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Strange how certain posters all seem to come on here at the same time, then disappear at the same time.
Makes you think they might all be the same person.
Makes you think they might all be the same person.
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Here we go again, Bosscat & Houseboy are one and the same but everyone knows that anywayGordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:09 pmStrange how certain posters all seem to come on here at the same time, then disappear at the same time.
Makes you think they might all be the same person.
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This was discussed last night, you need everybody singing from the same hymn sheet, some people have the opinion of isolation & becoming a recluse albeit briefly, others want to carry on living normally & take the chances, it's all good & well a 20 yr bloke having that attitude, people 50+ with existing health conditions it's a risky game.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:36 amThis seems to make a lot of sense.
'Behave like you already have the virus'
An infectious disease expert says people shouldn't just try to avoid getting coronavirus - instead, they should act as though they already have the virus and want to avoid passing it on.
Professor Graham Medley, from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), said this during an interview with BBC Newsnight last night when asked if there was a "simple message" he could give the public.
His response was: "Most people have a fear of acquiring the virus, but I think a good way of doing it is to imagine that you do have the virus, and change your behaviour so that you're not transmitting it.
"Don't think about changing your behaviour so you won't get it. Think about changing your behaviour so you don't give it to somebody else."
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I know all about the risk element. I'm 72 years old. I have atrial fibrilation, heart disease and heart failure. That's why I'm not leaving home more than I have to.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:14 pmThis was discussed last night, you need everybody singing from the same hymn sheet, some people have the opinion of isolation & becoming a recluse albeit briefly, others want to carry on living normally & take the chances, it's all good & well a 20 yr bloke having that attitude, people 50+ with existing health conditions it's a risky game.
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Very wise of you...keep safe oldtimerGordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:18 pmI know all about the risk element. I'm 72 years old. I have atrial fibrilation, heart disease and heart failure. That's why I'm not leaving home more than I have to.
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I don't blame you at all, I'm the same I'm becoming a recluse.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:18 pmI know all about the risk element. I'm 72 years old. I have atrial fibrilation, heart disease and heart failure. That's why I'm not leaving home more than I have to.
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With those conditions I’d be spending less time on this forum that’s for sure!Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:18 pmI know all about the risk element. I'm 72 years old. I have atrial fibrilation, heart disease and heart failure. That's why I'm not leaving home more than I have to.
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Well, I haven't a lot else to do at the moment. Not even any footy to watch on TV.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:22 pmWith those conditions I’d be spending less time on this forum that’s for sure!
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In that case lighten up Gord, will lower the stress levels!Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:26 pmWell, I haven't a lot else to do at the moment. Not even any footy to watch on TV.
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Hope we all come through this togetherGordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:18 pmI know all about the risk element. I'm 72 years old. I have atrial fibrilation, heart disease and heart failure. That's why I'm not leaving home more than I have to.
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Here is the EPL statement as shown on the BFC web page.
The Premier League has issued the following statement:
Following a meeting of Shareholders today, it was unanimously decided to suspend the Premier League with the intention of returning on 4 April, subject to medical advice and conditions at the time.
Premier League Chief Executive Richard Masters said: “Above all, we wish Mikel Arteta and Callum Hudson-Odoi speedy recoveries, and everyone else affected by COVID-19.
“In this unprecedented situation, we are working closely with our clubs, Government, The FA and EFL and can reassure everyone the health and welfare of players, staff and supporters are our priority.”
Despite the challenges, it is the Premier League’s aim to reschedule the displaced fixtures, including those played by Academy sides, when it is safe to do so.
In this fast-moving environment, further updates will be provided when appropriate.
The Premier League has issued the following statement:
Following a meeting of Shareholders today, it was unanimously decided to suspend the Premier League with the intention of returning on 4 April, subject to medical advice and conditions at the time.
Premier League Chief Executive Richard Masters said: “Above all, we wish Mikel Arteta and Callum Hudson-Odoi speedy recoveries, and everyone else affected by COVID-19.
“In this unprecedented situation, we are working closely with our clubs, Government, The FA and EFL and can reassure everyone the health and welfare of players, staff and supporters are our priority.”
