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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Leisure » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:20 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:49 pm
It’s still not murder though.

Anyway, a swan could break your arm.
So are you saying they can all be killed, because they could break your arm??? :o

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:46 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:20 pm
So are you saying they can all be killed, because they could break your arm??? :o
No. I think it’s pretty clear that’s not what I’m saying.

I’m saying killing a swan isn’t murder, that’s all.

The breaking your arm bit is just from a song lyric. It may well be an urban myth.

Can you, Jakub, or anyone else who seem to think it is murder tell me the precise point at which killing an animal should be considered murder? We seem to have ruled out flies and viruses (virii?), and Jakub suggested it might not be murder if it’s an animal that might be a threat to our health, so I’m going to presume you can’t murder, say, a rat or a snake. Could one murder a gerbil, though, or an earthworm?

For me, the distinction is pretty simple. I think if it’s not a (human) person, you can’t murder it, except in a figurative sense of course (eg - I could murder a kebab right now).

(Lets see if you can manage not to construe this post as my saying all monkeys deserve to die)

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Leisure » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:54 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:46 pm
No. I think it’s pretty clear that’s not what I’m saying.

I’m saying killing a swan isn’t murder, that’s all.

The breaking your arm bit is just from a song lyric. It may well be an urban myth.

Can you, Jakub, or anyone else who seem to think it is murder tell me the precise point at which killing an animal should be considered murder? We seem to have ruled out flies and viruses (virii?), and Jakub suggested it might not be murder if it’s an animal that might be a threat to our health, so I’m going to presume you can’t murder, say, a rat or a snake. Could one murder a gerbil, though, or an earthworm?

For me, the distinction is pretty simple. I think if it’s not a (human) person, you can’t murder it, except in a figurative sense of course (eg - I could murder a kebab right now).

(Lets see if you can manage not to construe this post as my saying all monkeys deserve to die)
In very simplistic terms you could consider that it's murder if you had no reason to kill the animal eg it was no threat to you or anyone else.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:56 pm

Dougall wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:28 pm
COULD break your arm??!!
I was brought up to be convinced that any swan absolutely WOULD break your arm, given half a chance !!
(Specially one that you might stumble across in the Duke Bar/Heasandford area - why else would they be there, other than looking for some defenceless 8-year-old who was minding his own business?)
i think I'm scarred for life! :(
I’ve checked. Turns out it’s an urban myth.

https://www.countrylife.co.uk/out-and-a ... arm-190943

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:01 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:54 pm
In very simplistic terms you could consider that it's murder if you had no reason to kill the animal eg it was no threat to you or anyone else.
So when I used a magnifying glass on ants as a small child, that made me a murderer (as well as a budding psychopath)?

(I’m not counting the spiders i still squash in the bathroom to this day, as I submit they are posing a direct threat to my life)

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:03 pm

You can’t murder animals. Why is this even being debated?
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:09 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:03 pm
You can’t murder animals. Why is this even being debated?
I’m bored.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:10 pm

I think the queen should keep the blasted things under better control :D
am I right in thinking they eat them at Oxford Uni?

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:13 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:09 pm
I’m bored.
I was actually asking the people who think that you can murder animals to explain why they are debating something that is obviously incorrect.

And you can tell I’m also bored for joining in!

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:15 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:13 pm
I was actually asking the people who think that you can murder animals to explain why they are debating something that is obviously incorrect.

And you can tell I’m also bored for joining in!
So what is it termed as, unlawful killing, I guess?

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:19 pm

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Let me know where and when and I'll happily join you!
I'll supply the bricks, you bring the ale. :D
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:15 pm
So what is it termed as, unlawful killing, I guess?
Theriocide
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:15 pm
So what is it termed as, unlawful killing, I guess?
Not sure, but I suppose so.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:22 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:21 pm
Theriocide
OK. I may have to look that up :)

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:13 pm
I was actually asking the people who think that you can murder animals to explain why they are debating something that is obviously incorrect.

