Covid-19

[Gordaleman]

Interesting FACT on tonight's 6 pm news.

Of the 100,000 people worldwide who have contracted this virus, 55,000 have fully recovered already. So instead of sying that there are 100,000 cases, why doesn't the media ease people's fear and give true figures of those who actually have it.

No doubt, that a proportion of the 163 cases in the UK, have already recovered as well.

It will get a lot worse, but not as bad as the doomsters would have us believe.

[Zlatan]

Have a look in 9-12 months as to what it will be

I’ll just do that eh, maybe you should too. 12 months time there’ll likely be a vaccine and also a toilet roll surplus

[claret2018]

Apparently they’ve banned us from p*ssing in the sinks?! WTF?

[thatdberight]

No doubt, that a proportion of the 163 cases in the UK, have already recovered as well.

11% of them

[Gordaleman]

I’ll just do that eh, maybe you should too. 12 months time there’ll likely be a vaccine and also a toilet roll surplus

I wouldn't rely too much on a vaccine. There's a vaccine for Flu and it still kills thousands every year in the UK.

In the unlikely event that this virus ever comes near Flu's figures, then maybe I'll worry a little bit. It killed 100, 000 in Britain in 1989 / 90. Until then, I'll wash my hands and carry on as normal.

Out tonight to the Comedy Night at Nelson Cricket Club and on'turf tomorrow. It's all go.

[Gordaleman]

11% of them

As will most of those still quarantined.

[paulatky]

I’ll just do that eh, maybe you should too. 12 months time there’ll likely be a vaccine and also a toilet roll surplus

Sincerely hope we are both here to continue the discussion

[paulatky]

As will most of those still quarantined.

This is a very good site
Also shows the number recovered and also the seriousness of those who havent

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[Gordaleman]

This is a very good site
Also shows the number recovered and also the seriousness of those who havent

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Yes, I've seen that before. Not sure about just how up to date it is but currently only 23, 000 active case in China. That probably brings the world total down to about 27,000. Not exactly biblical proportions, is it?

[thatdberight]

Yes, I've seen that before. Not sure about just how up to date it is but currently only 23, 000 active case in China. That probably brings the world total down to about 27,000. Not exactly biblical proportions, is it?

42,000

[thatdberight]

As will most of those still quarantined.

Obviously. But that wasn't what you were talking about.

[mdd2]

The elderly are the ones who are most at risk from this and flu. To cheer us oldies up, a recent paper in the Annals of Internal Medicine (an observational study from workers in Wales) suggests that flu vaccine has little benefit in the elderly and this could also be true with this virus when/if we have a vaccine

[Zlatan]

Sincerely hope we are both here to continue the discussion

I hope so too, and I don’t know what demographic you fall into, but I do fall into one of the high risk categories (immunosuppressed) so perhaps I should be more concerned. The thing is, I’m also scientifically minded, and I understand the odds, and I’m not actually worried at all.

[paulatky]

I am in the high risk group having heart failure and going in and out of AF ( that is more dangerous than being in AF all the time.

Many years ago I got a degree in statistics from Liverpool University

[thatdberight]

It killed 100, 000 in Britain in 1989 / 90.

Source?

26,000 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/ ... usdiseases
29,000 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/28138 ... -super-flu
19,000-25,000 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/flu- ... 84016.html

For a man whose not easily flustered, you're having a right old go at exaggerating the impact of a 30-year old flu season.

[If it be your will]

I wouldn't rely too much on a vaccine. There's a vaccine for Flu and it still kills thousands every year in the UK.

In the unlikely event that this virus ever comes near Flu's figures, then maybe I'll worry a little bit. It killed 100, 000 in Britain in 1989 / 90. Until then, I'll wash my hands and carry on as normal.

Out tonight to the Comedy Night at Nelson Cricket Club and on'turf tomorrow. It's all go.

