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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:43 pm
What's your primary source?
You know it’s worldometer.

If there is a better source that’s got better data, happy to adjust my thinking.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Rick_Muller » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:10 pm

I’ve just been informed that I am to self isolate for 12 weeks by my boss because I’m on immunosuppressants for my IBD - I’m also the VDI expert so it’s actually something I can do easily anyway - I’ve never felt so important at work as I have the last few days. I’ve been building new Remote Desktop farms for our organisation to use for everyone working from home.

Interestingly though, it appears that Microsoft broke at some point today with everyone getting Teams etc online

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:20 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:10 pm
I’ve just been informed that I am to self isolate for 12 weeks by my boss because I’m on immunosuppressants for my IBD - I’m also the VDI expert so it’s actually something I can do easily anyway - I’ve never felt so important at work as I have the last few days. I’ve been building new Remote Desktop farms for our organisation to use for everyone working from home.

Interestingly though, it appears that Microsoft broke at some point today with everyone getting Teams etc online
Our remote access tripped out at 10:30 with only me apparently working from home from our team.

On our 1pm call, I was told I will not be on the priority list to maintain work access.

They said the product controllers will be priority.

I did point out that as 80% of the planes are grounded no one will need aircraft parts.

But we might need engineers to help make ventilators.

If fell on deaf ears.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:26 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pm
Not sure, that Boris's idea that people should stay away from pubs or clubs will have much effect. I've just spoken to two of my mates who I normally play snooker with on Monday's and Thursday's. Both say they are still going to the club tonight. Both are over 70 and in 'At risk' groups. If they are going, I can't imagine normal, healthy people staying away.
This is what i don't understand about today's advice,if no-one is supposed to visit pubs,clubs and other social places,why aren't they just shutdown,as most other countries have,these activities are not essential,and most pubs especially involve close contact with other members of the public.

Mind you having seen these pricks in Spain behaving like a bunch of idiots,i don't think the message is getting through to people sadly.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-16/bri ... us-cases/

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Inchy » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:31 pm

Pubs will either shut to reduce costs and ride this out or go bust.


Most sensible people will not go to the pub, they will listen to the advise of experts. Even if only 25 percent stay away that’s enough to make most boozers not profitable

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:40 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pm
You know it’s worldometer.

If there is a better source that’s got better data, happy to adjust my thinking.
Primary source. They say their source is BBC but I've not seen any UK government stat given on that. If you're going to accuse people of lying to you, I'm sure you've gone one step further than some unsourced stat on an unofficial website?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:43 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:40 pm
Primary source. They say their source is BBC but I've not seen any UK government stat given on that. If you're going to accuse people of lying to you, I'm sure you've gone one step further than some unsourced stat on an unofficial website?
If your going to call me out, provide a better one.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:45 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:43 pm
If your going to call me out, provide a better one.
So you need me to provide a stat that doesn't exist?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:45 pm

I've seen a few bits today suggesting the government have strongly 'suggested' gatherings should cancel, rather than enforce their cancellation, because a lot of insurance companies will be required to pay out if the government were to mandate closures. This way, it's the businesses that lose out and not the insurance companies.

Surely the government aren't putting almost every small to medium-sized business at risk, and by default every person employed by them, by doing this? Can anyone clear this up?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Woah, steady on lads, we've just shut one bickering loon up, please don't start where he left off. Let's keep this thread, above all, civil.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:47 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:26 pm
This is what i don't understand about today's advice,if no-one is supposed to visit pubs,clubs and other social places,why aren't they just shutdown,as most other countries have,these activities are not essential,and most pubs especially involve close contact with other members of the public.

Mind you having seen these pricks in Spain behaving like a bunch of idiots,i don't think the message is getting through to people sadly.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-16/bri ... us-cases/
It is impossible to claim business interference insurance by making it voluntary even though he has effectively closed them by telling people to stay away.

He needs removing from office as soon as possible.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:54 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:45 pm
I've seen a few bits today suggesting the government have strongly 'suggested' gatherings should cancel, rather than enforce their cancellation, because a lot of insurance companies will be required to pay out if the government were to mandate closures. This way, it's the businesses that lose out and not the insurance companies.