Despite the challenges, it is the Premier League’s aim to reschedule the displaced fixtures, including those played by Academy sides, when it is safe to do so.
In this fast-moving environment, further updates will be provided when appropriate.
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It would definitely take longer if we all just hid under a stone and hoped it would disappear.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:33 pmWe will, it'll sort itself out, it'll just take longer with some people making life harder than it needs to be.
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The guy who is managing our Business Continuity Plan at work is ex-military and still has contact with the army. Apparently they are working towards being mobilised next Friday which is when we will go into lockdown.
He is also a bit of drama queen though.
He is also a bit of drama queen though.
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Great to see supplies of respirators and other medical equipment arriving in Italy from China today. The Italian's are extremely grateful for the help and went out of their way to thank the Chinese.
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The day a chinaman gives ANYTHING away free is the day the Martians land . While it’s a helpful and positive gesture indeed it won’t be gratisGordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:22 pmGreat to see supplies of respirators and other medical equipment arriving in Italy from China today. The Italian's are extremely grateful for the help and went out of their way to thank the Chinese.
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Your attitude is pretty appalling actually. Anyway, where did I say the supplies were free, even though I'm led to believe they are a Chinese government gift?AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:31 pmThe day a chinaman gives ANYTHING away free is the day the Martians land . While it’s a helpful and positive gesture indeed it won’t be gratis
Meanwhile, Italy's European partners refused to help, saying they needed supplies themselves.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2101IM
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British Airways chief releases video to staff saying that numerous job losses are inevitable and that those jobs may not come back, even after the virus.
He also said that they were already parking planes up and mothballing them.
That's just one company. I'm sure it will apply to many more as well.
He also said that they were already parking planes up and mothballing them.
That's just one company. I'm sure it will apply to many more as well.
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Respirator manufacturer’s should be working max overtime on significant bonuses at the moment!
Good on the Chinese!
Good on the Chinese!
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Unfortunately it looks like BA are taking the opportunity to have a cull, they’ve been having staff issues for years with unions involved - now they’re using this as an excuse to cull the “bad eggs” in their eyes.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:57 pmBritish Airways chief releases video to staff saying that numerous job losses are inevitable and that those jobs may not come back, even after the virus.
He also said that they were already parking planes up and mothballing them.
That's just one company. I'm sure it will apply to many more as well.
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I'm sure that there is an element of truth in that and no doubt other mega companies will do the same.
Big business has few if any morals.
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I just hope the Watford H will not be re arranged between the 15th and 25th April, as I've booked a holiday in Cyprus. Can't imagine it will cheap to fly back home for the game and back out again, if it is. But I will have to prepare myself to do that.
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Unfortunate that they've needed to wait until now. Carrying lots of unnecessary staff may be why they're so uncompetitive.
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Just been to Accrington, Asda looked like it had been ransacked in some isles. One Asda worker told a lady they had had no toilet roll for a week except for small deliveries which went within minutes. No pasta at all.
Lidl had a small amount of toilet roll , check out lady said it had been crazy busy all day.
Lidl had a small amount of toilet roll , check out lady said it had been crazy busy all day.
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think you have bigger things to worry about than the Watford game being rearranged between those dates.
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Italy says 1,000 have died but lockdown can work.
Two weeks after the first 10 towns in northern Italy were declared a "red zone" and put under lockdown, he said they had no new infections.
This then served as a model to tighten measures across the country.
Italian authorities say it could take two weeks for the impact of the restrictions to be seen on the coronavirus outbreak nationwide, which is still surging in towns and cities outside the initial red zone.
As the outbreak in China begins to ease, the government in Beijing is sending Italy teams of specialist doctors and supplies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51852320
Two weeks after the first 10 towns in northern Italy were declared a "red zone" and put under lockdown, he said they had no new infections.
This then served as a model to tighten measures across the country.
Italian authorities say it could take two weeks for the impact of the restrictions to be seen on the coronavirus outbreak nationwide, which is still surging in towns and cities outside the initial red zone.