You know when you say things like It [flu] killed 100,000 in Britain in 1989/90, is there no part of you thinks "Hold on. That seems an absurdly high number, I'd better just check that it's right before I post it"?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 3-0015.pdf

[Zlatan]

I am in the high risk group having heart failure and going in and out of AF ( that is more dangerous than being in AF all the time.

Many years ago I got a degree in statistics from Liverpool University

Then I wish you well and good health and I can understand your concerns

[paulatky]

Then I wish you well and good health and I can understand your concerns

Thank you Zlatan

[Paul Waine]

This is a good site to look at cause of death in England and Wales:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ables/2018

Copy/paste their introductory comments:

When accounting for population size and age-structure, age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for females increased by 0.1%, however, for males ASMRs continued to decrease by 0.3%.
In 2018, there were 541,589 deaths registered in England and Wales, an increase of 1.6% compared with 2017 (533,253); this is the highest annual number of deaths since 1999.
The North East was the region of England with the highest ASMRs and London was the lowest for both males and females.
Deaths due to dementia and Alzheimer disease continued to increase and remained the leading cause of death, accounting for 12.8% of all deaths registered.

My calc: 541,589 deaths, 12.8% dementia and Alzheimer = 69,323.

The report, further down, reports on leading causes of deaths, split male/female and by age group. For males, across all ages, leading cause at 13.2% of male total is Ischaemic heart diseases.

Those that are inclined can study the rest of the ONS stats anytime they care.

[Greeny]

The world has gone absolutely bonkers. It’s a newer version of flu for goodness sake. Coronavirus affects the same age group as ordinary flu. I have no idea why “Don’t Panic, Don’t Panic” Captain Mainwaring from Dad’s Army has been let loose to become editor of all the newspapers + hosting all tv + radio stations. Get a grip.

[northeastclaret]

The media and the remoaners did the same in over using the word catastrophic when describing a no deal brexit.

[thatdberight]

The world has gone absolutely bonkers. It’s a newer version of flu for goodness sake. Coronavirus affects the same age group as ordinary flu. I have no idea why “Don’t Panic, Don’t Panic” Captain Mainwaring from Dad’s Army has been let loose to become editor of all the newspapers + hosting all tv + radio stations. Get a grip.

Wrong.

[tiger76]

The world has gone absolutely bonkers. It’s a newer version of flu for goodness sake. Coronavirus affects the same age group as ordinary flu. I have no idea why “Don’t Panic, Don’t Panic” Captain Mainwaring from Dad’s Army has been let loose to become editor of all the newspapers + hosting all tv + radio stations. Get a grip.

Agree with your take on the media's response it been well OTT,however it wasn't Mainwaring who uttered that catchphrase it was of course Corporal Jones.

[Greeny]

Thatdebright - 2 UK deaths so far. One aged 70 + the other 80. Both with underlying medical conditions. It’s all hype. It’s new flu. I repeat - get a grip.

Tiger 76 - Good spot - Thank you

[Vino blanco]

It was of course Lance Corporal Jones, was it not?

[thatdberight]

Thatdebright - 2 UK deaths so far. One aged 70 + the other 80. Both with underlying medical conditions. It’s all hype. It’s new flu. I repeat - get a grip.

Tiger 76 - Good spot - Thank you

I was commenting on your schoolboy error regarding Dad's Army.

But you are also wrong to be so dismissive. The concerted efforts of governments of all types and many countries suggest that, if we didn't take action, it would be much more serious than any flu we've seen for a long time.

[deanothedino]

I was commenting on your schoolboy error regarding Dad's Army.

But you are also wrong to be so dismissive. The concerted efforts of governments of all types and many countries suggest that, if we didn't take action, it would be much more serious than any flu we've seen for a long time.

What a load of b0llocks

[thatdberight]

What a load of b0llocks

Well, that's a detailed and reasoned response.

So, why are so many governments taking unusual steps to stop or slow transmission? I'm interested.

[deanothedino]

Well, that's a detailed and reasoned response.

So, why are so many governments taking unusual steps to stop or slow transmission? I'm interested.