Surely the government aren't putting almost every small to medium-sized business at risk, and by default every person employed by them, by doing this? Can anyone clear this up?
No, you got it right, that's exactly what the government is doing. They can't close because they can't claim insurance and if they stay open they look like callous money-grabbers.

This is from my mate who owns Trinity bar and club in Harrow...

"I absolutely get the public health need for this, but that slippery ****** Johnson has just made it impossible to claim on our business interference insurance by making venue closures 'voluntary', despite effectively closing us by telling people to stay away.

We can't claim on our insurance but look like money grabbing tossers if we stay open. Can't win.

This will put enormous numbers of venues out of business permanently. And it's not just the cultural impact. Those venues employ an enormous amount of people all along the supply chain.

I do wonder if perhaps there are some big Tory Party donors in the insurance industry?!"
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:55 pm

Claret32yrs wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:44 pm
You do realise that's nowhere near correct. Anyway. The military's job is to protect the country. The police's job is not. Not sure who the police protect at all anymore. Army's duty is protect Queen and Country. British Military reserve is around 150,000. They would be not answerable in this crisis to normal police laws. It'd be a massive deterrent. Trust me. Police car outside a Supermarket. Morons would take a rap from a copper. Soldier comes in with an order to shoot to kill (which I think is necessary currently) with an SA80 or a Glock. People won't be naughty! More than enough reserves. If you think military aren't already on the streets observing, you're mistaken. They've been observing for weeks.
"If you think military aren't already on the streets observing, you're mistaken." Oh, and you KNOW this of course, it's not just an assumption? Anyway, when did I even suggest such a thing?

I think your idea of numbers should be taken with a very large pinch of salt. Many of our forces are currently out of theatre fighting another of the USA's pointless wars. Here are Wikipedia figures.

Under the "Future Reserves 2020" (FR20) plan outlined by then Secretary of State for Defence Liam Fox on 18 July 2011, the Ministry of Defence promised to provide more money to train more Army Reservists with the objective of more frequently deploying entire Army Reserve units[citation needed] (much like United States Army Reserve and Army National Guard units). Under the reform plan, the total force will be restructured so that, by 2020, the British Army will have 120,000 soldiers, of which 84,000 will be Regulars and 35,000 Reservists (a ratio of 70/30). The Territorial Army was renamed under that plan, becoming the Army Reserve.[44]

So 150,000 in total including reserves.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:00 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:54 pm
No, you got it right, that's exactly what the government is doing. They can't close because they can't claim insurance and if they stay open they look like callous money-grabbers.

This is from my mate who owns Trinity bar and club in Harrow...

"I absolutely get the public health need for this, but that slippery ****** Johnson has just made it impossible to claim on our business interference insurance by making venue closures 'voluntary', despite effectively closing us by telling people to stay away.

We can't claim on our insurance but look like money grabbing tossers if we stay open. Can't win.

This will put enormous numbers of venues out of business permanently. And it's not just the cultural impact. Those venues employ an enormous amount of people all along the supply chain.

I do wonder if perhaps there are some big Tory Party donors in the insurance industry?!"
It's all going to fall to the government and therefore to all of us anyway. Does anyone think the insurance companies can pay out every bar and theatre and club and venue in the country closing especially with their shares worth so much less. So what should we do - make them liquidate everything (so they get even less for it) then they say they can't cover everything so it all grinds to a halt and no-one gets paid while it takes years to unwind all these companies to see what's left?

That sounds like a plan to make things even worse.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:04 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:47 pm
It is impossible to claim business interference insurance by making it voluntary even though he has effectively closed them by telling people to stay away.

He needs removing from office as soon as possible.
If i was being cynical i'd suggest BJ hasn't ordered public buildings to close,as if he did they would lay staff off,and the said staff would then qualify for sick pay,now there's every chance that staff will be laid off anyway or put on gardening leave without pay,but if they were still technically employed they won't qualify for sick pay,like some of the airline staff who've been placed on unpaid leave.

Boris Johnson can only be removed from office by either his own MP'S,unlikely when he's just secured a large majority,or by the electorate,the latter's not going to happen in the near future.

