All time Burnley " Hard men " XI ....
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Wouldn’t say Blacklaw was a shoe-in as we also had Harry Thompson. Doug Collins earlier in the thread wouldn’t get anywhere near the squad. Never saw any memorable examples from Gordon Harris but he was usually first to come to the rescue when any of our lads were coming off second best. Maybe some team selections would be more useful, blending hard with skilful as I’d still want to win the game. So I’m gonna get my thinking head on to decide on the system, probably either 3-5-2 or 2-3-5. Depends on my final team selection.
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I read somewhere that Super Johnny Francis was quite a handy lad.
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Know what you mean in his pre Burnley days. He did sometimes bleat a bit.
Not here he didn't though. Only time I saw him come close to chucking his toys out was v Lincoln in the cup.
Time and again in most matches early on he was cynically targeted by the oppos trying to get a bite.
Time and again he just laughed, got up and got on with the game.
He's got to be credited, along with SD, for that.
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I’m probably letting that Lincoln game overshadow everything else he did here tbh.Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:49 pmKnow what you mean in his pre Burnley days. He did sometimes bleat a bit.
Not here he didn't though. Only time I saw him come close to chucking his toys out was v Lincoln in the cup.
Time and again in most matches early on he was cynically targeted by the oppos trying to get a bite.
Time and again he just laughed, got up and got on with the game.
He's got to be credited, along with SD, for that.
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but you quote Ade who was anything but a hard man. If you consider one incident when he was wound up, or sheer pace to make a hard man then so be it but he wouldn't be within a country mile of getting into a hard man team for me.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:22 pmIt depends what criteria you judge on. These two would put the eeby jeebies up anyone and would better most people in a fight.
I can't give an opinion on the older generation players but maybe nostalgia plays a big part? They certainly didn't look built enough to take on the ultra fit players of today.
Although you would say they should of been more mentally tough.
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I'd always thought of Dobo as being a hard player, i.e. not a dirty player.
I remember a game against the Villa when he challenged for a header, the ball went out for a corner, and he had treatment for the head injury. Resultant corner and he scored with a thumping header - that's a hard player to me.
He could put in a challenge too. Recall at Elland Road him putting in a strong 50/50 challenge on Norman Hunter and leaving Hunter slow to get up. There appeared a sharp intake of breath from the Leeds fans as much to say you can't do that to our Norman. Perhaps a less hard player would have avoided the challenge.
Respect the earlier views from that 70s team, but to me Dobo was the epitome of that oft miss used phrase "Hard but Fair".
I remember a game against the Villa when he challenged for a header, the ball went out for a corner, and he had treatment for the head injury. Resultant corner and he scored with a thumping header - that's a hard player to me.
He could put in a challenge too. Recall at Elland Road him putting in a strong 50/50 challenge on Norman Hunter and leaving Hunter slow to get up. There appeared a sharp intake of breath from the Leeds fans as much to say you can't do that to our Norman. Perhaps a less hard player would have avoided the challenge.
Respect the earlier views from that 70s team, but to me Dobo was the epitome of that oft miss used phrase "Hard but Fair".
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Have to disagree with you on Gordon Harris. Formed a formidably tough and skilful partnership with Brian O'Neil but as you say he was always available to his team mates when things got a.little naughty. The FA cup tie at White Hart Lane on a frozen pitch in '63 and for myself a game at Turf Moor on my birthday in'66 v Liverpool. First half after Willie Irvine put us 1 up Tommy Smith committed a dreadful challenge on Willie. The game continued and we went 2. up in the second half. Just after that goal, Bomber, who had bided his time, exacted sweet revenge on Smith leaving him writhing on the wet pitch and calmly collected the ball for a throw in which he was expecting as a result of the challenge.Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:43 pmWouldn’t say Blacklaw was a shoe-in as we also had Harry Thompson. Doug Collins earlier in the thread wouldn’t get anywhere near the squad. Never saw any memorable examples from Gordon Harris but he was usually first to come to the rescue when any of our lads were coming off second best. Maybe some team selections would be more useful, blending hard with skilful as I’d still want to win the game. So I’m gonna get my thinking head on to decide on the system, probably either 3-5-2 or 2-3-5. Depends on my final team selection.
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Dennis Law?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:00 pmOn the subject of which one of the four told me, it would be unfair to say to be honest but you might just find him on the picture below.
