BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
Chester Perry
Posts: 9899
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:06 am
Been Liked: 1303 times
Has Liked: 393 times

BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:29 am

he claims's disrespect - some would say that it became about him far too long ago for him still to be there in the role of match commentator

https://www.followfollow.com/forum/thre ... es.112684/

I used this link as the article is behind a paywall

ten bellies
Posts: 506
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:53 pm
Been Liked: 166 times
Has Liked: 1103 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by ten bellies » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:42 am

The quality of his commentary has declined over the years. Unfortunately age has caught up with him.

IanMcL
Posts: 18245
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 3623 times
Has Liked: 4208 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by IanMcL » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:44 am

Always found him a miserable commentator.
This user liked this post: LeadBelly

randomclaret2
Posts: 3721
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:04 pm
Been Liked: 1693 times
Has Liked: 2455 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:44 am

Listening to his last few commentaries , he misses a lot and ends up relying on his summariser to tell him what has just happened. His ceaseless moaning and complaining never changes though...

9thMay1987
Posts: 239
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 63 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by 9thMay1987 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:51 am

Once described Turf Moor as his favourite premier league stadium.

He could see the green hills in the background rather than the usual concrets jungle of other grounds.

I liked his originality.
This user liked this post: basil6345789

CleggHall
Posts: 2281
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:07 am
Been Liked: 599 times
Has Liked: 810 times
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by CleggHall » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:51 am

A genuine football man and son of Belfast. Has contributed via the BBC these past years, opinionated and a bit of a curmegeon but overall I like him.

lakedistrictclaret
Posts: 510
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:30 am
Been Liked: 171 times
Has Liked: 46 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:54 am

CleggHall wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:51 am
A genuine football man and son of Belfast. Has contributed via the BBC these past years, opinionated and a bit of a curmegeon but overall I like him.
So do I.

He was good on the 606 phone in. That programme was ruined when it changed to two presenters arguing with each other. I don't even listen to it now.
This user liked this post: evensteadiereddie

Bordeauxclaret
Posts: 6572
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:36 pm
Been Liked: 2111 times
Has Liked: 1220 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:56 am

Not before time.

LeadBelly
Posts: 2393
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:07 am
Been Liked: 651 times
Has Liked: 1308 times
Location: North Hampshire

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by LeadBelly » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:24 am

I used to quite like his commentaries but, like a lot of media folk, he became more than a bit self-absorbed. Increasingly played the "grumpy uncle" role, always whining about something or other. I expect he'll be well grumpy about being ditched.

There was a tabloid story a couple of years ago about how BBC had to employ a bag-carrier (literally) for him at £200 per game because he wouldn't lug his own stuff (microphones/headphones/mixer) about.

Having said which, he's by no means the worst pundit/commentator on BBC (tv /radio) and I think he genuinely likes the game (almost as much as he likes himself). Overall, I think it's time he was replaced but I'm not confident that a BBC chosen replacement will be better.

claretonthecoast1882
Posts: 2824
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
Been Liked: 1331 times
Has Liked: 44 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:28 am

He will be replaced by a modern day box ticker and the people who get all upset by someone who speaks their mind will celebrate the arrival no matter how poor they are.

Jacqui Oatley springs to mind

todclaret
Posts: 279
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 70 times
Has Liked: 5 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by todclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:49 am

lakedistrictclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:54 am


He was good on the 606 phone in. That programme was ruined when it changed to two presenters arguing with each other. I don't even listen to it now.
it was ruined when Danny Baker left back in the early 90s. The show was entertaining and then David Mellor took over and it began its transition to the tedium it now offers. Think I still have some C90s of shows from the 91/92 season in the attic.
Last edited by todclaret on Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
This user liked this post: LeadBelly

SalisburyClaret
Posts: 1538
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:32 pm
Been Liked: 433 times
Has Liked: 245 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:36 pm

BBC sports coverage continues it's process of dumbing down
This user liked this post: Stayingup

fatboy47
Posts: 1913
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:58 am
Been Liked: 1125 times
Has Liked: 1137 times
Location: Isles of Scilly

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by fatboy47 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:40 pm

Male, white, able-bodied, hetero and knowledgeable about football.

Had to go.
These 3 users liked this post: Tricky Trevor Clarets4me Stayingup

Caballo
Posts: 804
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:31 am
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 267 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Caballo » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:41 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:40 pm
Male, white, able-bodied, hetero and knowledgeable about football.

Had to go.

