Covid-19

[Gordaleman]

Why would anyone take your advice on health and wellbeing matters seriously?

I really don't understand the point you are making, or trying to make. Care to explain?

[tim_noone]

Good luck finding it in Tesco, ya shite!

I have my groceries delivered by Booths of Barrowford while I'm in self isolation.

[Clarinetclaret]

The only new thing in that report is that there were two dogs. I didn't know that. However, one tested negative and the other 'Weak positive.'

Despite your continuing insults and sarcasm, the fact is that 'Weak positive' has previouly been said to be likely environmental contamination. Also the report you quote says "likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission." Likely? Oh, so not proven?

Don't bother responding, it's pointless trying to have a civil discussion with you.

You've got to laugh at this guy. Rummages through the internet then regurgitates it on here like he's an expert.
What exactly are your credentials btw because you seem to think you know more than all the virologists, scientists, cdc and all the other organisations and institutions that have access to first hand information about this disease.
You have access to Google and a local chemist.
And with all this knowledge you seem to be a bit thick. FLU HAS A VACCINE!!!!

[Clarinetclaret]

I really don't understand the point you are making, or trying to make. Care to explain?

You're a 72 year old man who takes advice from your local chemist. You browse the internet and read second and third hand information. You seem to be also clueless to the fact that flu has a treatment.
So what exactly did you do in life to pretend you know more about this disease than all the experts who are studying and have first hand information about what's actually happening?
Bet you bored your rambling club colleagues senseless.

[Gordaleman]

You've got to laugh at this guy. Rummages through the internet then regurgitates it on here like he's an expert.
What exactly are your credentials btw because you seem to think you know more than all the virologists, scientists, cdc and all the other organisations and institutions that have access to first hand information about this disease.
You have access to Google and a local chemist.
And with all this knowledge you seem to be a bit thick. FLU HAS A VACCINE!!!!

Oh, so you didn't bother answering my question about the the point you were trying to make.

Strangely, I often quote these virologists and scientists and even the WHO, and as yet, I haven't heard any of them say Armageddon is on the way.

And believe it or not, I know that Flu has a vaccine, which just shows how dangerous it is. Because even with a vaccine, it kills between 290,000 and 650, 000 people every year. So far, Covid 19 has killed less than 4,000. When it matches Flu's figures, I might give people like you a bit more credence.

And you don't seem to know the difference between a treatment and a vaccine. If you're lucky, a vaccine might stop you getting a bad dode of Flu and the only decent treatment I know of is Paracetomol to take away some of the symptoms. It won't cure you. There is no cure.

[Gordaleman]

You're a 72 year old man who takes advice from your local chemist. You browse the internet and read second and third hand information. You seem to be also clueless to the fact that flu has a treatment.
So what exactly did you do in life to pretend you know more about this disease than all the experts who are studying and have first hand information about what's actually happening?
Bet you bored your rambling club colleagues senseless.

I'd be a fool not to take the advice of my chemist. She's a very educated woman. She gave her opinion about Covid'19 to which she's entitled, just as you are but I suspect she knows more about viruses than you.

I don't pretend to know more about this virus than other people but I can read reports as well as most people. I just don't pick out the odd horror scenarios like you seem to do. Where do YOU get your information from? It's my guess it's social media, because that's where all the fearmongers are.

[Bullabill]

Clarinetclaret you're an arsehole.

[Bfcboyo]

If the world descended into chaos and the internet is no more can we all wear jumpers with our usernames across the back and enact in real life one of these online games the kids play around the streets and the moors ?

[NottsClaret]

Looks like it’s on its way out in China already.

Maybe we should do the same, everyone have a fortnight off, get some cans in and watch the behind-closed-doors football while it all blows over.

[paulatky]

Looks like it’s on its way out in China already.

Maybe we should do the same, everyone have a fortnight off, get some cans in and watch the behind-closed-doors football while it all blows over.

Its taken more than a fortnight.
Many households been on lockdown for 7 weeks.

I fear for the stock market and oil prices this morning.

How long before the massive falls in the cost of a barrel of oil is reflected at the pumps.

[Grumps]

Its taken more than a fortnight.
Many households been on lockdown for 7 weeks.

I fear for the stock market and oil prices this morning.

How long before the massive falls in the cost of a barrel of oil is reflected at the pumps.

Fortunately the government are setting up a team to investigate all the misinformation and scaremongering being put about. I've forwarded your name to them

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Fortunately the government are setting up a team to investigate all the misinformation and scaremongering being put about. I've forwarded your name to them

Probably the funniest thing I've ever read in my life.

