveloping the Bob Lord would be more than just increasing capacity.

Increasing premium seating.
Upgrading the corporate facilities.
Building new changing rooms in there that belong in there.
Better press facilities.
Cameras on that side for when the low sun causes problems. Although the new stand might stop them.

It will give a lot more revenue than a new cricketfield stand.
I'm not too sure about that ..

The Bob Lord Corporate Lounges were upgraded fairly recently and at present there's nothing by the way of premium seating in the CFS. I understand there's a waiting list for Corporate boxes, at least whilst we're in the Premier League. I like the fact that the changing rooms are behind the goals, it's different for the opposition .... reminds them where they are and that, hopefully, that there're in for a tough afternoon !
Cameras and Press facilities are fine at present, surely !

There may be reasons why this can't be done, but what about a new Cricket Field Stand, with a new Burnley CC Clubhouse, with seating etc built on to the back, a scaled down arrangement of what's at Headingley, Leeds .... which has the Cricket and Rugby stands backing on to each other, and at Cardiff, where the old " Cardiff Arms Park " shares a back to back stand with the Millenium Stadium. The away turnstiles could even access the new stand via the Cricket Club, which could be a benefit in terms of Crowd control. The Cricket Club get their infrastructure completely renewed, in exchange for a small area of land, as well as guaranteed business as away fans are channeled in via their facilities ...

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Post by dsr » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:58 pm

Claretforever wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:38 am
I still believe the Europa League is a long way off for us again, but I’m sure the issue with the wooden seats wasn’t the material (we apparently did fire tests for the UEFA representatives and our wooden ones took longer to burn than the plastic ones!), but more the size of the seat back. Ours are around 10cm, but there is a 30cm minimum requirement.
In that case, UEFA are just as idiotic as if it was a fire test. If comfort is what they're after, why not just sit in them, decide they're comfortable, and let it go?

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:11 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:47 pm
I'm not too sure about that ..

The Bob Lord Corporate Lounges were upgraded fairly recently and at present there's nothing by the way of premium seating in the CFS. I understand there's a waiting list for Corporate boxes, at least whilst we're in the Premier League. I like the fact that the changing rooms are behind the goals, it's different for the opposition .... reminds them where they are and that, hopefully, that there're in for a tough afternoon !
Cameras and Press facilities are fine at present, surely !

There may be reasons why this can't be done, but what about a new Cricket Field Stand, with a new Burnley CC Clubhouse, with seating etc built on to the back, a scaled down arrangement of what's at Headingley, Leeds .... which has the Cricket and Rugby stands backing on to each other, and at Cardiff, where the old " Cardiff Arms Park " shares a back to back stand with the Millenium Stadium. The away turnstiles could even access the new stand via the Cricket Club, which could be a benefit in terms of Crowd control. The Cricket Club get their infrastructure completely renewed, in exchange for a small area of land, as well as guaranteed business as away fans are channeled in via their facilities ...
My priority would be to keep seats behind the goal as cheap as possible, giving as many people in the town the opportunity to watch us.

But I would also like the club to improve where it can as well.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:33 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:30 am
There is no need for a new tier on the BL. There is plenty of room to extend it backwards to the kerb edge. The bonus being it would keep folks out of the rain, on Harry Potts Way.
The club won't own up to the kerb edge though. Although no practical reason why they couldn't extend as far as the club shop frontage. But that would be a relatively small amount of extra seats gained for quite a large expense. I would suggest replacing the wooden seats with smaller plastic seats would be the most efficient way to increase the attendance.

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Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:33 pm
The club won't own up to the kerb edge though. Although no practical reason why they couldn't extend as far as the club shop frontage. But that would be a relatively small amount of extra seats gained for quite a large expense. I would suggest replacing the wooden seats with smaller plastic seats would be the most efficient way to increase the attendance.
To be honest, until this thread started, I hadn't realised just how far the back of the Bob Lord is from Harry Potts Way. If the new offices could bear the weight, then new corporate facilities could be accomodated under a new section. Just stretching the stand backwards would make the main BFC facade look a bit odd. Either way, we could add about another 1,500 seats, which I think would be plenty. Or we could add corporate boxes if the demand is there.