Good question, I don't know the answer because it defies all logical behaviour. Over 20,000 people in the UK have been tested for COVID-19... 164 have it. Out of a population of ~70 million. Is it really a big issue? Most people, and this is from medics, will have a mild illness. Some with underlying health issues will die. It's hardly Ebola.

[ClaretAndJew]

Here's the reason for the caution by governments.

It's because we don't know, but better to be prepared than not.

It's not a conspiracy. No one "knows" what's happening.

It doesn't mean that loads of people are going to die, it's just a precaution.

Random people saying they know what's happening are lying.

[deanothedino]

Here's the reason for the caution by governments.

It's because we don't know, but better to be prepared than not.

It's not a conspiracy. No one "knows" what's happening.

It doesn't mean that loads of people are going to die, it's just a precaution.

Random people saying they know what's happening are lying.

Who is saying they knows what is happening?

There's showing caution and there is feeling mass hysteria. When people are stripping supermarket shelves because 2 people have died of a strain of flu then we are in the mass hysteria camp.

[Greeny]

Here's the reason for the caution by governments.

It's because we don't know, but better to be prepared than not.

It's not a conspiracy. No one "knows" what's happening.

It doesn't mean that loads of people are going to die, it's just a precaution.

Random people saying they know what's happening are lying.

You could die crossing the road but you take care, crack on + cross the road.

This current “the world has gone mad + we are all gonna die” approach is way over the top craziness. So now you have people stockpiling all sorts of stuff - toilet rolls!! People not getting on aeroplanes. The stock market lemmings all throwing in their chips. When in reality most folk will have a runny nose + a sore throat at worst. But hey ho let’s all panic + self quarantine under the bed just in case.

[ClaretAndJew]

You could die crossing the road but you take care, crack on + cross the road.

This current “the world has gone mad + we are all gonna die” approach is way over the top craziness. So now you have people stockpiling all sorts of stuff - toilet rolls!! People not getting on aeroplanes. The stock market lemmings all throwing in their chips. When in reality most folk will have a runny nose + a sore throat at worst. But hey ho let’s all panic + self quarantine under the bed just in case.

I've not been outside for 3 days but I'm an introvert.

[thatdberight]

There's showing caution and there is feeling mass hysteria. When people are stripping supermarket shelves because 2 people have died of a strain of flu then we are in the mass hysteria camp.

Agreed. It's not a strain of flu, by the way.

[ClaretAndJew]

Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

[thatdberight]

You could die crossing the road but you take care, crack on + cross the road.

This current “the world has gone mad + we are all gonna die” approach is way over the top craziness. So now you have people stockpiling all sorts of stuff - toilet rolls!! People not getting on aeroplanes. The stock market lemmings all throwing in their chips. When in reality most folk will have a runny nose + a sore throat at worst. But hey ho let’s all panic + self quarantine under the bed just in case.

Neither a runny nose nor a sore throat are typical symptoms. But still, you seem quite well informed.

[deanothedino]

I've not been outside for 3 days but I'm an introvert.

Probably because you're struggling to get your car out of a space you could get a bus out of.

[deanothedino]

Agreed. It's not a strain of flu, by the way.

Cold, flu, who really cares? We're all overreacting.

[ClaretAndJew]

Probably because you're struggling to get your car out of a space you could get a bus out of.

HOW DARE YOU FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER.

Dude did you see that? I had 6 inches if that of space.

[thatdberight]

Cold, flu, who really cares? We're all overreacting.

Now you're overreacting by saying we're "all" overreacting. You're as bad, spreading the fear of fearmongers that aren't as prevalent as you say they are.

[deanothedino]

HOW DARE YOU FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER.

Dude did you see that? I had 6 inches if that of space.

Might be the first guy in history to think 6 inches is bigger than it actually is. You had about 3.5 foot at the front.

Bigger issue was probably that your windscreen was opaque.

