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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:42 pm
Supermarkets will hopefully be able to keep up with the demand.
If it's this bad now, what happens when all over 70s are asked to stay at home? Maybe the army will be seconded for deliveries? It wouldn't surprise me.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:47 pm

There shouldn't be any shortage of delivery drivers. How long does it take to train someone to drive a van and read a satnav? If they can't find full time drivers they can get some evening or weekend work in.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:49 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:44 pm
If it's this bad now, what happens when all over 70s are asked to stay at home? Maybe the army will be seconded for deliveries? It wouldn't surprise me.
Lots of people who simply choose to get delivery will have to go to the shop. You older folk will get priority. It was on Sky News this morning that this was being discussed with the supermarkets. With other things being closed, there'll be plenty of spare capacity. It just takes someone to take control of it.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:52 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:47 pm
There shouldn't be any shortage of delivery drivers. How long does it take to train someone to drive a van and read a satnav? If they can't find full time drivers they can get some evening or weekend work in.
No doubt we'll find out soon, but I imagine that drivers have to have a bit more than an abilty to drive before Tesco employs them.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:53 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:49 pm
Lots of people who simply choose to get delivery will have to go to the shop. You older folk will get priority. It was on Sky News this morning that this was being discussed with the supermarkets. With other things being closed, there'll be plenty of spare capacity. It just takes someone to take control of it.
Maybe, we'll see.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:57 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:52 pm
No doubt we'll find out soon, but I imagine that drivers have to have a bit more than an abilty to drive before Tesco employs them.
Technical ability required = next to nothing (driving licence, obviously). Police check, when they're busy = 3 months, I dare say. The authorities will be able to find a way round it if they have to.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:58 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:35 pm
You're right, there has been sense but it's almost impossible to find.
It is hard to find. Once you've waded through your childish insults it's easier though.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:00 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:49 pm
Lots of people who simply choose to get delivery will have to go to the shop. You older folk will get priority. It was on Sky News this morning that this was being discussed with the supermarkets. With other things being closed, there'll be plenty of spare capacity. It just takes someone to take control of it.
The older generation (some) will already have accounts with Wiltshire food deliveries & other meals on wheels, some of the older generation have home help & doctor's visiting & prescriptions delivered, it's not unusual for an old person never stepping foot outside of the house, there's no need to.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:01 pm

One positive that may come of out of this is that Donald Trump has been well and truly shown up for being the moron that he is, with his pathetic initial response to the crisis.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Firthy » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:04 pm

So how many over 70's on here are going to isolate themselves for 4 months ?? I already think I know the answer :)

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:06 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:04 pm
So how many over 70's on here are going to isolate themselves for 4 months ?? I already think I know the answer :)
I know one who will, if he has too. :)

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:12 pm

I've joined the daft crew who are stockpiling.

Just nipped to the local off-license and instead of buying a Pot Noodle, I bought two.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:16 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:12 pm
I've joined the daft crew who are stockpiling.

Just nipped to the local off-license and instead of buying a Pot Noodle, I bought two.
I'd say "God help your stomach." but I don't believe in Gods.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:16 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:58 pm
It is hard to find. Once you've waded through your childish insults it's easier though.
Thanks. You could always 'foe' me and then you'll be able to see unadulterated the "it's nothing" / "we're all going to die" viewpoints, depending on which you fancy.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:20 pm

I hear today that trains are nearly empty in some places. I wonder if the Tories will point to current figures as an excuse to cancel their promise of new trains? Maybe I'm just cynical of the Tories? Then again, I've more experience of them than most on here.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by summitclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:25 pm

In all the gloom, today's stats indicate a drop in the number of cases. It could be a blip of course or because of fewer tests. Let's hope for another drop tomorrow. Keep safe.


BBC News - Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:26 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:53 am
Wonder when transportation such as trains will be stopped
Soon, I hope. I've a shedload of advance tickets for events, conferences and exhibitions that'll be called off. I don't want the trains to be on.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:27 pm

Italy reports 368 new deaths in one day

Italy has announced its latest coronavirus figures, and they show new cases are still increasing steeply.

The Government announced 3,590 new cases and 368 new deaths, raising total to 24,747 cases and 1,809 dead.