Let's be honest do you really think Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party could have handled this unprecedented event any better,governments all over the globe whether left,right or centrist are swimming against the tide,and they are trying to somehow balance the well-being of their citizens,along with keeping their economies and societies running as best they can,until this pandemic has been brought under control.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:05 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:00 pm
It's all going to fall to the government and therefore to all of us anyway. Does anyone think the insurance companies can pay out every bar and theatre and club and venue in the country closing especially with their shares worth so much less. So what should we do - make them liquidate everything (so they get even less for it) then they say they can't cover everything so it all grinds to a halt and no-one gets paid while it takes years to unwind all these companies to see what's left?

That sounds like a plan to make things even worse.
Yes, that's why people buy insurance and pay monthly when they rarely claim, so that when something like this happens they are covered.
It's like paying house insurance every month in case your house burns down.
Or are you saying that everybody should stay out of all the pubs and clubs and then the pubs and clubs go bust even though they have insurance for this kind of thing?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:06 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:04 pm

Let's be honest do you really think Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party could have handled this unprecedented event any better
Yes.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:09 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:06 pm
Yes.
Based on what?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:10 pm

Bit of light relief that I'm sure all Burnley fans would welcome.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:13 pm

I look at all these numbers and I think. Wow.
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I should have charged my phone.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:15 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:05 pm
Yes, that's why people buy insurance and pay monthly when they rarely claim, so that when something like this happens they are covered.
It's like paying house insurance every month in case your house burns down.
Or are you saying that everybody should stay out of all the pubs and clubs and then the pubs and clubs go bust even though they have insurance for this kind of thing?
A failure of this size is beyond the capability of the insurance industry to cope with. I've given you my reading of what would happen. Fine. Wreck the insurance sector too.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:16 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:09 pm
Based on what?
By the fact that only the UK, under the leadership of Boris Johnson is doing things this way, pretty much everywhere else has gone into lockdown.

Boris Johnson...

"The principle guiding us is that nobody should be penalised for doing the right thing."

Pub and club owners? Theatres, cafe's and restaurants? All going to be penalised for doing the right thing.

Anyway, remember to all put your money where your mouth is and keep going out and socialising when the lockdown comes.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:19 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:15 pm
A failure of this size is beyond the capability of the insurance industry to cope with. I've given you my reading of what would happen. Fine. Wreck the insurance sector too.
What?

So you shouldn't pay out insurance when you are supposed to in case it wrecks the insurance sector?

Wow, you really are a brainwashed idiot.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:21 pm

All them folk panic buying pasta should be worried looking at the Italian deaths.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:23 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:21 pm
All them folk panic buying pasta should be worried looking at the Italian deaths.
Anybody who eats Pasta will worry Rats .. :D

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:24 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:16 pm
By the fact that only the UK, under the leadership of Boris Johnson is doing things this way, pretty much everywhere else has gone into lockdown.

Boris Johnson...

"The principle guiding us is that nobody should be penalised for doing the right thing."

Pub and club owners? Theatres, cafe's and restaurants? All going to be penalised for doing the right thing.

Anyway, remember to all put your money where your mouth is and keep going out and socialising when the lockdown comes.
If we went out and socialised much this wouldn't be written in response.

What would Corbyn have done differently?

The government are biding their time. Things will be locked down. Italy didn't lock down at this stage.

Only criticism from me is the number of tests carried out.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:27 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:19 pm
What?

So you shouldn't pay out insurance when you are supposed to in case it wrecks the insurance sector?

Wow, you really are a brainwashed idiot.
You should probably go back to thinking about tiny things.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:28 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:24 pm
If we went out and socialised much this wouldn't be written in response.

What would Corbyn have done differently?

The government are biding their time. Things will be locked down. Italy didn't lock down at this stage.

Only criticism from me is the number of tests carried out.
What's the point of testing people if you having got enough people to process the results? And we have nowhere near enough.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:31 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:28 pm
What's the point of testing people if you having got enough people to process the results? And we have nowhere near enough.
We have but they need to be moved by the government into that position.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:33 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:31 pm
We have but they need to be moved by the government into that position.
No, we haven't. That point was made very clearly in today's statement.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:49 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:28 pm
What's the point of testing people if you having got enough people to process the results? And we have nowhere near enough.
The UK isn't the only country not carrying out widespread testing,and even if we could test large numbers of people,what difference would it make,we haven't got the capacity in hospitals to admit everyone who tests positive,so they'd just be told to go home and self-isolate,much as they're being instructed to do now.

