If rationally, repeatedly pointing out facts and errors isn't working, I'm not going to apologise for trying a different tack. That may not be to your taste.
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Lying about spending money on the Health Service isn't about health?thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:20 amSo not about this virus then. Thanks for the diversion.
I'm not the one who started saying this ridiculous government would be investigating misinformation.
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I agree with most of your post but I can assure you that 100 % of us aren't panicking. Far from it. I'll be out tonight playing snooker with friends and having a few pints as usual, even though I'm very much in the 'At risk' group.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:47 amI still believe it's extremely difficult to know exactly what's going on with this. Chinese reporting is dodgier than a Harry Redknapp alibi as they never want anyone to know the real truth about absolutely anything over there and this of course is no different. The Western press on the other hand simply loves a sensational headline and "click bait" so overplay stuff like this at every opportunity to get us hooked in and the government here don't want to be seen to be under reacting so think it best, if anything, to overreact as that makes them look better and more caring. Ultimately if 97% of people (or whatever?) who ever come into contact with this micro pest will feel like they've got a cold and then get over it fairly quickly, why are 100% of us panicking? If you're in the more vulnerable 3%? then you definitely need to think about what you do over the next few days and weeks to minimise your risk, I totally get that, but considering "keep calm and...." was a very British invention, it's becoming a joke. (IMO)
PS. My brother lives in China and has done for over 20 years and he says he feels far happier there right now than he would over here with all the "hype and frenzy"!!
One more thing, the WHO seems to believe the Chinese figures.
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I imagine plenty of seats up for grabs in the Bob Lord next season
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I was out in Poulton yesterday with a couple who had arrived back from Venice the night before.
I'm happy to report I'm still alive
I'm happy to report I'm still alive
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Some of the stats don't suggest that only 3% will feel materially unwell. Some suggest much fewer, some much more. With different governments releasing different stats collated in different ways with different definitions, it would probably take an expert a month to get a handle on it.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:47 amUltimately if 97% of people (or whatever?) who ever come into contact with this micro pest will feel like they've got a cold and then get over it fairly quickly, why are 100% of us panicking?
That said, we are obviously attempting to reduce the total numbers who are affected so real numbers, not %, are kept low which is what matters and there's nothing in this that suggests panic is either necessary or, more importantly, useful.
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It's really surprising that even in the most well intended articles, supposedly educated people make basic errors. Yesterday, I was reading a piece on the Coronavirus (Admittedly written from a financial point of view.) in Money Week magazine. The writer was right in most of what she said, but she did make the point that we have anti biotics for things like this. REALLY? I though everyone knew that viruses can't be killed with anti biotics? No wonder there is so much misinformation about.
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Another dramatic fall in active Chinese cases today. Having been about 27,000 a few days ago, it's now down to 18,898.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I think that the most telling stat on the China list is that only 56.1 people in 1,000,000 have had the virus, and that in the worst hit country. China had a high of 80,000 cases and now has less than 20,000, so that figure could now be brought down to about 14 per million if you just count active cases. Worldwide, the total figure comes down to 14.4 per 1,000,000.
Hopefully. if sensible measures are taken by EVERYONE elsewhere, then figures will start to drop worldwide in a few weeks.
What the peak will be, who knows, but there's no point in worrying about things we have little if any control over.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I think that the most telling stat on the China list is that only 56.1 people in 1,000,000 have had the virus, and that in the worst hit country. China had a high of 80,000 cases and now has less than 20,000, so that figure could now be brought down to about 14 per million if you just count active cases. Worldwide, the total figure comes down to 14.4 per 1,000,000.
Hopefully. if sensible measures are taken by EVERYONE elsewhere, then figures will start to drop worldwide in a few weeks.
What the peak will be, who knows, but there's no point in worrying about things we have little if any control over.
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Instead of calling them face masks, we should call them coughy filters.
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France v Ireland rugby game has been postponed due to corona virus fears.
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So , and I am not trying to be funny or catch you out.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:08 pmAnother dramatic fall in active Chinese cases today. Having been about 27,000 a few days ago, it's now down to 18,898.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I think that the most telling stat on the China list is that only 56.1 people in 1,000,000 have had the virus, and that in the worst hit country. China had a high of 80,000 cases and now has less than 20,000, so that figure could now be brought down to about 14 per million if you just count active cases. Worldwide, the total figure comes down to 14.4 per 1,000,000.