Also 67, time to let someone else have a go.

boatshed bill
Posts: 5617
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:47 am
Been Liked: 1199 times
Has Liked: 2663 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:49 pm

Caballo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:41 pm
Also 67, time to let someone else have a go.
Yes, it is about time.
I find his commentary more about opinion than description, but he had genuine feelings for the game.
Now perhaps they could do the same with Mark Chapman.

Stalbansclaret
Posts: 1265
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:21 am
Been Liked: 905 times
Has Liked: 1199 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:09 pm

Glad to see him go......arrogant, pompous and full of his own self-importance. Can't imagine his rotund presence ever graced a football field but he was never slow to slate those with more ability, whether as players or refs. Dislikable and not a patch on the excellent John Murray, Ian Dennis or Conor McNamara, all of whom are excellent imho.

Sausage
Posts: 1000
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:48 am
Been Liked: 624 times
Has Liked: 417 times
Location: London

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Sausage » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:47 pm

lakedistrictclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:54 am
He was good on the 606 phone in. That programme was ruined when it changed to two presenters arguing with each other. I don't even listen to it now.
Couldn't disagree more. Danny Baker created 606 as an irreverent phone-in with the aim of looking beyond the boring clichés of post-match analysis and fans moaning about their team's formation. It was mad-cap, foolish and sometimes barely related to football at all. It was ruined when Baker was sacked from Radio 5 (as it then was) and was passed from pillar to post with dullard hosts. As someone else mentioned, David Mellor made a proper pig's ear of it, and Alan Green didn't do much better, coming across as a grumpy sod who couldn't accept that people have different views to him.

606 aside, I've met Alan Green a couple of times and he was very complimentary about Burnley, particularly as he was one the Radio 2 commentators at the Orient Game. I think there are better radio commentators out there and have been for quite some time, Ian Dennis being a case in point.
This user liked this post: IanMcL

Wokingclaret
Posts: 907
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:18 pm
Been Liked: 133 times
Has Liked: 288 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:08 pm

Sausage, he was not one of the Radio 2 commentators at the Orient game. They were the great, Peter Jones and Jimmy Armfield
This user liked this post: IanMcL

Wokingclaret
Posts: 907
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:18 pm
Been Liked: 133 times
Has Liked: 288 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 pm

Green, Pougatch, Lysaght, Richardson and wake up to money Micky Clarke & Louise Cooper all gone

ElectroClaret
Posts: 10902
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:07 pm
Been Liked: 2849 times
Has Liked: 1457 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:15 pm

Hopefully they have similar plans for Lineker.

Wokingclaret
Posts: 907
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:18 pm
Been Liked: 133 times
Has Liked: 288 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:17 pm

Didn't know this but Gower and Botham gone from Sky's cricket commentary

Clarets4me
Posts: 3418
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:31 pm
Been Liked: 1601 times
Has Liked: 698 times
Location: Ightenhill,Burnley

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:29 pm

Caballo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:41 pm
Also 67, time to let someone else have a go.
I'm sure some stayed too long, but Peter O'Sullivan, Richie Benaud and Bill McLaren were still excellent well into their 70's ... happy memories

O'Sullivan - " He's coming up to win it like a fresh horse, it's hats off and a tremendous reception, you've never heard one like it here at Liverpool, Red Rum wins the National !! "

Benaud - " Don't even bother looking for that, let alone chasing it, it's gone straight into the Confectionary stall and out again ! "

McLaren - " You're not going to believe this, but Thorburn is going to attempt a goal, it's miles to those posts .... Thorburn then, woh! , what a belt he's given it ... that it amazing, I've seen all the great goal kickers over the last four decades, but I've never seen a kick like this one, ! "

Watching the Rugby's still not the same, without the big man from Hawick !! :cry: :cry:
These 2 users liked this post: fatboy47 HunterST_BFC

IanMcL
Posts: 18245
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 3623 times
Has Liked: 4208 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by IanMcL » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:59 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:17 pm
Didn't know this but Gower and Botham gone from Sky's cricket commentary
Old

Billy Balfour
Posts: 1632
Joined: Mon May 28, 2018 3:00 pm
Been Liked: 657 times
Has Liked: 246 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:05 pm

He's great if you want to spend over 90 minutes listening to someone moaning about everything under the sun.

Sausage
Posts: 1000
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:48 am
Been Liked: 624 times
Has Liked: 417 times
Location: London

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Sausage » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:13 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:08 pm
Sausage, he was not one of the Radio 2 commentators at the Orient game. They were the great, Peter Jones and Jimmy Armfield
I shall bow to your better knowledge. Perhaps it was that AG told me he was commentating on Radio 2 that day, but not necessarily at Turf Moor.

