You know it’s worldometer.
If there is a better source that’s got better data, happy to adjust my thinking.
You know it’s worldometer.
Our remote access tripped out at 10:30 with only me apparently working from home from our team.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:10 pmI’ve just been informed that I am to self isolate for 12 weeks by my boss because I’m on immunosuppressants for my IBD - I’m also the VDI expert so it’s actually something I can do easily anyway - I’ve never felt so important at work as I have the last few days. I’ve been building new Remote Desktop farms for our organisation to use for everyone working from home.
Interestingly though, it appears that Microsoft broke at some point today with everyone getting Teams etc online
This is what i don't understand about today's advice,if no-one is supposed to visit pubs,clubs and other social places,why aren't they just shutdown,as most other countries have,these activities are not essential,and most pubs especially involve close contact with other members of the public.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pmNot sure, that Boris's idea that people should stay away from pubs or clubs will have much effect. I've just spoken to two of my mates who I normally play snooker with on Monday's and Thursday's. Both say they are still going to the club tonight. Both are over 70 and in 'At risk' groups. If they are going, I can't imagine normal, healthy people staying away.
Primary source. They say their source is BBC but I've not seen any UK government stat given on that. If you're going to accuse people of lying to you, I'm sure you've gone one step further than some unsourced stat on an unofficial website?Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 pmYou know it’s worldometer.
If there is a better source that’s got better data, happy to adjust my thinking.
If your going to call me out, provide a better one.thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:40 pmPrimary source. They say their source is BBC but I've not seen any UK government stat given on that. If you're going to accuse people of lying to you, I'm sure you've gone one step further than some unsourced stat on an unofficial website?
So you need me to provide a stat that doesn't exist?
It is impossible to claim business interference insurance by making it voluntary even though he has effectively closed them by telling people to stay away.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:26 pmThis is what i don't understand about today's advice,if no-one is supposed to visit pubs,clubs and other social places,why aren't they just shutdown,as most other countries have,these activities are not essential,and most pubs especially involve close contact with other members of the public.
Mind you having seen these pricks in Spain behaving like a bunch of idiots,i don't think the message is getting through to people sadly.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-16/bri ... us-cases/
No, you got it right, that's exactly what the government is doing. They can't close because they can't claim insurance and if they stay open they look like callous money-grabbers.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:45 pmI've seen a few bits today suggesting the government have strongly 'suggested' gatherings should cancel, rather than enforce their cancellation, because a lot of insurance companies will be required to pay out if the government were to mandate closures. This way, it's the businesses that lose out and not the insurance companies.
Surely the government aren't putting almost every small to medium-sized business at risk, and by default every person employed by them, by doing this? Can anyone clear this up?
"If you think military aren't already on the streets observing, you're mistaken." Oh, and you KNOW this of course, it's not just an assumption? Anyway, when did I even suggest such a thing?Claret32yrs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:44 pmYou do realise that's nowhere near correct. Anyway. The military's job is to protect the country. The police's job is not. Not sure who the police protect at all anymore. Army's duty is protect Queen and Country. British Military reserve is around 150,000. They would be not answerable in this crisis to normal police laws. It'd be a massive deterrent. Trust me. Police car outside a Supermarket. Morons would take a rap from a copper. Soldier comes in with an order to shoot to kill (which I think is necessary currently) with an SA80 or a Glock. People won't be naughty! More than enough reserves. If you think military aren't already on the streets observing, you're mistaken. They've been observing for weeks.
It's all going to fall to the government and therefore to all of us anyway. Does anyone think the insurance companies can pay out every bar and theatre and club and venue in the country closing especially with their shares worth so much less. So what should we do - make them liquidate everything (so they get even less for it) then they say they can't cover everything so it all grinds to a halt and no-one gets paid while it takes years to unwind all these companies to see what's left?Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:54 pmNo, you got it right, that's exactly what the government is doing. They can't close because they can't claim insurance and if they stay open they look like callous money-grabbers.
This is from my mate who owns Trinity bar and club in Harrow...
"I absolutely get the public health need for this, but that slippery ****** Johnson has just made it impossible to claim on our business interference insurance by making venue closures 'voluntary', despite effectively closing us by telling people to stay away.
We can't claim on our insurance but look like money grabbing tossers if we stay open. Can't win.
This will put enormous numbers of venues out of business permanently. And it's not just the cultural impact. Those venues employ an enormous amount of people all along the supply chain.
I do wonder if perhaps there are some big Tory Party donors in the insurance industry?!"
If i was being cynical i'd suggest BJ hasn't ordered public buildings to close,as if he did they would lay staff off,and the said staff would then qualify for sick pay,now there's every chance that staff will be laid off anyway or put on gardening leave without pay,but if they were still technically employed they won't qualify for sick pay,like some of the airline staff who've been placed on unpaid leave.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:47 pmIt is impossible to claim business interference insurance by making it voluntary even though he has effectively closed them by telling people to stay away.
He needs removing from office as soon as possible.