As the outbreak in China begins to ease, the government in Beijing is sending Italy teams of specialist doctors and supplies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51852320
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Missing the point, they’re being opportunistic I believethatdberight wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:10 pmUnfortunate that they've needed to wait until now. Carrying lots of unnecessary staff may be why they're so uncompetitive.
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It's interesting that known cases in the UK have risen to 798 today. No doubt there are also many more as yet undiagnosed. Deaths though, remain at 10 which is a very low percentage compared with what has been suggested. Of course, death figures have been getting released later in the day but unless that figure jumps hugely, it's still a low number.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:20 pmItaly says 1,000 have died but lockdown can work.
Two weeks after the first 10 towns in northern Italy were declared a "red zone" and put under lockdown, he said they had no new infections.
This then served as a model to tighten measures across the country.
Italian authorities say it could take two weeks for the impact of the restrictions to be seen on the coronavirus outbreak nationwide, which is still surging in towns and cities outside the initial red zone.
As the outbreak in China begins to ease, the government in Beijing is sending Italy teams of specialist doctors and supplies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51852320
Also, some of those newly infected may also die but even so, it seems a lot lower than some expected.
Fingers crossed.
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What's the thing with toilet rolls?? I really have missed something, but not once have I read about people having the sh**s!! And I'm so worried about the pasta situation I can't sleep!! If I don't find pasta soon I'm going to die!! I simply can't live without it and SO wish I'd filled my entire utility room with when the going was good!! Damn! Those people who have bought it all up really are ahead of the game. Brilliant and well done I say. They'll be happy bunnies and probably rather smug! Whereas I'm sad, depressed and pasta-less!!
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I wonder if the post further up, regarding the army and lockdown from a week today goes ahead.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:27 pmIt's interesting that known cases in the UK have risen to 798 today. No doubt there are also many more as yet undiagnosed. Deaths though, remain at 10 which is a very low percentage compared with what has been suggested. Of course, death figures have been getting released later in the day but unless that figure jumps hugely, it's still a low number.
Also, some of those newly infected may also die but even so, it seems a lot lower than some expected.
Fingers crossed.
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Who knows in such a fast changing environment. It is the only post I've seen on the subjuct though and the poster did say his friend was a drama queen as I recall.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:30 pmI wonder if the post further up, regarding the army and lockdown from a week today goes ahead.
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I think part of the explanation is the current small amount of people needing ICU care. People also from what I have read can be alive in ICU for up to two weeks. So I think we can expect a delay in the rise of numbers passing away.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:27 pmIt's interesting that known cases in the UK have risen to 798 today. No doubt there are also many more as yet undiagnosed. Deaths though, remain at 10 which is a very low percentage compared with what has been suggested. Of course, death figures have been getting released later in the day but unless that figure jumps hugely, it's still a low number.
Also, some of those newly infected may also die but even so, it seems a lot lower than some expected.
Fingers crossed.
It’s when you get Italy’s problem where you have run of ICU beds and your just letting some people die without intervention, as hard as that is it’s what they are doing and hence death rates are high.
I have been watching the China numbers and the death rates have just taken a big drop a few weeks after lockdown.
In the article about Italy they are saying it is going to be two weeks before they see lockdown working.
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What people with extreme views like yours need to remember is that ALL deaths will eventually be recorded, but not ALL infections. Most people will get this virus, stay at home (Hopefully) then return to normal life without ever being recorded as having had the virus. Therefore death figures will be dramatically skewed to the upside.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:39 pmI think part of the explanation is the current small amount of people needing ICU care. People also from what I have read can be alive in ICU for up to two weeks. So I think we can expect a delay in the rise of numbers passing away.
It’s when you get Italy’s problem where you have run of ICU beds and your just letting some people die without intervention, as hard as that is it’s what they are doing and hence death rates are high.
I have been watching the China numbers and the death rates have just taken a big drop a few weeks after lockdown.
In the article about Italy they are saying it is going to be two weeks before they see lockdown working.
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Probably a "just in case" practice run. So as to be prepared if it does happen in future.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:33 pmWho knows in such a fast changing environment. It is the only post I've seen on the subjuct though and the poster did say his friend was a drama queen as I recall.