Hopefully. if sensible measures are taken by EVERYONE elsewhere, then figures will start to drop worldwide in a few weeks.
What the peak will be, who knows, but there's no point in worrying about things we have little if any control over.
What exactly do you think these sensible measure are please?
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Having seen the Italian version of lockdown (leaked in the press, large numbers of people moved out on Saturday night, seemingly roads not managed, not clear if there's punishment for breaking the lockdown, flights out of Milan yesterday with no testing or quarantine as some examples) it's hard to imagine it will be as effective as quickly as China's.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:42 pmSo , and I am not trying to be funny or catch you out.
What exactly do you think these sensible measure are please?
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With respect, haven't you been watching TV or reading the news recently?Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:42 pmSo , and I am not trying to be funny or catch you out.
What exactly do you think these sensible measure are please?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51711227
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It’s just another example of mass hysteria; it’s a sniffle, not the fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse. Get it, get over it, move on. Sure, some will die, but flu kills thousands every year and nobody really gives a dead-rats a55 about that.
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That's very good Frank. I'll be telling that one in the club tonight.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:11 pmInstead of calling them face masks, we should call them coughy filters.
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Not quite a sniffle, but when only 14 people per million, have it, including in China, then I'm not exactly getting hysterical about it Benny.
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I thought it was the first horseman, not the forth... maybe wrong...
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I wasn’t pointing a finger at individuals, I was pointing it at the global stupidity of people going way over board. Aussies fighting over toilet rolls FFS. I will be driving over to Europe and back 3 or 4 times this year and I won’t be doing anything different. If I get it, I get it and if it kills me, so be it. Life’s far too short to waste it worrying about this sort of cr4p.
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Yes I read about some of that.thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:48 pmHaving seen the Italian version of lockdown (leaked in the press, large numbers of people moved out on Saturday night, seemingly roads not managed, not clear if there's punishment for breaking the lockdown, flights out of Milan yesterday with no testing or quarantine as some examples) it's hard to imagine it will be as effective as quickly as China's.
I agree with you!
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If you honestly believe those actions are going to work, then we do disagree!Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:49 pmWith respect, haven't you been watching TV or reading the news recently?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51711227
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And the Couple? Any News on Them.......THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 amI was out in Poulton yesterday with a couple who had arrived back from Venice the night before.
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No dispute there then.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:16 pmIf you honestly believe those actions are going to work, then we do disagree!
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Interestingly, I've had a half-hearted attempt at projecting it. It's not particularly robust, but it looks like - in nearly all countries individually as well as collectively - the number of cases doubles about every 3.5 days, give or take. (The major exception is China, presumably due to aggressive quarantine measures.)thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:34 amWhy are we 15 days behind them? What's your basis for that, statistically or on some other basis?
From that you can start to take guesses where it will be in 2, 3, 8 weeks etc if quarantine measures are not taken. Guesses that will likely prove wrong, but it has broadly followed this for the last 2 weeks. This will turn out to be wrong, obviously, but that would mean the number in the UK will be about 4 million by the end of April-ish, and would have peaked 3-4 weeks after that, assuming no mass 'lock-downs'.
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Breaking News " UK remains in containment stage but it is now accepted this virus is now going to spread in a significant way " Number 10 spokesperson a few minutes ago.
I said exactly the same 16 days ago !!!!
I said exactly the same 16 days ago !!!!
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After 3-4 weeks that 4 million is going to be a lot higher.If it be your will wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:22 pmInterestingly, I've had a half-hearted attempt at projecting it. It's not particularly robust, but it looks like - in nearly all countries individually as well as collectively - the number of cases doubles about every 3.5 days, give or take. (The major exception is China, presumably due to aggressive quarantine measures.)
From that you can start to take guesses where it will be in 2, 3, 8 weeks etc if quarantine measures are not taken. Guesses that will likely prove wrong, but it has broadly followed this for the last 2 weeks. This will turn out to be wrong, obviously, but that would mean the number in the UK will be about 4 million by the end of April-ish, and would have peaked 3-4 weeks after that, assuming no mass 'lock-downs'.