The figure is the highest one-day increase to date, with Italy now second only to China for death toll.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:34 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:01 pm
One positive that may come of out of this is that Donald Trump has been well and truly shown up for being the moron that he is, with his pathetic initial response to the crisis.
That fleeting bad start, has been replaced by him gathering a good team and a united response.
Free testing for everyone that needs it, treatment as well.

How it plays out will ultimately define how he is seen in the US.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:12 pm
I've joined the daft crew who are stockpiling.

Just nipped to the local off-license and instead of buying a Pot Noodle, I bought two.
I did today as well.
As we run a dog boarding business and still having bookings, I went and bought 570 poo bags.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:39 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:34 pm
That fleeting bad start, has been replaced by him gathering a good team and a united response.
Free testing for everyone that needs it, treatment as well.

How it plays out will ultimately define how he is seen in the US.
He's seen as a Prat. It was only Electoral College votes that got him elected in the first place. The 'People' rejected him.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:44 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:34 pm
That fleeting bad start, has been replaced by him gathering a good team and a united response.
Free testing for everyone that needs it, treatment as well.

How it plays out will ultimately define how he is seen in the US.
I'd class denying there was a problem and then claiming the situation was improving as more than a fleeting bad start.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:44 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:40 pm
South Korea has done 265,000 tests so far and is doing 20,000 a day. Perhaps we should ask if we can buy some from there.

I have had seasonal flu since last Weds, not a bad one, but super snotty today.

I do disagree with the gov strategy of just testing those who are really poorly, health workers need to be tested in my humble opinion.
Is it gov strategy not to test health workers? I'd not heard that - and I wasn't suggesting that. I'd make a guess that gov strategy is to leave it to the health specialists to do what they judge is required and for gov to provide all the resources the health specialists need to do this.

I had heard that there was shortage of testing kits in US. A number of the early deaths in US were in Seattle area and I heard that many people there who had visited doctors weren't being tested for coronavirus - that was at least 2 weeks back, maybe 3. I know they've upped their testing capabilities since.

Anyway, possibly more interesting is this article in Washington Post: "Why outbreaks like coronavirus spread exponentially and how to flatten the curve."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... rc=nl_most
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:55 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:25 pm
In all the gloom, today's stats indicate a drop in the number of cases. It could be a blip of course or because of fewer tests. Let's hope for another drop tomorrow. Keep safe.


BBC News - Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873
Have you got a source for the drop? Is that worldwide? Thanks

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:55 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:04 pm
So how many over 70's on here are going to isolate themselves for 4 months ?? I already think I know the answer :)
I've more than 3 years to go to my 70th birthday. I'm retiring at the end of this month. I'm not unhappy that work has postponed by retirement "celebration" and that we've all been told we've got mandatory work from home for at least the next 2 weeks.

I can just about do the 4 months, April, May, June and July, so long as I can get a few days off after Easter to go to a nephew's wedding, assuming it is still allowed to go ahead, beyond that the retirement plans included lots of travelling.... :(

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:57 pm

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:00 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:16 pm
Thanks. You could always 'foe' me and then you'll be able to see unadulterated the "it's nothing" / "we're all going to die" viewpoints, depending on which you fancy.
Yes because you're the only poster capable of understanding anything and talking any sense. You're the only one who isn't thick. Without you holding this board together, it would be infiltrated by extremists. You're right to be as arrogant as you are.

For the benefit of everyone else on this board who can't understand even the most simple of things, I am of course being sarcastic here.

Anyway, take some time to reflect on the way you converse with people and we'll leave it there in order to avoid any further unpleasantness on this thread. Cheers.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:09 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:00 pm
Yes because you're the only poster capable of understanding anything and talking any sense. You're the only one who isn't thick. Without you holding this board together, it would be infiltrated by extremists. You're right to be as arrogant as you are.

For the benefit of everyone else on this board who can't understand even the most simple of things, I am of course being sarcastic here.

Anyway, take some time to reflect on the way you converse with people and we'll leave it there in order to avoid any further unpleasantness on this thread. Cheers.
I don't think that at all and that's an unbalanced summation of my interaction with posters on here.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:32 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:44 pm
I'd class denying there was a problem and then claiming the situation was improving as more than a fleeting bad start.
To be fair, has our boy Boris been any better.