Yes, that's why people buy insurance and pay monthly when they rarely claim, so that when something like this happens they are covered.thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:00 pmIt's all going to fall to the government and therefore to all of us anyway. Does anyone think the insurance companies can pay out every bar and theatre and club and venue in the country closing especially with their shares worth so much less. So what should we do - make them liquidate everything (so they get even less for it) then they say they can't cover everything so it all grinds to a halt and no-one gets paid while it takes years to unwind all these companies to see what's left?
That sounds like a plan to make things even worse.
Based on what?
A failure of this size is beyond the capability of the insurance industry to cope with. I've given you my reading of what would happen. Fine. Wreck the insurance sector too.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:05 pmYes, that's why people buy insurance and pay monthly when they rarely claim, so that when something like this happens they are covered.
It's like paying house insurance every month in case your house burns down.
Or are you saying that everybody should stay out of all the pubs and clubs and then the pubs and clubs go bust even though they have insurance for this kind of thing?
By the fact that only the UK, under the leadership of Boris Johnson is doing things this way, pretty much everywhere else has gone into lockdown.
What?thatdberight wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:15 pmA failure of this size is beyond the capability of the insurance industry to cope with. I've given you my reading of what would happen. Fine. Wreck the insurance sector too.
Anybody who eats Pasta will worry Rats ..Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:21 pmAll them folk panic buying pasta should be worried looking at the Italian deaths.
If we went out and socialised much this wouldn't be written in response.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:16 pmBy the fact that only the UK, under the leadership of Boris Johnson is doing things this way, pretty much everywhere else has gone into lockdown.
Boris Johnson...
"The principle guiding us is that nobody should be penalised for doing the right thing."
Pub and club owners? Theatres, cafe's and restaurants? All going to be penalised for doing the right thing.
Anyway, remember to all put your money where your mouth is and keep going out and socialising when the lockdown comes.
You should probably go back to thinking about tiny things.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:19 pmWhat?
So you shouldn't pay out insurance when you are supposed to in case it wrecks the insurance sector?
Wow, you really are a brainwashed idiot.
What's the point of testing people if you having got enough people to process the results? And we have nowhere near enough.Bfcboyo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:24 pmIf we went out and socialised much this wouldn't be written in response.
What would Corbyn have done differently?
The government are biding their time. Things will be locked down. Italy didn't lock down at this stage.
Only criticism from me is the number of tests carried out.
We have but they need to be moved by the government into that position.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:28 pmWhat's the point of testing people if you having got enough people to process the results? And we have nowhere near enough.
The UK isn't the only country not carrying out widespread testing,and even if we could test large numbers of people,what difference would it make,we haven't got the capacity in hospitals to admit everyone who tests positive,so they'd just be told to go home and self-isolate,much as they're being instructed to do now.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:28 pmWhat's the point of testing people if you having got enough people to process the results? And we have nowhere near enough.
You really think he is thinking all this up on his own? Have you not listened to the experts standing next to him espousing the same views? ALL businesses of any size are going to suffer and that is going to have a catastrophic affect on the country finances taking us right back to 2008 once again. The govt is recommending that we don't gather in groups so as not to speed up the rise in cases. That means all groups-pubs and clubs are just an example of the places a group may gather.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:16 pmBy the fact that only the UK, under the leadership of Boris Johnson is doing things this way, pretty much everywhere else has gone into lockdown.
Boris Johnson...
"The principle guiding us is that nobody should be penalised for doing the right thing."
Pub and club owners? Theatres, cafe's and restaurants? All going to be penalised for doing the right thing.
Anyway, remember to all put your money where your mouth is and keep going out and socialising when the lockdown comes.
And what has all that got to do with the fact that we don't have enough people to check the tests of everyone who is suspected of having the virus?tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:49 pmThe UK isn't the only country not carrying out widespread testing,and even if we could test large numbers of people,what difference would it make,we haven't got the capacity in hospitals to admit everyone who tests positive,so they'd just be told to go home and self-isolate,much as they're being instructed to do now.
Foreign tourists intending to leave the Philippines from international airports in the country’s main Luzon region have been given 72 hours to do so, starting from 16:00 GMT today.
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte earlier announced that Luzon, which has an estimated population of more than 50 million people and includes the capital city, Metro Manila, is to be placed under strict “enhanced community quarantine” until 12 April.
The British embassy in Manila says “a small number” of British nationals are affected. On Sunday, Britons were advised against all but essential travel to the Philippines.
The government says the country currently has a total of 142 confirmed Covid-19 cases with 12 deaths.
But Dr Manuel Dayrit, the country’s health secretary during the SARS outbreak of 2003, believes the number is relatively low compared with other countries because not enough preemptive testing has been taking place.
“We are actually limited by the fact we are not doing any testing for COVID-19 in the community,” Dr Dayrit told BBC News.
“We are only testing the patients that show up in the hospitals usually with pneumonia, so we can only speculate how extensive community spread is.”
Don't pubs and clubs go bust all the time? What's different now?Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:05 pmYes, that's why people buy insurance and pay monthly when they rarely claim, so that when something like this happens they are covered.
It's like paying house insurance every month in case your house burns down.
Or are you saying that everybody should stay out of all the pubs and clubs and then the pubs and clubs go bust even though they have insurance for this kind of thing?