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It is only 38 Army folk presently. In reality our Army couldn't replace a fraction of essential workers these days. We hardly have an army.
Dozens of non-uniformed members of Army have been drafted in to help with the coronavirus response.
Some 38 members of the Royal Logistics Corp have been deployed to local planning forums to boost resilience, the Prime Minister's spokesman said.
They are Ministry of Defence planners “who will be helping local areas draw up their plans as to how they support public services and emergency services throughout the outbreak”, he added.
Downing Street's comments come after the Times reports troops could be deployed to guard Downing Street and Parliament under MOD contingency plans.
With almost 600 confirmed cases and up to 10,000 suspected in the UK already, they would backfill for police if sickness takes a hit to staff numbers.
The UK government expects up to a fifth of workers to be off at the same time.
Dozens of non-uniformed members of Army have been drafted in to help with the coronavirus response.
Some 38 members of the Royal Logistics Corp have been deployed to local planning forums to boost resilience, the Prime Minister's spokesman said.
They are Ministry of Defence planners “who will be helping local areas draw up their plans as to how they support public services and emergency services throughout the outbreak”, he added.
Downing Street's comments come after the Times reports troops could be deployed to guard Downing Street and Parliament under MOD contingency plans.
With almost 600 confirmed cases and up to 10,000 suspected in the UK already, they would backfill for police if sickness takes a hit to staff numbers.
The UK government expects up to a fifth of workers to be off at the same time.
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I've just read a thing saying 200 new cases recorded in the UK today. Well how is that even possible, if people with symptoms are told to self isolate and stay at home and not go anywhere near the doctor? It would seem that there are 200 very naughty people there and Hudson-Odoi and Arteta are 2 of them!! That's just one of several reasons why I just think a lot of this fiasco, including all the figures" is in fact actually rumour, speculation and sensationalism and I take it all with a large pinch of salt!!
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Not missing it. Typical of them that they need external circumstances to force their hand. Not a company I rate.
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You do know we're also testing people don't you?Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:55 pmI've just read a thing saying 200 new cases recorded in the UK today. Well how is that even possible, if people with symptoms are told to self isolate and stay at home and not go anywhere near the doctor? It would seem that there are 200 very naughty people there and Hudson-Odoi and Arteta are 2 of them!! That's just one of several reasons why I just think a lot of this fiasco, including all the figures" is in fact actually rumour, speculation and sensationalism and I take it all with a large pinch of salt!!
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Who? if you show symptoms you're told to stay home and self isolate. Not dash down to the doctors and demand a test!
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I went to the Doctor's Surgery today, as needed to leave them a letter from a consultant I saw. I had to buzz the door and they let me in to go to reception and leave it with them. There were a couple of people go in before me who were allowed to sit and wait for a GP.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:55 pmI've just read a thing saying 200 new cases recorded in the UK today. Well how is that even possible, if people with symptoms are told to self isolate and stay at home and not go anywhere near the doctor? It would seem that there are 200 very naughty people there and Hudson-Odoi and Arteta are 2 of them!! That's just one of several reasons why I just think a lot of this fiasco, including all the figures" is in fact actually rumour, speculation and sensationalism and I take it all with a large pinch of salt!!
So people can still see a GP although not sure of the protocol if somebody thinks they have the virus. But let's not get posters now replying to what you've posted throwing insults and sarcasm around - it can't be just me it's pi$$ing off.
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We're testing in various circumstances including some in hospital and I'm sure the footballers went private in a controlled way.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:59 pmWho? if you show symptoms you're told to stay home and self isolate. Not dash down to the doctors and demand a test!
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Pure speculation on my part, but if there are far more unreported cases than reported ones (The goverment yesterday gave estimated figures of between 5 and 10 thousand.) then maybe the whole population will get this virus, recover and be immune, a lot more quickly than first thought? This could possibly last a lot shorter time than current forecasts?
Maybe I'm just an optimist? Before responding, remember, this is just hopeful speculation on my part.
