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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by dsr » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:53 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:48 pm
Given that this thing is here for at least another 3 months and if the Medics are successful in spreading the case load it could be 6months isn't the most likely scenario completion of this season's games towards the end of the year and scrapping next season's competitions with 2020-21 blank apart from some one off competitions like league and FA cup matches and perhaps another dreamt up competition or a host of friendlies, depending when this season can be completed?
If next season is scrapped, then Sky won't pay the TV money. Who pays the players' wages?

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Stan Tastic » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:56 pm

If the season can't be finished surely the only criteria they could use to decide the Premier League winners would be the team with the longest current unbeaten league record.
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:58 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:56 pm
If the season can't be finished surely the only criteria they could use to decide the Premier League winners would be the team with the longest current unbeaten league record.
Do I suspect that you have an ulterior motive for that? ;)
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Stanbill05 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:01 pm

Of course it’s the right call but let’s not pretend it will be better by 3 April. Someone in the future will need to make a decision to accept greater risk than there is now or this season is most certainly over.

Quite depressing really. Sport is a really important distraction for lots of people. As long as they don’t ban walking the dog, cycling and running I’ll be OK. Oh and surely a beer garden is safe for when the weather improves a bit.

Grim times though.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Stan Tastic » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:02 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:58 pm
Do I suspect that you have an ulterior motive for that? ;)
Might have to forget that because I've just remembered Arsenal's run.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by dsr » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:03 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:02 pm
Might have to forget that because I've just remembered Arsenal's run.
Second place wouldn't be too bad.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by thatdberight » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:04 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:03 pm
Second place wouldn't be too bad.
The year Jay Rod missing an open goal from 3 yards cost us the title...
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:07 pm

Might be time to bring the Pools Panel back to decide the remaining fixtures
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:10 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:02 pm
Might have to forget that because I've just remembered Arsenal's run.
What if all competitons were included?

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:13 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:07 pm
Might be time to bring the Pools Panel back to decide the remaining fixtures
No way. We'd get relegated.

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Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by wembley94 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:22 pm

The scientists advising the government has said they want the vast majority of the population to catch the virus.to build up immunity so why suspend these events?.the government hasn't asked them to.supermarkets factories trains and buses won't stop if a member of staff catches the virus

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Dy1geo » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:27 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:07 pm
Might be time to bring the Pools Panel back to decide the remaining fixtures
We moved on now from the Pools Panel surely it should be Lawro that decides the results
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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by LoveCurryPies » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:28 pm

Games should be played but fans can only see on tv.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:28 pm

Dy1geo wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:27 pm
We moved on now from the Pools Panel surely it should be Lawro that decides the results
Of course - what was I thinking!

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by LoveCurryPies » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:30 pm

Season should end immediately. No relegations and promotions....but only so Leeds stay in the championship. :lol:

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Trevors solution

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:32 pm

National leagues MUST take priority. As soon as play resumes play Saturday, Wednesday until leagues are finished. I would expect a period for training to be allotted before first game back.
If, as expected, Euro 2020 is put back a year play the CL & EL into June even with 1 game shoot outs. As the quality players would have been at Euro ‘20 this wouldn’t be to disruptive.

Hopefully season 20-21 would start on time.

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Stanbill05 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:32 pm

Because whilst most people will be fine, everything must be done to prevent the spread. To do anything else would be accepting the deaths of a lot of people. Mass gatherings like football matches would be stupid and football simply isn’t worth it. Whilst it might be good for herd immunity to let it spread unhindered, that policy again would kill people you know before it achieves that.

We might be ******* in the wind and wasting our time, but doing anything else would be unforgivable, especially for trivial things like sport. We need to be able to say we actually tried, before hundreds of people inevitably die.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Firthy » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:34 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:30 pm
Season should end immediately. No relegations and promotions....but only so Leeds stay in the championship. :lol:
Not all that improbable. Imagine the reaction from the likes of WBA and Leeds if that did happen. On the other hand I don't think that Norwich would mind too much.

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by damo_whitehead » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:35 pm

It is about doing the responsible thing. Rubbing shoulders with thousands of other people, some of which may fall into the vulnerable category is just irresponsible and selfish. Just because you will be fine, doesn't mean others will!

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:37 pm

The herd immunity means controlled spread of the disease. A football match would be uncontrolled. Even 20k leaving Turf Moor would possibly take it home and pass it on to a parent or grandparent who need protection not withstanding the folk they have contacted getting home, then they pop down the pub for a jar and bingo we are in Italy.

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by dsr » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:39 pm

Stanbill05 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:32 pm
Because whilst most people will be fine, everything must be done to prevent the spread. To do anything else would be accepting the deaths of a lot of people. Mass gatherings like football matches would be stupid and football simply isn’t worth it. Whilst it might be good for herd immunity to let it spread unhindered, that policy again would kill people you know before it achieves that.

