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How will the world change?

Post by clarethomer » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 am

Simple question really - when we get back to a version of normality- what do you expect to have changed because of covid-19?

- more home working?

- less travel?

- football being shown on tv more?

- better appreciation of our environment?

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:20 am

Hopefully people will begin to appreciate the small things in life a bit more. Related to that I'm hoping air travel will become a bit more expensive and flying abroad goes back to being something people do once a year, rather than going on holiday 3 or 4 times a year.
Being able to fly to Europe for 30 quid is handy, but its destroying the planet, and I'm just as guilty of it.
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Re: How will the world change?

Post by Holmeclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:23 am

Better appreciation of other human beings generally, I would hope and a simpler future motivated a little less by greed and total self interest.
A very deep world recession will also have a big impact on life in the future.
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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:35 am

Lots of companies will realise that their employees are perfectly capable of working from home, reducing the need for clogging up roads/public transport, particularly in the big cities.
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Re: How will the world change?

Post by taio » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:42 am

Home working and an explosion in video conferencing will happen in some sectors. The other obvious change will be accelerating the use of digital in health and care.
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Post by clarethomer » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:54 am

The holidays and travel one is interesting as It seems that there has been more and more issues in this area for the last few years, whether it’s ash clouds, strikes, operators going bust.

I wonder if visa/border controls will impact in the short term? Will you need to start supplying fit to travel certificates for example?

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Post by clarethomer » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:59 am

The home working one is interesting too as it may become more acceptable.

I have certainly seen the use of digital technology and video conferencing move forward by about 2-3 years in terms of use in our company.

Using tools which allow you to work better together and collaborate so you don’t need an office. Could we fin opportunity in existing office buildings being converted into residential space in the future?

Could that change our housing problem without having to build more buildings?

I find the whole thing fascinating

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by MrTopTier » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:16 pm

Nothing will change.

This is a massive wake up call to the planet, but the reality is that in say five to ten years time this will have sorted itself out and the world will have moved on.

People might want to believe in all the potential good that will come out of it, it’s all ********, nothing will change.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:37 pm

Got to agree with MrTT. The world will still be full of selfish people, probably even more so as the financial impact of this hits people.

I think this could also kill off the high street. Many smaller shops won't survive and a lot of peopl who didn't previoisly will now be online shopping and may change their habits for good.

Pubs and restaurants will boom as soon as they are allowed to reopen.

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Post by taio » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:39 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:16 pm
Nothing will change.

This is a massive wake up call to the planet, but the reality is that in say five to ten years time this will have sorted itself out and the world will have moved on.

People might want to believe in all the potential good that will come out of it, it’s all ********, nothing will change.
A big increase in home working and less face to face meetings will certainly happen. As will moving much faster on digital health.

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Post by clarethomer » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:42 pm

Clearly that is one end of the spectrum but I very doubt nothing will change as change takes place regardless of this.

The fact that you have said it will take 5 - 10 years for it to sort itself out probably makes it unlikely this will remain the same. You cant allow that period of time to go without change being required?

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:44 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:16 pm
Nothing will change.

This is a massive wake up call to the planet, but the reality is that in say five to ten years time this will have sorted itself out and the world will have moved on.

People might want to believe in all the potential good that will come out of it, it’s all ********, nothing will change.
I agree. At the time you think you'll learn so much from this, and some of us will - most won't.
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Re: How will the world change?

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:56 pm

The poor and middle classes will be taxed more while services for them will be cut back further to make back the cost while large business & the super rich pays nothing.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by bfcjg » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:07 pm

I'm optimistic that organisations like the UN will have some real clout and the powers that be realise that we all want peace and let daft old farts like Trump, Putin and the Chinese leader know that we have so much in common with each other the masses don't want political rhetoric and point scoring we just want a better equal safer world.

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Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:13 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:07 pm
..we just want a better equal safer world.
I look forward to the reaction when the average European is told exactly what an equal world would look like. Most people mean, "I want to be more equal with other very rich Westerners." That's not what equal means.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:21 pm

I’m not optimistic about large changes.

Maybe we have got to know our neighbours a little better....starting with the NHS clapping and then having a common thing to talk about, followed by the BBQ parties that we are all missing.

Billions of people all knowing their neighbours would actually be quite a large thing.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by bfcjg » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:23 pm

I want the poor sods in Tehran to have the same health care as us currently denied them by corrupt leaders and punishing embargoes, things that can easily be achieved.
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Post by CoolClaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:28 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:07 pm
I'm optimistic that organisations like the UN will have some real clout and the powers that be realise that we all want peace and let daft old farts like Trump, Putin and the Chinese leader know that we have so much in common with each other the masses don't want political rhetoric and point scoring we just want a better equal safer world.
It's easy to bash Trump & Putin and especially anything America in general...

Could you imagine if they weren't at the top of the totem pole? Imagine if China had complete dominion, now that would be a scary world...

Unfortunately someone has got to be #1, it's just how systems and dominance hierarchies come to fruition, like it or not that's the truth.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:38 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:07 pm
I'm optimistic that organisations like the UN will have some real clout and the powers that be realise that we all want peace and let daft old farts like Trump, Putin and the Chinese leader know that we have so much in common with each other the masses don't want political rhetoric and point scoring we just want a better equal safer world.
Nice ideals ,but the world isn’t run in university debating clubs ( old people = bad ,boo hiss) it’s run as hard commercial enterprise , always has done ,always will. We live in a world safer than at anytime in history , in a time of ironically bizzare Ego driven world leaders

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:01 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:56 pm
The poor and middle classes will be taxed more while services for them will be cut back further to make back the cost while large business & the super rich pays nothing.
When this is over we need to slash taxes and rip up the rule books to encourage enterprise and investment.