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Post by AndyClaret » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:33 pm
The club won't own up to the kerb edge though. Although no practical reason why they couldn't extend as far as the club shop frontage. But that would be a relatively small amount of extra seats gained for quite a large expense. I would suggest replacing the wooden seats with smaller plastic seats would be the most efficient way to increase the attendance.
You could quite easily get another 15 rows in, about 3000 seats.

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Post by Clarets4me » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:33 pm
The club won't own up to the kerb edge though. Although no practical reason why they couldn't extend as far as the club shop frontage. But that would be a relatively small amount of extra seats gained for quite a large expense. I would suggest replacing the wooden seats with smaller plastic seats would be the most efficient way to increase the attendance.
Now people are bigger than when the stand went up nearly 50 years ago, we reduce the seat size ?

The old Wembley had a capacity of 100,000, as I think most would know, but it was eventually reduced to 92,000 for the Rugby League Challenge Cup final, as Rugby League fans were bigger on average than Football fans !!

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Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:54 pm

AndyClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:46 pm
You could quite easily get another 15 rows in, about 3000 seats.
As the Bob Lord only houses about 2,500 at the moment, I think another 3,000 from 15 rows is stretching it a bit.

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Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:56 pm

AndyClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:46 pm
You could quite easily get another 15 rows in, about 3000 seats.
I still think we're going down the wrong route and making things much more complicated than they already are if we are trying to factor in an increase in overall capacity. Certain areas of the ground need serious work if not a rebuild and that in itself presents enough problems, but we really don't need extra seats. We only sell out a few times a season and although we could possibly sell maybe a thousand or so more on those few occasions, it wouldn't be something we really need.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by claretandy » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:01 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:56 pm
I still think we're going down the wrong route and making things much more complicated than they already are if we are trying to factor in an increase in overall capacity. Certain areas of the ground need serious work if not a rebuild and that in itself presents enough problems, but we really don't need extra seats. We only sell out a few times a season and although we could possibly sell maybe a thousand or so more on those few occasions, it wouldn't be something we really need.
Claret Tony has said that we have to turn corporate clients away as there are no seats for them. Plus anyone wanting 4 tickets together with a decent view is struggling at the minute.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by claretandy » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:03 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:54 pm
As the Bob Lord only houses about 2,500 at the moment, I think another 3,000 from 15 rows is stretching it a bit.

The bob lord only has about 20 rows, and don't forget the big leather seats in the middle. Done all in plastic will increase capacity as well.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:16 pm

claretandy wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:03 pm
The bob lord only has about 20 rows, and don't forget the big leather seats in the middle. Done all in plastic will increase capacity as well.
Not by 3,000 mate. Anyway, it's probably irrelevant as I've nothing at all about anything being done and I think we would have been told by now, due to the disruption in season tickets for our next season in th PL.

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Down_Rover » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:57 pm

Corky wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:23 pm
There speaks someone who has probably never been to London in his life. Clearly you have also never experienced walking through Stockwell Park Estate either?
Well how wrong can you be. Probably spent more time than most on here in London

For the record Stockwell Park is a good half hour, probably 5 miles from Stamford Bridge. More importantly on the other side of the big blue watery thing.

To say there are close by is akin to saying Hale Barns is like Wythenshawe

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Re: Next redevelopment at the Turf .... ?

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:16 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 pm
Now people are bigger than when the stand went up nearly 50 years ago, we reduce the seat size ?

The old Wembley had a capacity of 100,000, as I think most would know, but it was eventually reduced to 92,000 for the Rugby League Challenge Cup final, as Rugby League fans were bigger on average than Football fans !!
Well yes. The Bob lord seats are significantly bigger than the plastic seats in the two newest stands and they are adequately sized. At a guess I would say you could fit 4 plastic seats in the space of 3 wooden seats - which would be an increase of 800-1000 seats. From a commercial point of view it would be worthwhile.

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