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Re: Following the Science
Possibly for the virus???? Followed by two weeks in isolation. But ideally I’d have suspended passenger travel.....do you understand that?
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I'll ask again, which test? Temp test? Full virus test?jackmiggins wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:01 amPossibly for the virus???? Followed by two weeks in isolation. But ideally I’d have suspended passenger travel.....do you understand that?
Who would police the isolation?
The majority of passengers arriving are those brits stranded abroad, should we just have left them where they were?
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There's probably around half a million infections in the UK. Picking up a dozen on incoming flights isn't going to tip any balance.
I could understand other countries not allowing flights from here though.
I could understand other countries not allowing flights from here though.
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Theres about 6 different threads you could have posted this on
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Have you followed the reason that there are no restrictions on inward air travel?jackmiggins wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:39 amI’m aware of that. But I prefer true statements from politicians. The surprising thing for me is regarding unrestricted inward air travel!!!
Something like this:
1) quarantine the small numbers of returning travellers who had been exposed to covid-19, cruise ship(s), Tenerife hotel;
2) but no quarantine for all the other people returning to/coming into UK, because covid-19 was not wide spread at the time;
3) Instructions to self-isolate etc etc if you have the symptoms;
4) Understand that people come into UK via, airports, seaports, Eurotunnel and Ireland;
5) Understand that some of the people coming in are delivering food, manufactured goods and raw materials;
6) Understand that these delivery people and others also export goods from the UK;
7) Understand the period you can be infected but not show any symptoms;
8) Also, understand there is no test that can guarantee if the test was performed you'd identify everyone with symptoms;
9) So, covid-19 also became wide-spread in UK, because it couldn't be "stopped at the borders."
10) Thus, focus on controlling covid-19 with social distancing etc etc etc.
11) Understand that the "front line" needs a lot of PPE and this, including the plastics which is the essential raw material for PPE, is mostly made abroad.
So, how would you have tackled this issue?
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If you look at the replies to my 3 questions, I doubt you'll get a reply to your well thought out, well documented, utterly sensible postPaul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:15 amHave you followed the reason that there are no restrictions on inward air travel?
Something like this:
1) quarantine the small numbers of returning travellers who had been exposed to covid-19, cruise ship(s), Tenerife hotel;
2) but no quarantine for all the other people returning to/coming into UK, because covid-19 was not wide spread at the time;
3) Instructions to self-isolate etc etc if you have the symptoms;
4) Understand that people come into UK via, airports, seaports, Eurotunnel and Ireland;
5) Understand that some of the people coming in are delivering food, manufactured goods and raw materials;
6) Understand that these delivery people and others also export goods from the UK;
7) Understand the period you can be infected but not show any symptoms;
8) Also, understand there is no test that can guarantee if the test was performed you'd identify everyone with symptoms;
9) So, covid-19 also became wide-spread in UK, because it couldn't be "stopped at the borders."
10) Thus, focus on controlling covid-19 with social distancing etc etc etc.
11) Understand that the "front line" needs a lot of PPE and this, including the plastics which is the essential raw material for PPE, is mostly made abroad.
So, how would you have tackled this issue?
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Quite rightly the PM has ruled out an early end to lockdown in a speech this morning.Dazzler wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:23 amWhat this nation needs is some good old British Bulldog Spirit.
We need to stop pussy footing about and get our economy back on track.
Good on yers Swedes
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52395866
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Agreed. I also think he's right not to tell us when it's predicted that lockdown will be eased. The last thing we want is to be told when we think it'll happen, and then for it not to happen. IMO he's completely correct not to share that until they're sure when it can happen - which can't be until the numbers say so.
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So which idiots allowed Cheltenham Festival to go ahead?Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:15 am
10) Thus, focus on controlling covid-19 with social distancing etc etc etc.
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Football had already been cancelled at that point though.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:38 amWho governs horse racing? Who attends horse racing?
Agree, I was surprised it wasn't postponed. I was surprised people went.
But, wasn''t Cheltenham more than a week before we went into lockdown?
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Liverpool played Athletico on day 3 of Cheltenham
United and wolves played on day 4
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are you sure? I thought Liverpool had a European game mid-week around same time. I know City game was called off, but I can't remember which day of the week that decision was announced. We played Spurs the w/end before.
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Well, we keep getting told that we'll have 100,000 tests per day by then end of the month.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:28 amThe last thing we want is to be told when we think it'll happen, and then for it not to happen.
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I notice they sneaked “success” into his statement a couple of times.
Brave. Or delusional.
Brave. Or delusional.
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What did he say that had been successful?Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:49 amI notice they sneaked “success” into his statement a couple of times.
Brave. Or delusional.
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They used it a couple of times, which they are free to do.
Of course if you burn your house down but manage to save your wallet you could call that a success.
Of course if you burn your house down but manage to save your wallet you could call that a success.