[deanothedino]

Now you're overreacting by saying we're "all" overreacting. You're as bad, spreading the fear of fearmongers that aren't as prevalent as you say they are.

There not as prevalent as I think? Evidence would say otherwise, companies cancelling travel. James Bond being postponed until November, talk of banning the over 70s from football games...

[ClaretAndJew]

Might be the first guy in history to think 6 inches is bigger than it actually is. You had about 3.5 foot at the front.

Bigger issue was probably that your windscreen was opaque.

Dude really It was inches not feet!

3.5 feet is like 40 inches! no chance.

And yeah, I drained about 3 litres of water from MY CAR DOOR haha. It's ******.

[thelaughingclaret]

It’s a miracle we all survived swine flu. That was meant to kill most of us off wasn’t it?
This is flu, maybe it’s a bad flu but it’s still flu and a new flu no one on earth before a month or 2 ago had ever had and therefore no one is immune to it so of course it will have a higher infection and death rate. Human history has had influenza pandemics throughout history. The virus is out there now, it’s too late to stop it and make it go away. It’s in nearly every country on Earth now for crying out loud. It can not be stopped. We just have to carry on and hope you don’t get it, just the same as we have been doing our whole lives already in regards to normal flu and all other diseases you can get. What happened to put British way of getting in with life no matter what was thrown our way?

[deanothedino]

Dude really It was inches not feet!

3.5 feet is like 40 inches! no chance.

And yeah, I drained about 3 litres of water from MY CAR DOOR haha. It's ******.

The space in front of your car was almost as long as your bonnet

[Gordaleman]

You know when you say things like It [flu] killed 100,000 in Britain in 1989/90, is there no part of you thinks "Hold on. That seems an absurdly high number, I'd better just check that it's right before I post it"?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 3-0015.pdf

Actually, no, because I was attributing those figure from an earlier post that showed exactly those figures.

A quick glance through your link, doesn't seem to show any confirmation or denial of those figures.. Maybe you can point it out to me?

As it happens, I was in the company of an old lady tonight who vividly remembers the 1989 Flu outbreak, and she concurred with the death figure I gave,

[thatdberight]

It’s a miracle we all survived swine flu. That was meant to kill most of us off wasn’t it?
This is flu, maybe it’s a bad flu but it’s still flu and a new flu no one on earth before a month or 2 ago had ever had and therefore no one is immune to it so of course it will have a higher infection and death rate. Human history has had influenza pandemics throughout history. The virus is out there now, it’s too late to stop it and make it go away. It’s in nearly every country on Earth now for crying out loud. It can not be stopped. We just have to carry on and hope you don’t get it, just the same as we have been doing our whole lives already in regards to normal flu and all other diseases you can get. What happened to put British way of getting in with life no matter what was thrown our way?

When you start with, "This is flu..." when it's not flu, that at least saves me reading the rest.

[thatdberight]

Actually, no, because I was attributing those figure from an earlier post that showed exactly those figures.

A quick glance through your link, doesn't seem to show any confirmation or denial of those figures.. Maybe you can point it out to me?

As it happens, I was in the company of an old lady tonight who vividly remembers the 1989 Flu outbreak, and she concurred with the death figure I gave,

It must have been a very quick glance not to spot it.

Still, much better to rely on an old lady than the now multiple sources you've been given showing your numbers to be, yet again, way off.

[fidelcastro]

Actually, no, because I was attributing those figure from an earlier post that showed exactly those figures.

A quick glance through your link, doesn't seem to show any confirmation or denial of those figures.. Maybe you can point it out to me?

As it happens, I was in the company of an old lady tonight who vividly remembers the 1989 Flu outbreak, and she concurred with the death figure I gave,

Yes. I know her.

She counted and disposed of every single dead body.

[rob63]

To be fair they go on about the "hard times" and life back in the day so it'll be easy for them. I mean, they survived the blitz and stormed the beaches of Normandy after all.

Was it Monty Python who said...... I died in two world wars for people like you?