And you can tell I’m also bored for joining in!
I can only speculate on their motives, but I’d guess it’s a sort of “virtue signalling” (I don’t like the term much, but it seems to fit) whereby you can show you’re more outraged than the next man by using more extreme (albeit factually incorrect) terms to describe what happened. I mean I think it was nothing less than avian genocide, on a par with the Holocaust, when you think about it.

There’s also an associated benefit whereby you can then essentially accuse anyone who pulls you up for your misuse of language of being all in favour of killing swans to the extent that they’re thinking of starting a YouGov petition to make it compulsory.

As I say though, I’m just speculating.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:27 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:22 pm
OK. I may have to look that up :)
Thats what I did (peak lockdown behaviour) :)
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:29 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:26 pm
I can only speculate on their motives, but I’d guess it’s a sort of “virtue signalling” (I don’t like the term much, but it seems to fit) whereby you can show you’re more outraged than the next man by using more extreme (albeit factually incorrect) terms to describe what happened. I mean I think it was nothing less than avian genocide, on a par with the Holocaust, when you think about it.

There’s also an associated benefit whereby you can then essentially accuse anyone who pulls you up for your misuse of language of being all in favour of killing swans to the extent that they’re thinking of starting a YouGov petition to make it compulsory.

As I say though, I’m just speculating.
I’m quite surprised that this thread has got so far without someone suggesting the death penalty. Maybe we should save that for when a group of teenagers trample on some poppies.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:30 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:21 pm
Theriocide
Great word.

There is some educational benefit to having pointless internet arguments, after all.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:32 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:27 pm
Thats what I did (peak lockdown behaviour) :)
What, theriocide?

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:38 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:32 pm
What, theriocide?
Yes but it was unintentional. I kicked a hedgehog whilst out exercising but it flew into a stream and drowned. I was very shaken up by the whole incident
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:40 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:38 pm
Yes but it was unintentional. I kicked a hedgehog whilst out exercising but it flew into a stream and drowned. I was very shaken up by the whole incident
I wouldn’t worry, I think that would class as involuntary hogslaughter.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by MACCA » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:48 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:57 pm
Near Salterforth/Foulridge mate.

There’s loads of Canadian Goose that nest near Magnesium way usually, or there was when I used to run on there. Opposite side in a field, used to be about a hundred of them
Near hapton, where they've made a new industrial estate?
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Billy Balfour » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:55 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:38 pm
Yes but it was unintentional. I kicked a hedgehog whilst out exercising but it flew into a stream and drowned.
Did you feel a bit of a prick?

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:01 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:48 pm
Near hapton, where they've made a new industrial estate?
About 1/2 mile before

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Squarepusher » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:38 pm

Swans are heavily mistreated in this country. I've heard of farmers in Norfolk feeding them beefburgers.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:46 pm

Squarepusher wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:38 pm
Swans are heavily mistreated in this country. I've heard of farmers in Norfolk feeding them beefburgers.
Could be worse, they could be forced to smoke like the poor pigs!!
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by kritichris » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:48 pm

Why does this thread bring to mind the Monty python parrot sketch?

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by MACCA » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:49 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:01 pm
About 1/2 mile before
Tes seen them on there myself, not sure they'll nest there though, it's a bit open isnt it.

I've seen more than normal on the stretch where I walk.

Geese get a bad rep, Rowley and queen Victoria park in Barrowford have both struggled for success in last few years, think Rowley has had 1 in the last 3 years, the other park none.

Rumours were the council, park rangers and fisherman were breaking their eggs once layed due to deeming them a noisy nuisance.
Shame if true, but for both combined lakes to get 1 Gosling in 3 or so years is a little peculiar.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by tim_noone » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:51 pm

kritichris wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:48 pm
Why does this thread bring to mind the Monty python parrot sketch?
I dont think the swan was stuffed...and also a shame if it had young...