[paulatky]

Fortunately the government are setting up a team to investigate all the misinformation and scaremongering being put about. I've forwarded your name to them

Tell me what false information

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Tell me what false information

Sweet lord, where to begin!!

How about writing lies on the side of a bus?

[thatdberight]

Sweet lord, where to begin!!

How about writing lies on the side of a bus?

About this virus? Where?

[paulatky]

Since I 1st posted on this thread 15 days ago unfortunately things are turning out as I thought they would.

Remember 15 days ago Italy had just declared their first case . Look at Italy now and remember the UK is just 15 days behind their curve

[Spijed]

Looks like it’s on its way out in China already.

Maybe we should do the same, everyone have a fortnight off, get some cans in and watch the behind-closed-doors football while it all blows over.

Isnt that what most people currently do in the areas of the country that Boris has promised to "level up"?

[thatdberight]

Since I 1st posted on this thread 15 days ago unfortunately things are turning out as I thought they would.

Remember 15 days ago Italy had just declared their first case . Look at Italy now and remember the UK is just 15 days behind their curve

Why are we 15 days behind them? What's your basis for that, statistically or on some other basis?

[Grumps]

Why are we 15 days behind them? What's your basis for that, statistically or on some other basis?

Just in his head. Why can't we just as easy be 15 days behind Germany, or Poland?

[paulatky]

Just in his head. Why can't we just as easy be 15 days behind Germany, or Poland?

Hope for the best but plan for the worse.

Apart from “choose your parents wisely” the best piece of advice I have been given.

[Grumps]

Hope for the best but plan for the worse.

Apart from “choose your parents wisely” the best piece of advice I have been given.

But why pick Italy as the example?
Culturally we are very different to Italy, I don't know if you've ever been there, but all Italians greet each other with a kiss, meaning things get spread quickly. We don't have that behaviour so it's an unfair comparison to making.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

About this virus? Where?

Here's a list of lies and misinformation by your government, the idea they could be investigating somebody else spreading misinformation is LAUGHABLE...

https://medium.com/the-jist/a-list-of-a ... 1bc753e340

[Zlatan]

Here's a list of lies and misinformation by your government, the idea they could be investigating somebody else spreading misinformation is LAUGHABLE...

https://medium.com/the-jist/a-list-of-a ... 1bc753e340

we all know the government lied about stuff, but it reads like you think paulatky lied about this on the side of a bus. We really must keep this thread about the virus, not politics, ta

[thatdberight]

Here's a list of lies and misinformation by your government, the idea they could be investigating somebody else spreading misinformation is LAUGHABLE...

https://medium.com/the-jist/a-list-of-a ... 1bc753e340

So not about this virus then. Thanks for the diversion.

[tarkys_ears]

U can go back to the Chinese now, it's alright.

I'd avoid the italian restaurants though! No more Frankie and Bennies for me!

[paulatky]

Its taken more than a fortnight.
Many households been on lockdown for 7 weeks.

I fear for the stock market and oil prices this morning.

How long before the massive falls in the cost of a barrel of oil is reflected at the pumps.

Wow the the stock market has fallen by over 500 pts this morning ,a massive 8.5%. Thats over 21% in last 10 days.

Today’s fall is far worse than even I thought.

At the moment many pension funds will now be significantly underfunded which will impact the majority of us.

[thatdberight]

Wow the the stock market has fallen by over 500 pts this morning ,a massive 8.5%. Thats over 21% in last 10 days.

Today’s fall is far worse than even I thought.

At the moment many pension funds will now be significantly underfunded which will impact the majority of us.

Certainly if we all retire today. Although, to be fair, you're also foreseeing a huge cull of older folk that would balance it up as actuarial assumptions are changed.

[AlargeClaret]

Markets were always gonna react like this as all the ultra safety nets come into play . Many will be looking at a 2 month window when this, optimistically , may start to burn out. The hysterical pensions poster above must have some crystal ball !
With every U.K. health trust now on board doing literally 1000’s of swabs a day inc those who “ think they have it” and anyone who has even a tenuous “ contact link” expect cases to keep rising. Good news that China is getting a real grip on it though.

[Zlatan]

Certainly if we all retire today. Although, to be fair, you're also foreseeing a huge cull of older folk that would balance it up as actuarial assumptions are changed.

markets will recover, some older people wont

[Lord Beamish]

markets will recover, some older people wont

They’ve had a good run.

[Dy1geo]

Wow the the stock market has fallen by over 500 pts this morning ,a massive 8.5%. Thats over 21% in last 10 days.