Foreign tourists intending to leave the Philippines from international airports in the country’s main Luzon region have been given 72 hours to do so, starting from 16:00 GMT today.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte earlier announced that Luzon, which has an estimated population of more than 50 million people and includes the capital city, Metro Manila, is to be placed under strict “enhanced community quarantine” until 12 April.

The British embassy in Manila says “a small number” of British nationals are affected. On Sunday, Britons were advised against all but essential travel to the Philippines.

The government says the country currently has a total of 142 confirmed Covid-19 cases with 12 deaths.

But Dr Manuel Dayrit, the country’s health secretary during the SARS outbreak of 2003, believes the number is relatively low compared with other countries because not enough preemptive testing has been taking place.

“We are actually limited by the fact we are not doing any testing for COVID-19 in the community,” Dr Dayrit told BBC News.

“We are only testing the patients that show up in the hospitals usually with pneumonia, so we can only speculate how extensive community spread is.”

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by JarrowClaret » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:50 pm

Wow it’s mad how different people see things. I have no political allegiances I can’t really understand anyone that does have if I’m honest. In my opinion we should vote for the party and PM that will benefit the Country most, at the moment there is no alternative to conservative the Labour Party is a disaster zone. Anyway I have been personally quite impressed by BJ over the last week or so it is the first time since I saw him in have I got news for you that he has. I think they have got it about right if you don’t search for my links I posted on this thread yesterday. I suspect that everything will be closed officially by the Weekend anyway next change is expected on Thursday I’m sure he said. Normal life should continue as much as possible but come on anyone going to the pub at a time like this is either totally selfish, stupid or a mix of both plenty of time for that in 14/15 Weeks.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by corporal jones » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:52 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:16 pm
By the fact that only the UK, under the leadership of Boris Johnson is doing things this way, pretty much everywhere else has gone into lockdown.

Boris Johnson...

"The principle guiding us is that nobody should be penalised for doing the right thing."

Pub and club owners? Theatres, cafe's and restaurants? All going to be penalised for doing the right thing.

Anyway, remember to all put your money where your mouth is and keep going out and socialising when the lockdown comes.
You really think he is thinking all this up on his own? Have you not listened to the experts standing next to him espousing the same views? ALL businesses of any size are going to suffer and that is going to have a catastrophic affect on the country finances taking us right back to 2008 once again. The govt is recommending that we don't gather in groups so as not to speed up the rise in cases. That means all groups-pubs and clubs are just an example of the places a group may gather.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:59 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:49 pm
The UK isn't the only country not carrying out widespread testing,and even if we could test large numbers of people,what difference would it make,we haven't got the capacity in hospitals to admit everyone who tests positive,so they'd just be told to go home and self-isolate,much as they're being instructed to do now.

Foreign tourists intending to leave the Philippines from international airports in the country’s main Luzon region have been given 72 hours to do so, starting from 16:00 GMT today.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte earlier announced that Luzon, which has an estimated population of more than 50 million people and includes the capital city, Metro Manila, is to be placed under strict “enhanced community quarantine” until 12 April.

The British embassy in Manila says “a small number” of British nationals are affected. On Sunday, Britons were advised against all but essential travel to the Philippines.

The government says the country currently has a total of 142 confirmed Covid-19 cases with 12 deaths.

But Dr Manuel Dayrit, the country’s health secretary during the SARS outbreak of 2003, believes the number is relatively low compared with other countries because not enough preemptive testing has been taking place.

“We are actually limited by the fact we are not doing any testing for COVID-19 in the community,” Dr Dayrit told BBC News.

“We are only testing the patients that show up in the hospitals usually with pneumonia, so we can only speculate how extensive community spread is.”
And what has all that got to do with the fact that we don't have enough people to check the tests of everyone who is suspected of having the virus?

Just asking. No axe to grind.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:03 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:05 pm
Yes, that's why people buy insurance and pay monthly when they rarely claim, so that when something like this happens they are covered.
It's like paying house insurance every month in case your house burns down.
Or are you saying that everybody should stay out of all the pubs and clubs and then the pubs and clubs go bust even though they have insurance for this kind of thing?
Don't pubs and clubs go bust all the time? What's different now?

I like the idea that we are all treated as adults - and not "told what to do" but given the advice on what's best to do.