We might be ******* in the wind and wasting our time, but doing anything else would be unforgivable, especially for trivial things like sport. We need to be able to say we actually tried, before hundreds of people inevitably die.
But which is more important? To do the right thing? Or to do something, anything, even if it's the wrong thing?

There is no other field of medicine where the official line is to take the medicine on the grounds that it will do no good, it will make you feel worse, but at least we will appear to have tried. Banning football does damage because it takes away entertainment. If all the good it does it so create self-worth, then it isn't enough. If the good it does is to save lives, then obviously that is enough.

And there is no proposal to let it spread unhindered - the proposal is to let it spread in a controlled way.

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:41 pm

damo_whitehead wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:35 pm
It is about doing the responsible thing. Rubbing shoulders with thousands of other people, some of which may fall into the vulnerable category is just irresponsible and selfish. Just because you will be fine, doesn't mean others will!
exactly this

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:42 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:39 pm

And there is no proposal to let it spread unhindered - the proposal is to let it spread in a controlled way.
and there is a massive reason for that

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Heathclaret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:44 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:39 pm
But which is more important? To do the right thing? Or to do something, anything, even if it's the wrong thing?

There is no other field of medicine where the official line is to take the medicine on the grounds that it will do no good, it will make you feel worse, but at least we will appear to have tried. Banning football does damage because it takes away entertainment. If all the good it does it so create self-worth, then it isn't enough. If the good it does is to save lives, then obviously that is enough.

And there is no proposal to let it spread unhindered - the proposal is to let it spread in a controlled way.

Who or what is controlling it?

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:44 pm

Don’t think the problem is all about Football Stadiums which are Open Air but more about fans getting to games.
Northern Trains run to Manchester Road bringing home and away fans to the game in massively overcrowded trains due to insufficient carriages.
Just my opinion of course

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by dsr » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:45 pm

Heathclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:44 pm
Who or what is controlling it?
The rules and proposed future rules on isolation as proposed by the government are designed to control it.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:45 pm

they wont cancel the season, even if its suspended for 12 months they will still finish it - the legal ramifications of scrapping it are gigantic

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:47 pm

they are trying to slow it down, zero chance of controlling it

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Stanbill05 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:47 pm

How do you control anything if you let people travel from far and wide to sit next to each other? Don’t disagree with the rest of your post.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:51 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:45 pm
they wont cancel the season, even if its suspended for 12 months they will still finish it - the legal ramifications of scrapping it are gigantic
In that scenario, the players, staff etc. get paid twice but the clubs only get TV money once.

No doubt that there will be a lot of legal arguments over this but let's think about that at a later stage eh? Right now, we just need to get through the next few months.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by UnderSeige » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:57 pm

mmd2 wrote:
Given that this thing is here for at least another 3 months and if the Medics are successful in spreading the case load it could be 6months isn't the most likely scenario completion of this season's games towards the end of the year and scrapping next season's competitions with 2020-21 blank apart from some one off competitions like league and FA cup matches and perhaps another dreamt up competition or a host of friendlies, depending when this season can be completed?
It depends a lot on where we are with the virus. There could be a re-surge of the virus in the winter months. I guess a lot will depend on:
  • Whether we have a 'warm sunny summer' or a 'typical washout of a summer'.
  • How early a vaccine can be developed and distributed and if the government are willing to make the vaccine available to anyone and everyone free of charge
It might be an idea to play out the rest of this season starting in March 2021. If the virus is contained before then (e.g. by Christmas, there could be a series of pre-season friendlies and internationals.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:10 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:51 pm
In that scenario, the players, staff etc. get paid twice but the clubs only get TV money once.

No doubt that there will be a lot of legal arguments over this but let's think about that at a later stage eh? Right now, we just need to get through the next few months.
the interesting one is what happens to the out of contract players (usually June) if we end up finishing the season in the summer.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:10 pm

I work with an Everton fan who has been miserable watching Liverpool run away with the premier league. Now he is laughing his gonads off saying it is divine retribution for what they did to Everton’s European chances after what they did at Hysel ,

It’s an ill wind that....
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by The Enclosure » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:11 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:30 pm
Season should end immediately. No relegations and promotions....but only so Leeds stay in the championship. :lol:
I think they will not relegate anyone and promote top 3 teams from championship .Then next season demote the bottom 4 teams.