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Somethingfishy » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:56 pm

We walk along that stretch of the canal on our exercise walks (yes we live close by) and had seen the swan on its own by the bridge in Hapton. It was a young adult on its own. It had no mate as yet..which is a small mercy but nevertheless doesn't make it any the less disgusting.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Somethingfishy » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:00 pm

Squarepusher wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:38 pm
Swans are heavily mistreated in this country. I've heard of farmers in Norfolk feeding them beefburgers.
How is that mistreating them? Surely it helps them float? ;) :D
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by dsr » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:03 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:38 pm
Yes but it was unintentional. I kicked a hedgehog whilst out exercising but it flew into a stream and drowned. I was very shaken up by the whole incident
It flew? I bet that hedgehog was pig sick. All that time it spent learning to fly, when it should have been learning to swim.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by groove » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:15 pm

This is my final post of the day. It's my swan song.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Somethingfishy » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:22 pm

groove wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:15 pm
This is my final post of the day. It's my swan song.
Typical..you come on here..post..then swan off.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:18 pm

According to our letter from Boris in the post today, swanning about is extremely " bad form " under the current circumstances !

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Millertime v1.7 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:13 am

Lads, wind your necks in yeah

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:32 am

Killing a Swan, whoever did it we are coming for you, when we find you and bury you up to the neck we are gonna stone your head in from across the canal. Both of your heroin addict parents will be forced to watch as your skull is demolished awaiting their turn for the punishment.

We are the RSPB

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:35 am

Funkydrummer wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:44 am
Why does caring about defenceless birds and animals have to be to the exclusion of
human beings ?

More to the point, why does it enrage people sufficiently to criticise those who express concern,
and indeed anger, at such atrocious behaviour ?

By the way, your choice of the word "mentalists" does you no favours and indicates your lack of
empathy.
I prefer people to animals. They taste better, th th th th th th th th th.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Heathclaret » Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:44 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:38 pm
Yes but it was unintentional. I kicked a hedgehog whilst out exercising but it flew into a stream and drowned. I was very shaken up by the whole incident
I almost believed your story, but you said “ out exercising “ at that point, I knew it wasn’t true. :D

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:56 am

It's only murder if you kill a group of crows.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:13 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:30 pm
Great word.

There is some educational benefit to having pointless internet arguments, after all.
Given some of the pages of Brexit I’m not sure educational benefit is apt!!!!

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Lord Rothbury » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:14 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:55 pm
Did you feel a bit of a prick?
No more than usual :D

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:20 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:56 am
It's only murder if you kill a group of crows.
Yes. Two is only an attempted murder.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by dougcollins » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:23 pm

I'm glad they put a picture with the article, I may have become confused with some other gigantic white bird.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Greenmile » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:39 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:56 am
It's only murder if you kill a group of crows.
Just leave the ravens alone; it’s unkind and you might be accused of conspiracy.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by MACCA » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:59 pm

Went on a nice walk from gannow to hapton on the canal, was lovely to see so many pairs if Canadian gease. Must have been 50-100 within a mile or so.
Some starting to nest on the far side on various stretches of banking.
2 pairs under a bridge on the concrete.

Will be a noisy but beautiful sight in a month or so.

So a swan at Hapton bridge, but it was on it's own so not sure if it's the mate of the one killed, or had a mate on a nest past the hapton bridge.

It's a great walk with some beautiful sights a long the way.

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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Bertiebeehead » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:42 pm

This thread keeps making me think of that quiz question. Name a bird with a long neck.
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:54 pm

Naomi Campbell😂
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Funkydrummer » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:04 pm

Bertiebeehead wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:42 pm
This thread keeps making me think of that quiz question. Name a bird with a long neck.
Wasn't that from family fortunes ? I got a list of them somewhere, I'll try and find it sometime.

One I can remember is "A dangerous race"

Under pressure .............. "Arabs" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Swan killed on canal in Burnley

Post by Bertiebeehead » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:18 pm

If it’s up there I’ll give you the money myself.
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