Today’s fall is far worse than even I thought.

At the moment many pension funds will now be significantly underfunded which will impact the majority of us.

You can never judge a market over a short term period, for balance what’s the return over a five or ten year period to today?

[Zlatan]

Wow the the stock market has fallen by over 500 pts this morning ,a massive 8.5%. Thats over 21% in last 10 days.

Today’s fall is far worse than even I thought.

At the moment many pension funds will now be significantly underfunded which will impact the majority of us.

Interestingly this drop is being attributed to the price war for oil, and Covid-19 is only compounding this - but Covid-19 is not the cause

[paulatky]

Interestingly this drop is being attributed to the price war for oil, and Covid-19 is only compounding this - but Covid-19 is not the cause

The fall in oil usage is a direct result of less passengers/journeys made as a result of the corona virus and the price of oil has fallen over the past fortnight.

OPEC tried to agree to cut production but I think Saudi Arabia wont agree to the cut in production so the price has fallen even further.

For the lady on BBC Breakfast stock report this morning to say that the fall in FTSE was because oil price had fallen and not because of the virus was in my opinion wrong and misleading.

Oil price has fallen because of reduction in use as a result of the virus and the FTSE has been hit as a direct result. Chicken and egg situation to my mind.

Without the virus the oil would be far higher than it stands at the moment
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[paulatky]

Certainly if we all retire today. Although, to be fair, you're also foreseeing a huge cull of older folk that would balance it up as actuarial assumptions are changed.

The large majority of pension funds will have an accounting date of 31st March and the market wont have recovered by then. The scheme I am in was underfunded by 6% on last year's statements.

At end of March this year I can see the scheme I am in being underfunded by upto 25% to 30%.

I don't know the current rules on that but many companies wont be able/be prepared to make good the underfunding.

Companies may take the opportunity to close schemes and rely on people receiving annuities that will pay out less than was expected from the pensions.

The government pension protection fund could be inundated with claims.

[Gordaleman]

BBC News today.

Wuhan starts to shut down makeshift hospitals.

At least 11 of the 16 makeshift hospitals in the Chinese virus epicentre of Wuhan have been able to close, reported state media outlet Xinhua.

The makeshift hospitals - in stadiums, schools, and elsewhere - treated patients who suffered from mild symptoms.

It comes as the number of new coronavirus cases in China has steadily decreased - China reported its lowest number of cases so far on Monday.

[Spijed]

The sports minister saying no reason to play sports events behind closed doors at the moment

[Gordaleman]

markets will recover, some older people wont

Markets always recover. Look what happened after 9/11 and again after the financial crisis.

Once this virus blows itself out, all the financial institutions will begin a buying frenzy as they look for bargains.

Unless someone is retiring in the next few months, the plunge this morning will quickly be reversed. (The Dow Jones is currently expected to open 5% lower.)

Still, let the fearmongers panic about it eh? You, me and most people will just wash our hands and carry on as normal.

[paulatky]

Markets always recover. Look what happened after 9/11 and again after the financial crisis.

Once this virus blows itself out, all the financial institutions will begin a buying frenzy as they look for bargains.

Unless someone is retiring in the next few months, the plunge this morning will quickly be reversed. (The Dow Jones is currently expected to open 5% lower.)

Still, let the fearmongers panic about it eh? You, me and most people will just wash our hands and carry on as normal.

I agree they will but the question is how long will it take. The financial crisis took a fair while and seriously affected house prices and in some areas of the country prices have only just got back to 2009 levels.

[Gordaleman]

The sports minister saying no reason to play sports events behind closed doors at the moment

It doesn't seem to make much sense to me playing behind closed doors anyway. Anyone with the virus is not going to infect more than the four or five who sit near them, and assuming the infected person doesn't know he's infected, if he wasn't at a sporting event, he'd probably be shopping or something, infecting people anyway.

Still, it seems I'm not allowed an opinion on here, because my opinions don't fit some people's agendas.

[Gordaleman]

I agree they will but the question is how long will it take. The financial crisis took a fair while and seriously affected house prices and in some areas of the country prices have only just got back to 2009 levels.

Think yourself lucky then, you can buy a house more cheaply. There are buyers and sellers, gainers and losers, in every market. At the moment, the buyers have the upper hand. The sellers have it it long enough.