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Here's a side Darnhill's team might look forward to playing against
David Seaman
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Gordon McQueen
Mustafi
Ashley Young
James Maddison
Guendouzi
Dele Alli
Wilfred Zaha
Jamie Vardy
Didier Drogba
David Seaman
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Always classed ‘Bomber’ as a hard man but as I say I had only the evidence of him always being first to the rescue. Whereas with John Angus saw him teach Terry Paine a lesson after he’d niggled and moaned from the kick-off. Paine noticeably quieter for the rest of the game (unless he went off). Glad to hear about Gordon putting one on Smith as whenever ‘Taffy’ played against Liverpool, Smith would target him from the off.
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When the WYC met in Bradford, last year, Roger Eli, who met up with us, said that John Francis was the hardest player he ever played with. He was a nice guy but really didn’t take any messing when the gloves came off.
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And Roger Eli wasn’t far wrong either - tough player was John FrancisLord Beamish wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:55 pmWhen the WYC met in Bradford, last year, Roger Eli, who met up with us, said that John Francis was the hardest player he ever played with. He was a nice guy but really didn’t take any messing when the gloves came off.
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Wish I could remember where I heard the story from where Smith kicked James up in the air repeatedly in the early stages of a game.
Taffy complaints to the referee led to the referee taking some action.
The next time it happened the ref had words with Taffy to the effect that he should stop complaining and if he wasn't happy to play on the other wing
Taffy complaints to the referee led to the referee taking some action.
The next time it happened the ref had words with Taffy to the effect that he should stop complaining and if he wasn't happy to play on the other wing
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I've got a "tough" 10 who could play in a 4-4-2, but I'm really struggling to find a left back who comes into the category of these. Ben Mee played quite a bit at left back though so we'll go with him
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Ray Hankin & lets not forget John Pender & Duff.
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Was going to say. Definitely Mick Docherty that told you that.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:00 pmOn the subject of which one of the four told me, it would be unfair to say to be honest but you might just find him on the picture below.
Remember Frank Casper being the pre-match speaker about 15 years back Mick was also there.
Frank was telling the story of the Norman Hunter tackle and said that he's only ever bumped into him twice since that tackle. On one of the occasions he asked Norman why he did it. Norman's response was "That's just how we were told to play Frank".
I spoke to Mick afterwards and asked him if they were scared going onto the pitch with sides like that who were told to play in such a way and ended careers. He said "No, we were all at it. I was as bad as anybody. You just had to get them before they got you".
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I haven't seen Doc in ages but it was Waldo who told me. He named three of the back four and Nulty as the likely lads. He also said Keith Newton didn't because he was so good he didn't need to. Top, top man is Waldo.djemba-djemba wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:24 pmWas going to say. Definitely Mick Docherty that told you that.
Remember Frank Casper being the pre-match speaker about 15 years back Mick was also there.
Frank was telling the story of the Norman Hunter tackle and said that he's only ever bumped into him twice since that tackle. On one of the occasions he asked Norman why he did it. Norman's response was "That's just how we were told to play Frank".
I spoke to Mick afterwards and asked him if they were scared going onto the pitch with sides like that who were told to play in such a way and ended careers. He said "No, we were all at it. I was as bad as anybody. You just had to get them before they got you".
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I didn't look at the photo closely enough!!!!!ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 pmI haven't seen Doc in ages but it was Waldo who told me. He named three of the back four and Nulty as the likely lads. He also said Keith Newton didn't because he was so good he didn't need to. Top, top man is Waldo.
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Was the Leeds game in 74 at Elland Road the same one that Paul Fletcher referenced in his book. The one where he said Leeds targeted every Burnley apart from Doug Collins because Jimmy Adamson spoke the referee before the match in front of Don Revie and said the Leeds players had been saying they were going to break Doug Collins' legs?
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Fletcher said every Burnley player came off the pitch battered and bruised from head to toe except Collins who didn't have a scratch on him.
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I don't know about hard, but the centre half we sold to Southampton that Cotterill bought in as Captain was certainly dirty.
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Gordon Harris .Adam Blacklaw..Andy Lochhead...and Brian O'Neil ... who took no prisoners...
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no mention of Lenny Johnrose ??????????????!!!!!!!!
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Not sure how we class a goalkeeper as a hard man ?
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Anyone who dives at the feet of onrushing forwards with studs flying has to be either hard or mental
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So you reckon this team is "hard" enough not to need a 'keeper?
Anyway, Adam Blacklaw was definitely a "hard" man, but as someone else posted / implied, you wouldn't have bet against Harry Thompson in a scrap.
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Elizabeth, all goalkeepers should dive at the feet of onrushing forwards so probably mental rather than hard.
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Bomber Harris and Joey Barton for me
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Take a look at Mick Docherty on 37 seconds v Coventry away in 1975/76 season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZHCyrPh1Bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZHCyrPh1Bc