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Very clever of you but do you think that you are the only one who thought it would spread? Of course it's going to spread, just not as badly as you have been predicting.
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To be fair...
"Sergio Brusin from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme: "The UK is in the same situation Italy was two weeks ago.""
That's not the same as "therefore we will be in the same position in 15 days' time" but it's a serious scientist giving an important view on where we could be soon.
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Why isnt Germany being compared to Italy?thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:53 pmTo be fair...
"Sergio Brusin from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme: "The UK is in the same situation Italy was two weeks ago.""
That's not the same as "therefore we will be in the same position in 15 days' time" but it's a serious scientist giving an important view on where we could be soon.
Far more cases than us yet no fatalities as yet.
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I'm sure Germany is being compared to Italy by someone. I'm sure the clear differences in the stats are the subject of much review.
That won't stop some posters on here jumping on any data that makes it look apocalyptic and some others sifting for nuggets that make it look trivial.
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Isnt that almost word for word what I posted last night !!!!thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:53 pmTo be fair...
"Sergio Brusin from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme: "The UK is in the same situation Italy was two weeks ago.""
That's not the same as "therefore we will be in the same position in 15 days' time" but it's a serious scientist giving an important view on where we could be soon.
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The key phrase from number 10 is "in a significant way"Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:40 pmVery clever of you but do you think that you are the only one who thought it would spread? Of course it's going to spread, just not as badly as you have been predicting.
Depends if that significant has the same meaning as my significant
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I'll ask for third time, why is paulatky comparing us with Italy?
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Breaking news - Trading on US Stock Exchange suspended
This is getting very serious guys . Wake up and smell the coffee whilst you still
This is getting very serious guys . Wake up and smell the coffee whilst you still
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Largely stayed off this thread but did wonder last week whether the thread going into meltdown and arguments (even relative to the Brexit debate) would be a premonition of wider meltdowns in places like the stock market.
It seems that today I have my answer. Panic is setting in (we can pretend its the oil arguments between Russia and Saudi but thats not the reason).
The housing market will follow, not immediately, but it will. Time to batten down the hatches in more ways than one.
It seems that today I have my answer. Panic is setting in (we can pretend its the oil arguments between Russia and Saudi but thats not the reason).
The housing market will follow, not immediately, but it will. Time to batten down the hatches in more ways than one.
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If that's true it won't last long and in fact this site says it's still trading. https://markets.businessinsider.com/index/dow_jones
Anyway, markets have nothing to do with the virus itself. All they work on is fear and uncertainty and there is plenty of both at the moment.
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You've quoted Italy many times in comparison to us,and how we will follow their results. Now having been shown that it's an unfair comparison you go all quiet.
Just shows its easy to search Google, but then you have to understand what you're quoting off it, something you are really struggling with.
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Even more breaking news - after the automatic suspension that is triggered when there are unusual falls, trading resumed.
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???????Grumps wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:51 pmYou've quoted Italy many times in comparison to us,and how we will follow their results. Now having been shown that it's an unfair comparison you go all quiet.
Just shows its easy to search Google, but then you have to understand what you're quoting off it, something you are really struggling with.
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Two completely different cultures in many ways, which don't justify comparison. Better would be Germany, Sweden, Norway etc but without looking I would guess figures in those countries don't help his scaremongering
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Suspension triggered at 7% down . lasts for 15 mins now 6.4% down
Did that happen after 7/11 or financial crisis 11 years ago .
FTSE down 7.4%
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Not only is it easy to search google it's the starting point for everything posted on this thread by you and everybody else.Grumps wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:51 pmYou've quoted Italy many times in comparison to us,and how we will follow their results. Now having been shown that it's an unfair comparison you go all quiet.
Just shows its easy to search Google, but then you have to understand what you're quoting off it, something you are really struggling with.
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Want to back that up with one of your "facts" then?Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:40 pmVery clever of you but do you think that you are the only one who thought it would spread? Of course it's going to spread, just not as badly as you have been predicting.
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Fact. Case numbers are falling and you only have to look at today's stats to see it.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:19 pmWant to back that up with one of your "facts" then?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Just scroll down.
And look at the last figure on each line and the totals at the bottom. Only 14 people in every million worldwide infected at any stage. That's a REALLY scary number, isn't it?