You're spot on, especially as we will all be getting daily briefings about the current state of play, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.
While if we don't have enough people to check the tests,then rightly or wrongly that lies at the feet of the government ultimately,but in those circumstances the most vulnerable have to be prioritised,as they are the section of society most at risk.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:59 pmAnd what has all that got to do with the fact that we don't have enough people to check the tests of everyone who is suspected of having the virus?
Just asking. No axe to grind.
Well, perhaps if the Tories hadn't sytamatically run down the NHS over the last ten years, we'd be able to test a lot more.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:21 pmWhile if we don't have enough people to check the tests,then rightly or wrongly that lies at the feet of the government ultimately,but in those circumstances the most vulnerable have to be prioritised,as they are the section of society most at risk.
We aren't the only country that's struggling for test kits,even the USA is having major problems,and they've actually tested less than the UK.
One project by The Atlantic estimates that 41,550 people in the US have been tested. But that's still fewer than many other countries with smaller populations - including South Korea, which has tested 240,000, and the UK, which has tested 44,100.
Ideally we'd be following South Korea's lead,and testing the maximum amount of the populace as possible,but unless they were considered an at risk case they wouldn't be hospitalised anyway surely,so given the lack of resources it makes sense to focus on the elderly and people with underlying health conditions.
You've changed your tune......your posts are laugh able...Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:27 pmWell, perhaps if the Tories hadn't sytamatically run down the NHS over the last ten years, we'd be able to test a lot more.
As it is, the NHS is lacking beds, equipment, and most of all staff. Boris has to hide the Tory failings somehow.
"Safe in our hands." Don't make me laugh.
No problem with gatherings...you. I'd rather believe the health minister...you. The Goverment and Boris have got it right.make your mind up! Your a scaremonger of the highest order. I'll Log off again now. Your a disgrace tbh.
I don't disagree with some of those criticisms,that's why i stated any shortages lie at the government's door,now is Boris to blame for the pandemic no he isn't,but events such as this clearly show the NHS is going to be stretched to it's limits and possibly beyond,don't forget it won't just be coronavirus patients that'll suffer,many non urgent operations will be cancelled as this outbreak bites,and the impact of that could last for years even when the initial virus is hopefully contained.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:27 pmWell, perhaps if the Tories hadn't sytamatically run down the NHS over the last ten years, we'd be able to test a lot more.
As it is, the NHS is lacking beds, equipment, and most of all staff. Boris has to hide the Tory failings somehow.
"Safe in our hands." Don't make me laugh.
Much as I loathe Boris Johnson, he hasn't been in power long enough to be solely blamed for the sorry state of the NHS. That's been going on every year under every Tory government for as long as I can remember, and that's a long time. Bit by bit, they have systematically ruined it. The next move will be to sell it off by more stealth. Not just yet, though, this virus might slow it down by a few years.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:45 pmI don't disagree with some of those criticisms,that's why i stated any shortages lie at the government's door,now is Boris to blame for the pandemic no he isn't,but events such as this clearly show the NHS is going to be stretched to it's limits and possibly beyond,don't forget it won't just be coronavirus patients that'll suffer,many non urgent operations will be cancelled as this outbreak bites,and the impact of that could last for years even when the initial virus is hopefully contained.
This will help,now it's up to the Tories to encourage more doctors and other staff to return to the NHS,or fast-track graduates through the system.
Some British doctors working overseas are returning to the UK to help treat patients in the coronavirus outbreak, one doctor has told BBC News.
Red Elmahdi, who completed her medical training in the UK before specialising in epidemiology research, has flown back from the lab where she was working in Denmark.
"There’s little point my sitting around in lockdown doing research from home in Denmark when I’m seeing the mounting strain on the NHS," she explains.
However Dr Elmahdi says there has been no central co-ordination and she is relying on her locum agency to be placed in hospital.
One positive outcome of this pandemic is that future governments might start valuing our health service.and the people who work in it much more,but maybe i'm dreaming with that thought.
Source??I haven't predicted any doomsday scenarios.. stop moving the goalposts to suit your agenda and Backtracking.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:49 pmYes, I said there was no problem with large crowds, but I also said. "That may change." Repeating what the goverment said. It was sport that changed that, not the government, until today.
I still believe what the government says. I've no reason to believe otherwise. They may have lied to us, but can YOU tell me when?
Scaremongerer? No, I'm trying to stay calm. It's you and your ilk that are trying to frighten people with your Doomsday stuff.
Grow up.
Oh, so you haven't been able to find fault with the rest of what I said then? So your original post was wrong.
How's that consistent with "Avoid... gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs"?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:18 pmA odd game of snooker shouldn’t present a problem usually in WMC the tables are set back, I’d just keep safe distance at the bar when ordering.
Thanks but I'd rather not take the chance with my health condition. To be honest, I'm hoping against hope that herd immunity works. It should do. Even Italy seems to be peaking if reports from there tonight are correct. It certainly seems to be slowing anyway.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:18 pmA odd game of snooker shouldn’t present a problem usually in WMC the tables are set back, I’d just keep safe distance at the bar when ordering.