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Post by Claret32yrs » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:20 pm

Be interesting how this plays out. Seen Liverpool fans saying they should be given the title on the BBC but they're still not mathematically guaranteed it. their form of late is at best, inconsistent. Lucky to beat West Ham, Norwich or Bournemouth. Lots of permutations top and bottom of all leagues. Would make sense to complete if and when possible, but before July. Or just scrub the results from the record books and cancel this season. Which would highly annoy Liverpool fans as they're within 5/6 points dependent on goal difference of winning it.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Bigvince » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:23 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:57 am
No football..no sport at all...WTF are we all going to do,while we batten down the hatches,maybe a bit of bedroom gymnastics with the wife might come into play...its been a while :D
As long as you can manage it whilst remaining 2 mtrs apart :D
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:26 pm

The Enclosure wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:11 pm
I think they will not relegate anyone and promote top 3 teams from championship .Then next season demote the bottom 4 teams.
What, and give our top six teams even more games to play? They are already complaing that they can't compete in Europe because there are too many PL games. They would whinge.
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by ClaretAL » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:37 pm

Its all well and good the players taking 2 weeks out to ensure none of them have it, but anyone in that crowd come April 4th could have it and pass on etc. I just don't see where this ends to be honest, other than behind closed doors with routinely tested players to ensure they are negative.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Stalbansclaret » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:50 pm

Very depressing.....no football is definitely bad for mental health :cry:

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:07 pm

The implication of this shutdown are absolutely huge. Not just players contracts, club's finances and disruption. Stewards won't be needed, neither will a lot of ancillary staff.

Sky won't pay to distribute pictures of empty grounds, they won't pay commentators or pundits either. Will they pay clubs? I doubt it.

Many other sports will be similarly affected. Huge job losses are certain and that's just in sport.

Expand that out into the wider economy and a lot of people are going to be out of work. The economy will be trashed, so it's no wonder the markets have crashed.

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Post by bfcbri » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:14 pm

With the game called off tomorrow has anything been said yet regarding what is happening with the tickets we have got as with it now possibly not being on a Saturday I would struggle to get there if a week day game?

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Sproggy » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:15 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:47 pm
they are trying to slow it down, zero chance of controlling it
It's about spreading out the rate at which people catch it. Rather than half the country having it at the same time (stretching already stretched services beyond breaking), it means fewer people have it at the same time - though over time the same number will have ended up getting it (better to have 500 a month for 3 months than 1500 next week). It's not really about stopping people getting it, it's controlling how many have it at once. The flip side is that if we tell everyone to stay in for 3 months, nobody will get infected which sounds great.....until they all come outside again in June and we go back to square 1.

Eventually enough people will have had it and recovered and are (hopefully) immune, that the chances of passing it on are much reduced as the person that has it is probably coughing on someone who's immune so transmission doesn't happen. This is the herd immunity thing.

Having said all that, I can't see how football can pick up in April unless all teams have all players and staff tested, given the all clear and they play a load of half-arsed games behind closed doors very quickly. If players at clubs are getting it at different times, clubs aren't going to have complete squads available for a few months.
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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:41 pm

There is plenty of time to play the remaining games as they could 1)play games behind closed doors 2) Play Saturday/ mid week 3) Extend season if necessary as Euros will probably be put back 12 months.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:44 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:41 pm
There is plenty of time to play the remaining games as they could 1)play games behind closed doors 2) Play Saturday/ mid week 3) Extend season if necessary as Euros will probably be put back 12 months.
That doesn't seem likely. If we have players infected at this stage, surely there will be a lot more as time goes by?

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by LS7 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:45 pm

Lots of fixtures under the lights when it restarts. Trying to find a positive but working away I love it when a midweek game is in town.

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by thatdberight » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:47 pm

Heathclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:44 pm
Who or what is controlling it?
You're right to question that. "Controlled" in this context doesn't mean that anyone's planning who gets it. It just means that there is a tipping point at which enough of us have it that you then turn off the taps by increasing isolationary measures. Football has been abandoned for sporting reasons primarily and contrary to the overall national strategy unfortunately.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by dsr » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:52 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:41 pm
There is plenty of time to play the remaining games as they could 1)play games behind closed doors 2) Play Saturday/ mid week 3) Extend season if necessary as Euros will probably be put back 12 months.
The reason for this cancellation is for protection of the players; not for protection of the crowds. The players don't reduce their risk by shutting out the crowds.

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by Leisure » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:58 pm

bfcbri wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:14 pm
With the game called off tomorrow has anything been said yet regarding what is happening with the tickets we have got as with it now possibly not being on a Saturday I would struggle to get there if a week day game?
The word from the club is that details of potential refunds will be given next week. Not sure of the use of 'potential'?

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Re: Premier League gone surely...

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:59 pm

Could end up like it does in amateur footy, playing about 4 games a week in May desperately trying to get fixtures in.

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Re: Why suspend sport ? Let fans decide

Post by Spijed » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:18 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:47 pm
You're right to question that. "Controlled" in this context doesn't mean that anyone's planning who gets it. It just means that there is a tipping point at which enough of us have it that you then turn off the taps by increasing isolationary measures. Football has been abandoned for sporting reasons primarily and contrary to the overall national strategy unfortunately.
With the London marathon moved to the 4th October it looks like it's becoming a voluntary partial lockdown in a way, with people having to stay at home instead of attending the big events this year.

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