The late Peter Jones, what a commentator he was. His incredibly composed thoughts in the hours following the Hillsborough tragedy are still haunting beyond belief. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnAOam5oFvQ

Wokingclaret
Posts: 907
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:18 pm
Been Liked: 133 times
Has Liked: 288 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:15 pm

I know because I spoke to them that day, the press bench was at the back of the Bob Lord in them days.

Jones was class

dougcollins
Posts: 2288
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:23 am
Been Liked: 667 times
Has Liked: 629 times
Location: Yarkshire

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by dougcollins » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:46 pm

Alan Green has never done a commentary in his life. He talks about irrelevant things (generally himself) and then goes 'Oh and X have scored'.

Wile E Coyote
Posts: 6743
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:22 pm
Been Liked: 2185 times
Has Liked: 1293 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:55 pm

i liked green, far preferable to the present batch of inane half wits presenting virtually every BBC football programme or commentaries.
This user liked this post: Claret32yrs

timshorts
Posts: 1028
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:52 pm
Been Liked: 161 times
Has Liked: 144 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by timshorts » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:46 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:29 pm

McLaren - " You're not going to believe this, but Thorburn is going to attempt a goal, it's miles to those posts .... Thorburn then, woh! , what a belt he's given it ... that it amazing, I've seen all the great goal kickers over the last four decades, but I've never seen a kick like this one, ! "

Watching the Rugby's still not the same, without the big man from Hawick !! :cry: :cry:
One of those moments that I'd like to live over again. Preferably last week. And the Henson one. And that Mike Rayer try against France (I think) when it was soaking wet and he flew over the surface across the try line like he was a hovercraft with his arm up celebrating.

SlidingTackle
Posts: 216
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 140 times
Has Liked: 95 times
Location: Edinburgh

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by SlidingTackle » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:21 pm

Despite, thankfully, no longer being a frontline commentator on Radio 5, still, if try to find a definition of 'arrogant tosser' in any decent dictionary you simply find a photograph of Alan Green leering at you when reach that page.


…. and he and Steve Claridge definitely constituted the worst ever double act to grace that station's airwaves, although there's been stiff competition from other summarisers, Danny Mills and Clinton Morrison, especially.

Damo
Posts: 3853
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1509 times
Has Liked: 2309 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Damo » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:35 pm

Has he said something that offends the usual suspects?

SlidingTackle
Posts: 216
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 140 times
Has Liked: 95 times
Location: Edinburgh

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by SlidingTackle » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:46 pm

Damo wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:35 pm
Has he said something that offends the usual suspects?
Finally, I graduate to being a 'usual suspect'.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stayingup
Posts: 2359
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:02 pm
Been Liked: 398 times
Has Liked: 733 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Stayingup » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:13 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:08 pm
Sausage, he was not one of the Radio 2 commentators at the Orient game. They were the great, Peter Jones and Jimmy Armfield
Alan Green and Jimmy Armfield were good tigether. They presented a good balance.

HunterST_BFC
Posts: 2126
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:13 pm
Been Liked: 895 times
Has Liked: 1768 times
Location: varied

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by HunterST_BFC » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:15 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:29 pm

McLaren - " You're not going to believe this, but Thorburn is going to attempt a goal, it's miles to those posts .... Thorburn then, woh! , what a belt he's given it ... that it amazing, I've seen all the great goal kickers over the last four decades, but I've never seen a kick like this one, ! "

Watching the Rugby's still not the same, without the big man from Hawick !! :cry: :cry:
Had the pleasure of meeting Bill McLaren while he was walking with his wife and dog as he did daily on Hawick Golf Course 14th Tee.
A real gent'.
He did us the huge honor of introducing each one of our 4ball onto the Tee and doing a commentary of our shots -

"This tall young whipper snapper looks like he is going to really launch this... he's nearly put his back out on the practice swing....
He has! And it's huge! A huge slice - clearly these boys were on the town last night".
These 3 users liked this post: Clarets4me Long Time Lurker longsidepies

TVC15
Posts: 7487
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 2973 times
Has Liked: 542 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by TVC15 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:21 pm

Didn’t he get banned from Old Trafford by Sir Alex ?

A lot of the best sports commentators are of the older generation - it’s a job where I think you improve with experience. However you do need a modicum of talent in the first place so that unfortunately rules out many of the current crop.

Cubanclaret
Posts: 885
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:35 am
Been Liked: 225 times
Has Liked: 118 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Cubanclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:35 pm

He hit his professional peak when commentating on the rowing at the London Olympics.