And, it's not just "pubs and clubs" it's just about everything that will experience a fall in demand, except health services and loo roll manufacturers.

While all this need to find fault?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Elizabeth » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:05 pm

You could skip most of the posts on this thread in recent days and be no less wiser
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:10 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:05 pm
You could skip most of the posts on this thread in recent days and be no less wiser
You're spot on, especially as we will all be getting daily briefings about the current state of play, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Yes, I'm sure they may lie to us at some point, (Probably already have.) but there's nothing we can do about it except follow the advice of the professionals.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:21 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:59 pm
And what has all that got to do with the fact that we don't have enough people to check the tests of everyone who is suspected of having the virus?

Just asking. No axe to grind.
While if we don't have enough people to check the tests,then rightly or wrongly that lies at the feet of the government ultimately,but in those circumstances the most vulnerable have to be prioritised,as they are the section of society most at risk.

We aren't the only country that's struggling for test kits,even the USA is having major problems,and they've actually tested less than the UK.

One project by The Atlantic estimates that 41,550 people in the US have been tested. But that's still fewer than many other countries with smaller populations - including South Korea, which has tested 240,000, and the UK, which has tested 44,100.

Ideally we'd be following South Korea's lead,and testing the maximum amount of the populace as possible,but unless they were considered an at risk case they wouldn't be hospitalised anyway surely,so given the lack of resources it makes sense to focus on the elderly and people with underlying health conditions.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Inchy » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:23 pm

I am a labour voter, I don’t like Boris.

However, Boris takes no blame for any of this. He is doing as he is told by the government experts.

In times like this, no matter how much you dislike our leader, we must pull together. Boris has been admirable during his press conferences. It pains me to say this as I believe him to be a joker, a clown, but Boris has come across as stately during his conferences. He’s been honest and sincere. I believe Corbyn would have faffed about. I’m no Tory but sometimes you need a heartless ******* when he country faces a war like this.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:27 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:21 pm
While if we don't have enough people to check the tests,then rightly or wrongly that lies at the feet of the government ultimately,but in those circumstances the most vulnerable have to be prioritised,as they are the section of society most at risk.

We aren't the only country that's struggling for test kits,even the USA is having major problems,and they've actually tested less than the UK.

One project by The Atlantic estimates that 41,550 people in the US have been tested. But that's still fewer than many other countries with smaller populations - including South Korea, which has tested 240,000, and the UK, which has tested 44,100.

Ideally we'd be following South Korea's lead,and testing the maximum amount of the populace as possible,but unless they were considered an at risk case they wouldn't be hospitalised anyway surely,so given the lack of resources it makes sense to focus on the elderly and people with underlying health conditions.
Well, perhaps if the Tories hadn't sytamatically run down the NHS over the last ten years, we'd be able to test a lot more.

As it is, the NHS is lacking beds, equipment, and most of all staff. Boris has to hide the Tory failings somehow.

"Safe in our hands." Don't make me laugh.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tim_noone » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:34 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:27 pm
Well, perhaps if the Tories hadn't sytamatically run down the NHS over the last ten years, we'd be able to test a lot more.

As it is, the NHS is lacking beds, equipment, and most of all staff. Boris has to hide the Tory failings somehow.

"Safe in our hands." Don't make me laugh.
You've changed your tune......your posts are laugh able...
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:36 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:34 pm
You've changed your tune......your posts are laugh able...
Oh? In what way? More so than yours?

Edit: C'mon, you've made a statement. Back it up.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tim_noone » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:44 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:36 pm
Oh? In what way? More so than yours?
No problem with gatherings...you. I'd rather believe the health minister...you. The Goverment and Boris have got it right.make your mind up! Your a scaremonger of the highest order. I'll Log off again now. Your a disgrace tbh.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:45 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:27 pm
Well, perhaps if the Tories hadn't sytamatically run down the NHS over the last ten years, we'd be able to test a lot more.

As it is, the NHS is lacking beds, equipment, and most of all staff. Boris has to hide the Tory failings somehow.

"Safe in our hands." Don't make me laugh.
I don't disagree with some of those criticisms,that's why i stated any shortages lie at the government's door,now is Boris to blame for the pandemic no he isn't,but events such as this clearly show the NHS is going to be stretched to it's limits and possibly beyond,don't forget it won't just be coronavirus patients that'll suffer,many non urgent operations will be cancelled as this outbreak bites,and the impact of that could last for years even when the initial virus is hopefully contained.