Maybe I'm just an optimist? Before responding, remember, this is just hopeful speculation on my part.
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Quite right Frank, cos it's bloody *****ng me off too. Well actually the reaction of (SOME) people to it is. Those clowns who are emptying the shelves of bloody pasta for example, for absolutely no good reason or those who believe every single sensational headline in the Daily Bugle! (Nope, I know that ain't real either!! )FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:01 pmI went to the Doctor's Surgery today, as needed to leave them a letter from a consultant I saw. I had to buzz the door and they let me in to go to reception and leave it with them. There were a couple of people go in before me who were allowed to sit and wait for a GP.
So people can still see a GP although not sure of the protocol if somebody thinks they have the virus. But let's not get posters now replying to what you've posted throwing insults and sarcasm around - it can't be just me it's pi$$ing off.
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This is all in the public domain. Why people choose not to take in information, I don't know.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:01 pmI went to the Doctor's Surgery today, as needed to leave them a letter from a consultant I saw. I had to buzz the door and they let me in to go to reception and leave it with them. There were a couple of people go in before me who were allowed to sit and wait for a GP.
So people can still see a GP although not sure of the protocol if somebody thinks they have the virus. But let's not get posters now replying to what you've posted throwing insults and sarcasm around - it can't be just me it's pi$$ing off.
People were referred to test centres by NHS 111 - if NHS 111 suspected the disease based on symptoms, they were told to drive to testing sites, or hospitals, where there are assessment pods. I've seen one myself. There was also testing at home.
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I suggested the same thing yesterday after listening to BoJo. It came across that that's the plan. Let it ride out and for the population to be immune from it.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:05 pmPure speculation on my part, but if there are far more unreported cases than reported ones (The goverment yesterday gave estimated figures of between 5 and 10 thousand.) then maybe the whole population will get this virus, recover and be immune, a lot more quickly than first thought? This could possibly last a lot shorter time than current forecasts?
Maybe I'm just an optimist? Before responding, remember, this is just hopeful speculation on my part.
I can certainly see the thinking behind it, although I'm also interested in how a lockdown in areas of Italy and China appears to be working. However, the world may need to be locked down for 52+ days if you take into account the numbers (how long it can remain on a surface + how long people can pass it on).
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It's just good sense and trying to help to be prepared. Not to stupid levels obviously but if the medical science and government advice is that we should self-isolate for two weeks, you need two weeks' food.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:06 pmQuite right Frank, cos it's bloody *****ng me off too. Well actually the reaction of (SOME) people to it is. Those clowns who are emptying the shelves of bloody pasta for example, for absolutely no good reason or those who believe every single sensational headline in the Daily Bugle! (Nope, I know that ain't real either!! )
That's not for your own benefit. You've already got it. It's to stop you going out infecting other people.
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Re: Coronavirus
You do get walk-ins, without people ringing up initially for advice, although my local GP surgery as the information plastered on the doors even before you walk in not sure on others, doesn't matter anyway it will spread when people mix & socialise as they normally do in life. If you are going to do something effectively you engage the full fist approach without kid gloves.thatdberight wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:07 pmThis is all in the public domain. Why people choose not to take in information, I don't know.
People were referred to test centres by NHS 111 - if NHS 111 suspected the disease based on symptoms, they were told to drive to testing sites, or hospitals, where there are assessment pods. I've seen one myself. There was also testing at home.
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Re: Coronavirus
I think that the Italy situation has been explained by the media. Apparrently, like China, they started their actions too late. Lots of people were infected before any real action was taken. Plus of course, Italy has the second oldest demographic in the world, so you'd expect more deaths. China at least had the excuse that they didn't initially know what they were dealing with. They just knew that a lot of people were falling ill. It took time to recognise that it was a brand new virus.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:10 pmI suggested the same thing yesterday after listening to BoJo. It came across that that's the plan. Let it ride out and for the population to be immune from it.
I can certainly see the thinking behind it, although I'm also interested in how a lockdown in areas of Italy and China appears to be working. However, the world may need to be locked down for 52+ days if you take into account the numbers (how long it can remain on a surface + how long people can pass it on).