Clarets4me
Posts: 3418
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:31 pm
Been Liked: 1601 times
Has Liked: 698 times
Location: Ightenhill,Burnley

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:40 pm

Sausage wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:13 pm
The late Peter Jones, what a commentator he was. His incredibly composed thoughts in the hours following the Hillsborough tragedy are still haunting beyond belief. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnAOam5oFvQ
A different generation, together with Bryon Butler, and people like Benaud and McLaren, who held sport in a different perspective than some of their present day counterparts ...

Benaud had a set of rules for TV commentary, the two I can immediately recall were " If you can't add anything to what viewers can already see on the screen, then shut up ", and " Never cheapen words, it's a game ! The coal-tip collapse at Aberfan was a tragedy or disaster, losing your wicket 2nd ball or a side falling 20 runs short in run-chase, most certainly is not ! "

Bill McLaren was interviewed shortly after he retired, perhaps more memorably. The interviewer made the point that he never overly criticised a player or team for a mistake, usually using a term like, " He'll hope to do better next time " or " They'll look to improve their scrummaging in the second half " etc ..
" Aye, but they never set out to play badly, " he replied, quietly he went on, " Listen son, I fought at Monte Cassino, and not long after, I was leading a forward recce patrol for the British Artillary when we entered a village. It was strangely quiet, and as we turned into the main square, there were roughly a thousand bodies piled up, German troops, Italians, men, women and children, many with limbs missing. The Germans had bombarded the place to pieces, believing that the British had already taken the village. " He then looked at the interviewer, " When you've seen that, a game of Rugby Football doesn't count for " a row of beans " ....
These 3 users liked this post: Long Time Lurker HunterST_BFC tiger76

mickleoverclaret
Posts: 883
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:27 pm
Been Liked: 377 times
Has Liked: 398 times
Location: Mickleover, Derby
Contact:

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by mickleoverclaret » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:00 pm

Always got the impression listening to Alan Green that he didn't actually like football. Whether he did or not, I don't think it's a good advert for his commentary.

Clarets4me
Posts: 3418
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:31 pm
Been Liked: 1601 times
Has Liked: 698 times
Location: Ightenhill,Burnley

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:04 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:15 pm
Had the pleasure of meeting Bill McLaren while he was walking with his wife and dog as he did daily on Hawick Golf Course 14th Tee.
A real gent'. He did us the huge honor of introducing each one of our 4ball onto the Tee and doing a commentary of our shots -

"This tall young whipper snapper looks like he is going to really launch this... he's nearly put his back out on the practice swing....
He has! And it's huge! A huge slice - clearly these boys were on the town last night".
He was devoted to his wife, Bette, to whom he was married for over 60 years.
Following his death in 2010, the next Scotland home game at Murrayfield, ( In which Bill's Grandson, Rory Lawson played scrum-half for Scotland ) was preceded by a minute's applause in his memory. His widow became extremely emotional, and in a real moment of class, the BBC Commentator just said " You may wonder why we're not showing you pictures of Bill's family, I have to tell you that Mrs McLaren is rather overcome, and we see no merit in transmitting footage of this lovely lady in a state of distress "
These 2 users liked this post: Long Time Lurker HunterST_BFC

Wile E Coyote
Posts: 6743
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:22 pm
Been Liked: 2185 times
Has Liked: 1293 times

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:50 pm

I just hope he doesn't lose credibility by signing up with talk sport, the vaccuous toilet of a station.
they usually end up with ex bbc types and turn them into mouthpieces for betting companies or building supplies firms. Embarrassing to say the least.

evensteadiereddie
Posts: 6293
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:45 pm
Been Liked: 1896 times
Has Liked: 5420 times
Location: Staffordshire

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:25 pm

Green seemed to be the only commentator with the guts to criticise Ferguson for, amongst other things, harassing referees. The rest of them are still terrified of upsetting the very lucrative apple-cart.
This user liked this post: simonclaret

Oshkoshclaret
Posts: 433
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 240 times
Has Liked: 70 times
Location: Dallas, TX & Jefferson, MD
Contact:

Re: BBC decide not to renew Alan Green's contract

Post by Oshkoshclaret » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:41 am

He was a superb commentator 20 years ago but his skills have declined, he’s lost the balancing factor of jimmy armfield, something weird has happened where he can’t speak clearly any more (suspect he’s got false teeth... same issue with John craven) And generally he’s coming across as pompous and arrogant. So yes, time to put him out to pasture.

That being said, 5 Live is going downhill fast. It’s been my main radio station ever since it began and 90%+ of all my listening. But some of the new programming is rank. The worst offender being Nihal Arthanyaka, unlistenable lefty whining.

Post Reply