We need to encourage eutrapeneres not weigh them down with taxes and rules.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by LS7 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:12 pm

There will be larger role of the state in the economy for sure.

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Post by conyoviejo » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:14 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:01 pm
When this is over we need to slash taxes and rip up the rule books to encourage enterprise and investment.

We need to encourage eutrapeneres not weigh them down with taxes and rules.
Sorry,No Phookin chance with this lot in power,it will be higher taxes ,no investment and back to ripping up the NHS.. :(

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Post by AndrewJB » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:24 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:38 pm
Nice ideals ,but the world isn’t run in university debating clubs ( old people = bad ,boo hiss) it’s run as hard commercial enterprise , always has done ,always will. We live in a world safer than at anytime in history , in a time of ironically bizzare Ego driven world leaders
Safer than at any time in history, if you don’t consider climate catastrophe.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:26 pm

conyoviejo wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:14 pm
Sorry,No Phookin chance with this lot in power,it will be higher taxes ,no investment and back to ripping up the NHS.. :(
That's what a socialist government would do as they believe in high taxes and state control.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:45 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:26 pm
That's what a socialist government would do as they believe in high taxes and state control.
Just goes to prove that they are both as bad as each other.. Just my opinion,but what I know about politics you could write it down on the back of a stamp.. :lol:

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by mealdeal » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:05 pm

In the short to medium term, we're ******. By that I mean 5 to 10 years of extreme economic hardship, probably millions of people in the UK without employment.

The cosy life we had before this is postponed, don't worry about paying higher taxes that's the least of the problems, you won't have a job and the government won't be in a position to prop up the welfare state. I hope I'm wrong and I hope its all worth it because I suspect it won't be.
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Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:07 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:23 pm
I want the poor sods in Tehran to have the same health care as us currently denied them by corrupt leaders and punishing embargoes, things that can easily be achieved.
Definitely easy to overthrow the Iranian regime. Nip over after tea and do it. Let us know how you get on.

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Post by CombatClaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:13 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:01 pm
When this is over we need to slash taxes and rip up the rule books to encourage enterprise and investment.

We need to encourage eutrapeneres not weigh them down with taxes and rules.
Also I'm not focusing on the entrepreneurs, it's the handful of private individuals who have more money than they could spend in several lifetimes.
Then the Amazon's and Starbucks's who make billions in profit in this country without putting anything back in.

Putting even less into the system does not sound like a good way to ensure this never happens again.

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Post by karatekid » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:19 pm

Maybe people on minimum wage who have kept this country running will get the respect they deserve and a handsome pay rise.
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Post by Stayingup » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:51 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:20 am
Hopefully people will begin to appreciate the small things in life a bit more. Related to that I'm hoping air travel will become a bit more expensive and flying abroad goes back to being something people do once a year, rather than going on holiday 3 or 4 times a year.
Being able to fly to Europe for 30 quid is handy, but its destroying the planet, and I'm just as guilty of it.
So you think its a good idea to swell the coffers of airlines do you?

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:55 pm

conyoviejo wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:14 pm
Sorry,No Phookin chance with this lot in power,it will be higher taxes ,no investment and back to ripping up the NHS.. :(
Back to ripping up tge NHS? The mangement of the NHS needs a comolete overhaul if thats what you mean. The pen pushers not the doers of course.
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Post by Stayingup » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:57 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:37 pm
Got to agree with MrTT. The world will still be full of selfish people, probably even more so as the financial impact of this hits people.

I think this could also kill off the high street. Many smaller shops won't survive and a lot of peopl who didn't previoisly will now be online shopping and may change their habits for good.

Pubs and restaurants will boom as soon as they are allowed to reopen.
Thats if the pubs and restaurants do all open again. Already I know of one pub thats boarded up.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:59 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:57 pm
Thats if the pubs and restaurants do all open again. Already I know of one pub thats boarded up.
That will happen unfortunately but when we're allowed to people will be out on large numbers, larger than before this crisis. How long it lasts though is another matter.

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:44 pm

The streets are being cleared of rough sleepers
Hopefully these sad people can be found somewhere suitable on a permanent basis from now.

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Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:47 pm

conyoviejo wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:45 pm
Just goes to prove that they are both as bad as each other.. Just my opinion,but what I know about politics you could write it down on the back of a stamp.. :lol:
No one would have ever guessed 🙄

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Post by Greenmile » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:32 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:38 pm
Nice ideals ,but the world isn’t run in university debating clubs ( old people = bad ,boo hiss) it’s run as hard commercial enterprise , always has done ,always will. We live in a world safer than at anytime in history , in a time of ironically bizzare Ego driven world leaders
You might have missed it, but there’s a bit of a bug going ‘round which some folk are saying might be quite dangerous, actually.

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Re: How will the world change?

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:44 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:47 pm
No one would have ever guessed 🙄
Phook me Hapag,I thought you had passed away.. : :o

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Post by basil6345789 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:11 am

China will achieve the objective to dominate.
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Post by thatdberight » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:32 am

Greenmile wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:32 pm
You might have missed it, but there’s a bit of a bug going ‘round which some folk are saying might be quite dangerous, actually.
In WWI, we lost British soldiers alone (never mind all the other nationalities) at a rate of nearly 500 a day averaged over 4 years. Just as reminder too, these were men average age in their early 20s.

Then they came home and we lost another 228,000 in a year. Again, unlike this current virus, it was mainly younger people; the over 75s were the least affected.

Makes you think.

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