This will help,now it's up to the Tories to encourage more doctors and other staff to return to the NHS,or fast-track graduates through the system.

Some British doctors working overseas are returning to the UK to help treat patients in the coronavirus outbreak, one doctor has told BBC News.

Red Elmahdi, who completed her medical training in the UK before specialising in epidemiology research, has flown back from the lab where she was working in Denmark.

"There’s little point my sitting around in lockdown doing research from home in Denmark when I’m seeing the mounting strain on the NHS," she explains.

However Dr Elmahdi says there has been no central co-ordination and she is relying on her locum agency to be placed in hospital.

One positive outcome of this pandemic is that future governments might start valuing our health service.and the people who work in it much more,but maybe i'm dreaming with that thought.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:49 pm

Yes, I said there was no problem with large crowds, but I also said. "That may change." Repeating what the goverment said. It was sport that changed that, not the government, until today.

I still believe what the government says. I've no reason to believe otherwise. They may have lied to us, but can YOU tell me when?

Scaremongerer? No, I'm trying to stay calm. It's you and your ilk that are trying to frighten people with your Doomsday stuff.

Grow up.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:55 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:45 pm
I don't disagree with some of those criticisms,that's why i stated any shortages lie at the government's door,now is Boris to blame for the pandemic no he isn't,but events such as this clearly show the NHS is going to be stretched to it's limits and possibly beyond,don't forget it won't just be coronavirus patients that'll suffer,many non urgent operations will be cancelled as this outbreak bites,and the impact of that could last for years even when the initial virus is hopefully contained.

This will help,now it's up to the Tories to encourage more doctors and other staff to return to the NHS,or fast-track graduates through the system.

Some British doctors working overseas are returning to the UK to help treat patients in the coronavirus outbreak, one doctor has told BBC News.

Red Elmahdi, who completed her medical training in the UK before specialising in epidemiology research, has flown back from the lab where she was working in Denmark.

"There’s little point my sitting around in lockdown doing research from home in Denmark when I’m seeing the mounting strain on the NHS," she explains.

However Dr Elmahdi says there has been no central co-ordination and she is relying on her locum agency to be placed in hospital.

One positive outcome of this pandemic is that future governments might start valuing our health service.and the people who work in it much more,but maybe i'm dreaming with that thought.
Much as I loathe Boris Johnson, he hasn't been in power long enough to be solely blamed for the sorry state of the NHS. That's been going on every year under every Tory government for as long as I can remember, and that's a long time. Bit by bit, they have systematically ruined it. The next move will be to sell it off by more stealth. Not just yet, though, this virus might slow it down by a few years.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tim_noone » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:57 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:49 pm
Yes, I said there was no problem with large crowds, but I also said. "That may change." Repeating what the goverment said. It was sport that changed that, not the government, until today.

I still believe what the government says. I've no reason to believe otherwise. They may have lied to us, but can YOU tell me when?

Scaremongerer? No, I'm trying to stay calm. It's you and your ilk that are trying to frighten people with your Doomsday stuff.

Grow up.
Source??I haven't predicted any doomsday scenarios.. stop moving the goalposts to suit your agenda and Backtracking.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:02 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:57 pm
Source??I haven't predicted any doomsday scenarios.. stop moving the goalposts to suit your agenda and Backtracking.
Oh, so you haven't been able to find fault with the rest of what I said then? So your original post was wrong.

You have constantly overplayed this virus and put forwars lots of unsubstantiated claims but if you think I'm trawling through every post on about 70 pages to try and quote you, you will have a long wait.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:18 pm
A odd game of snooker shouldn’t present a problem usually in WMC the tables are set back, I’d just keep safe distance at the bar when ordering.
How's that consistent with "Avoid... gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs"?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:30 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:18 pm
A odd game of snooker shouldn’t present a problem usually in WMC the tables are set back, I’d just keep safe distance at the bar when ordering.
Thanks but I'd rather not take the chance with my health condition. :) To be honest, I'm hoping against hope that herd immunity works. It should do. Even Italy seems to be peaking if reports from there tonight are correct. It certainly seems to be slowing anyway.

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