We are going to keep everything open ,carry on as normal. Within 48hrs footy cancelled but not by the gov.

We are going for herd immunity. Going to reduce testing.

Due to that decision we will be in lockdown by the end of the week and have no idea who is infected or where it’s more serious and where our resources need to be concentrated.

This morning when the health Sec said the UK would buy as many respirators as could be made, that was him admitting the strategy was in trouble.

I will be asking in the morning when my company is going to come to the aid of the country.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by summitclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:43 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:55 pm
Have you got a source for the drop? Is that worldwide? Thanks

It's the UK. I read the BBC article, which had a graph showing a reduction of new cases for today compared to yesterday. I then went back to copy it, but the graph had gone.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:56 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:43 pm
It's the UK. I read the BBC article, which had a graph showing a reduction of new cases for today compared to yesterday. I then went back to copy it, but the graph had gone.
Found the stats. 342 yesterday, 232 today.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Seems unlikely but let's hope that's genuine and not just a fluctuation or how we're measuring/testing.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by uptheclarets » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:00 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:26 pm
If you’ve also noticed from the outset a sense of disillusionment & a detachment of reality regarding the seriousness of the virus, some posters from day 1 have accurately predicted near enough everything & also going even further demonstrated that understanding with facts & day by day what’s emerged is what was said not days ago but weeks ago.
I very rarely post these days but follow a number of topics.

I have found you Jackupclaret and paulatky to have called things just about right from day 1

Lowbank has also been a good source of information,

What has been noticeable is how sentiment has changed very quickly from “its only flu” to this is a serious issue for the whole of humanity.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:06 pm

Some laughable comments on here at times.

Paul Waine, cracking link to the Washington Post with its different models to explain things, thanks for that.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:09 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:43 pm
It's the UK. I read the BBC article, which had a graph showing a reduction of new cases for today compared to yesterday. I then went back to copy it, but the graph had gone.
It was from worldometers website.

Number of cases down but deaths very slightly up.
As someone else has said could be because we are not testing as many

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:15 pm

It will be because the testing policy has changed
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:17 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:06 pm
Some laughable comments on here at times.

Paul, cracking link to the Washington Post with its different models to explain things, thanks for that.
Thanks at the end of the day we are all Clarets and want us all to come through the other side.

All I have based my assumptions on have been both number of cases and deaths doubling every fortnight. It is currently doubling even quicker than that.

My predictions for stock market falls,stock shortages, companies going under , job losses,Pension fund shortfalls ,house price falls and economies around the world being devastated all based on that assumption of the number of cases

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:22 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:25 pm
In all the gloom, today's stats indicate a drop in the number of cases. It could be a blip of course or because of fewer tests. Let's hope for another drop tomorrow. Keep safe.


BBC News - Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873
Today’s numbers of over 12,000 new cases is the highest I have seen, even when China was at its height. Whilst the uk has a drop, it had doubled two days on the trot outside of the norm of doubling every 4 days, so a drop was to be expected.
It will climb in the next few days.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:27 pm

Genuine question. Can Italy or indeed any country really do 368 autopsies to establish cause of death in a single night? Logistically that must be pretty hard to do I would have thought, but I may be wrong.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:28 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:44 pm
Is it gov strategy not to test health workers? I'd not heard that - and I wasn't suggesting that. I'd make a guess that gov strategy is to leave it to the health specialists to do what they judge is required and for gov to provide all the resources the health specialists need to do this.

I had heard that there was shortage of testing kits in US. A number of the early deaths in US were in Seattle area and I heard that many people there who had visited doctors weren't being tested for coronavirus - that was at least 2 weeks back, maybe 3. I know they've upped their testing capabilities since.

Anyway, possibly more interesting is this article in Washington Post: "Why outbreaks like coronavirus spread exponentially and how to flatten the curve."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... rc=nl_most
Taiwan has stalled the infection by implementing some fairly mild restrictions.
Compulsory mask wearing outside of the house. Out Gov says it does nothin but their experience says otherwise. Temperature checks everywhere and hand sanitizer.