[Erasmus]

Like others, I have 'underlying health issues' that make me more vulnerable than most and I have been following the course of the spread of the disease. Some strange statistical anomalies emerge. Italy has experienced a lot more cases, but even so the number of deaths is notably high. Then in Scandinavia (including Iceland) there have been 473 cases but no deaths and in Germany over 1100 cases and no deaths. Is there any explanation for these significant differences? Is it due to better standards of healthcare? Or are nordic people more resistant? Or are the figures being recorded differently? It's definitely a bit odd.

Oh, and I do wish some people on here could be a bit more pleasant in their discussions. What's the point of being nasty?

[Dy1geo]

assuming the infected person doesn't know he's infected, if he wasn't at a sporting event, he'd probably be shopping or something, infecting people anyway.

That is the scary part of it, I read about an Australian couple on the Cruise ship, his wife had all the symptoms and diagnosed with Corona Virus, her husband had not one symptoms and felt “normal” and he was also diagnosed with Corona Virus

The scientists are more concerned about the second I.e the “silent carriers” and that is why they will introduce social distancing so we don’t unknowingly pass the virus on to family members etc

[Gordaleman]

Like others, I have 'underlying health issues' that make me more vulnerable than most and I have been following the course of the spread of the disease. Some strange statistical anomalies emerge. Italy has experienced a lot more cases, but even so the number of deaths is notably high. Then in Scandinavia (including Iceland) there have been 473 cases but no deaths and in Germany over 1100 cases and no deaths. Is there any explanation for these significant differences? Is it due to better standards of healthcare? Or are nordic people more resistant? Or are the figures being recorded differently? It's definitely a bit odd.

Oh, and I do wish some people on here could be a bit more pleasant in their discussions. What's the point of being nasty?

On your last point, some people aren't civil anyway and for them, it just transfers naturally to these bulletin boards.

[Gordaleman]

That is the scary part of it, I read about an Australian couple on the Cruise ship, his wife had all the symptoms and diagnosed with Corona Virus, her husband had not one symptoms and felt “normal” and he was also diagnosed with Corona Virus

The scientists are more concerned about the second I.e the “silent carriers” and that is why they will introduce social distancing so we don’t unknowingly pass the virus on to family members etc

That's a perfect example of the fact that most people will only suffer minor symptoms.

[Dy1geo]

That's a perfect example of the fact that most people will only suffer minor symptoms.

That will be the case and if you look deep into the figures from that cruise ship around 320 of the 7 hundred or so that got it had no symptoms but 8 have died and there are still some in hospital. My concern is that I may pass it on to the more vulnerable members of society.

Can I also ask posters to treat people with alternative views with respect. We had a General Election thread with a very diverse range of views which never got into the abuse that I have read on this thread

[Gordaleman]

That will be the case and if you look deep into the figures from that cruise ship around 320 of the 7 hundred or so that got it had no symptoms but 8 have died and there are still some in hospital. My concern is that I may pass it on to the more vulnerable members of society.

Can I also ask posters to treat people with alternative views with respect. We had a General Election thread with a very diverse range of views which never got into the abuse that I have read on this thread

As I said earlier, some people are abusive in real life, so for them, it just transfers naturally on these boards.

[thatdberight]

Oh, and I do wish some people on here could be a bit more pleasant in their discussions. What's the point of being nasty?

Can I also ask posters to treat people with alternative views with respect.

Alternative views, yes. "Alternative facts", no. That needs calling out for what it is and when its peddlers double down they need to be highlighted.

[Erasmus]

But you can of course do all of that without giving any offence. I ask again, what's the point of being insulting and abusive? Who benefits from it?

[Gordaleman]

But you can of course do all of that without giving any offence. I ask again, what's the point of being insulting and abusive? Who benefits from it?

It's like a person who shouts to get his or her point across. It doesn't mean that they are right in what they say.

[Dark Cloud]

I still believe it's extremely difficult to know exactly what's going on with this. Chinese reporting is dodgier than a Harry Redknapp alibi as they never want anyone to know the real truth about absolutely anything over there and this of course is no different. The Western press on the other hand simply loves a sensational headline and "click bait" so overplay stuff like this at every opportunity to get us hooked in and the government here don't want to be seen to be under reacting so think it best, if anything, to overreact as that makes them look better and more caring. Ultimately if 97% of people (or whatever?) who ever come into contact with this micro pest will feel like they've got a cold and then get over it fairly quickly, why are 100% of us panicking? If you're in the more vulnerable 3%? then you definitely need to think about what you do over the next few days and weeks to minimise your risk, I totally get that, but considering "keep calm and...." was a very British invention, it's becoming a joke. (IMO)
PS. My brother lives in China and has done for over 20 years and he says he feels far happier there right now than he would over here with all the "hype and frenzy"!!