Perhaps we could learn from this?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:30 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:27 pm
Genuine question. Can Italy or indeed any country really do 368 autopsies to establish cause of death in a single night? Logistically that must be pretty hard to do I would have thought, but I may be wrong.
I think it’s a case of they tested positive whilst alive, so it’s given as cause of death.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:32 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:43 pm
It's the UK. I read the BBC article, which had a graph showing a reduction of new cases for today compared to yesterday. I then went back to copy it, but the graph had gone.
What you have said is factually correct.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:39 pm

uptheclarets wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:00 pm
I very rarely post these days but follow a number of topics.

I have found you Jackupclaret and paulatky to have called things just about right from day 1

Lowbank has also been a good source of information,

What has been noticeable is how sentiment has changed very quickly from “its only flu” to this is a serious issue for the whole of humanity.
There’s no satisfaction to be gained from being right, certainly not like this anyhow, my findings & predictions are based purely on hours of research, I started becoming suspicious when the Chinese doctor suddenly died & my interest grew from there, it’s pointless pretending something isn’t serious when it clearly is, people aren’t daft & know what’s what for themselves.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:42 pm

uptheclarets wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:00 pm
I very rarely post these days but follow a number of topics.

I have found you Jackupclaret and paulatky to have called things just about right from day 1

Lowbank has also been a good source of information,

What has been noticeable is how sentiment has changed very quickly from “its only flu” to this is a serious issue for the whole of humanity.
Thank you!

My problem is I sometimes want to shake the tail of the lion. I do it at work.

You know your going to get bitten and it might hurt but at times you need to shake things up.

Reading of data can be subjective and distorted, hence the arguments.

Sometimes for good reason by gov, so as not to spread fear.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:54 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:32 pm
To be fair, has our boy Boris been any better.

We are going to keep everything open ,carry on as normal. Within 48hrs footy cancelled but not by the gov.

We are going for herd immunity. Going to reduce testing.

Due to that decision we will be in lockdown by the end of the week and have no idea who is infected or where it’s more serious and where our resources need to be concentrated.

This morning when the health Sec said the UK would buy as many respirators as could be made, that was him admitting the strategy was in trouble.

I will be asking in the morning when my company is going to come to the aid of the country.
There isn't any need for mass testing. If you have any of the symptoms you should be following the self isolation routine regardless, it doesn't matter if its Coronavirus or a cold, common sense says treat it as if it is. That frees test kits for health workers and the at risk.
If people follow the advice already given there is no need for any lock down, no need for panic buying, no need to close schools no need to cancel football .
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:06 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:30 pm
I think it’s a case of they tested positive whilst alive, so it’s given as cause of death.
But might not be.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:08 pm

With Monday on the horizon, who's started to feel unwell?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:09 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:06 pm
But might not be.
In the same way that flu is rarely the sole cause of death in healthy people, so with this virus.

Are you suggesting there's a material misstatement because of this issue. Have you anything to back this up?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:13 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:08 pm
With Monday on the horizon, who's started to feel unwell?
I always feel ill when I think about going back to work. No change.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Mala591 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:14 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:54 pm
There isn't any need for mass testing. If you have any of the symptoms you should be following the self isolation routine regardless, it doesn't matter if its Coronavirus or a cold, common sense says treat it as if it is. That frees test kits for health workers and the at risk.
If people follow the advice already given there is no need for any lock down, no need for panic buying, no need to close schools no need to cancel football .
A few words of caution. The main symptoms of coronavirus are high temperature, difficulty breathing and persistent cough. None of these are symptoms of a 'mild cold'. If everyone self isolated for mild cold symptoms then the whole economy would collapse within a fortnight.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:16 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:14 pm
A few words of caution. The main symptoms of coronavirus are high temperature, difficulty breathing and persistent cough. None of these are symptoms of a 'mild cold'. If everyone self isolated for mild cold symptoms then the whole economy would collapse within a fortnight.
You've quoted 'mild cold'. Where did that come from?

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/common-cold/

"Cold symptoms come on gradually and can include:

a blocked or runny nose
a sore throat
headaches
muscle aches
coughs
sneezing
a raised temperature
pressure in your ears and face
loss of taste and smell"

Shortness of breath not mentioned. The NHS111 first screening only asks about the other two and (sorry, unsourced) I recall reading that the shortness of breath comes on later.
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