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well they're not wrong are they? they have flattened the curve and the NHS has been protected by the lockdown (so far).
Trouble is, and I suspect it is the same in Burnley, around here (MK) people are already "back to normal" - reports that Tesco in MK was as busy as a normal Saturday; people visiting family elsewhere (...but its alright - we kept 2m away... no Doris its not alright -the 2m is for when you have to leave the house for essential tasks); We had bloody street parties down our road with neighbours blaring out loud music for 4 hours on Saturday night - 2m rule again observed (until Maureen decides she wants to kiss everyone because the alcohol has got to her head!).
The mind boggles at some people and the total and utter disregard for what the lockdown is trying to achieve. I bet each and every one of the dickheads flouting the rules are out religiously every Thursday at 8pm to clap for the NHS... I know the ones in our street who had the party are out every Thursday night whooping and banging saucepans, *****.
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A better analogy would be that if someone else burned your house down but you managed to save your wallet, you could call that a success. Whatever else the government may be at fault for, it didn't start the fire.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:01 amThey used it a couple of times, which they are free to do.
Of course if you burn your house down but manage to save your wallet you could call that a success.
Why would it not be called a success that the NHS hasn't been overwhelmed? It was what they set out to do with this lockdown, and it has worked.
The question is what their ambition is now with the lockdown. Is it still to keep the NHS from being overwhelmed, or have they got other ambitions?
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Id imagne a far right Tory Party will want lockdown over with yesterday..their sponsors in big buisness are already leaning on them..Currently theyre desperatley trying to appear averse to lifting restrictions whilst prvately workng out how soon they can get away with it.
Its clear that "lockdown" is now being eroded in some parts of the uk and as always our behaviour will mirror that of the yanks eventually. The British proles will decide the fate of lockdown, probably within the next 2 weeks.
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To extend the anaolgy a little further, they didn't need to stand there and toast the marshmallows whilst watching the fire get out of control, but they did. I do think that once the sweet taste of the melted marshmallow had gone they did think "ahh ********, look at it now..." and are actually trying to sort it..
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I despair sometimes at the dumbasses in this country,and you can guarantee they'll be the ones whining at the government not doing enough,take some personal responsibility FFS,this is not a holiday.Zlatan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:43 amwell they're not wrong are they? they have flattened the curve and the NHS has been protected by the lockdown (so far).
Trouble is, and I suspect it is the same in Burnley, around here (MK) people are already "back to normal" - reports that Tesco in MK was as busy as a normal Saturday; people visiting family elsewhere (...but its alright - we kept 2m away... no Doris its not alright -the 2m is for when you have to leave the house for essential tasks); We had bloody street parties down our road with neighbours blaring out loud music for 4 hours on Saturday night - 2m rule again observed (until Maureen decides she wants to kiss everyone because the alcohol has got to her head!).
The mind boggles at some people and the total and utter disregard for what the lockdown is trying to achieve. I bet each and every one of the dickheads flouting the rules are out religiously every Thursday at 8pm to clap for the NHS... I know the ones in our street who had the party are out every Thursday night whooping and banging saucepans, *****.
On your broader point the lockdown is generally having an effect,the spread is slowing,and the NHS has managed to avoid being overwhelmed,and this is without using the Nightingale facilities remember,however the tricky judgement is when to start easing(and it will only be an easing) restrictions,and trying to get some aspects of the economy moving again.
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NHS issues urgent alert amid spike in the number of children being admitted to intensive care with a new coronavirus-related 'inflammatory syndrome'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ldren.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ldren.html
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I think there will be a lot of illnesses "detected" with everything that is going on. The typical symptoms for Covid-19 are quite generic and patients will present with these and be tested but not actually have the Coronavirus - so it must be something else. Often, doctors do like to "label" a diagnosis and I think this is what is happening here - there is a hypersensitivity to health issues at the moment and it is causing a(n) (over)reaction perhaps.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:15 amNHS issues urgent alert amid spike in the number of children being admitted to intensive care with a new coronavirus-related 'inflammatory syndrome'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ldren.html
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I hope you're right pal. Although it does mention in one of the papers that medical staff in Italy and Spain have also noticed this, so isn't something the UK have just randomly noticed.Zlatan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:22 amI think there will be a lot of illnesses "detected" with everything that is going on. The typical symptoms for Covid-19 are quite generic and patients will present with these and be tested but not actually have the Coronavirus - so it must be something else. Often, doctors do like to "label" a diagnosis and I think this is what is happening here - there is a hypersensitivity to health issues at the moment and it is causing a(n) (over)reaction perhaps.
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What will be the difference in a VERY CAREFUL AND GRADUAL relaxation of the lockdown NOW and a very careful and gradual relaxation of the lockdown in, say, another 6 weeks time?
Will anything have significantly changed?
Will anything have significantly changed?
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From what I can tell, they need the numbers to drop for a certain length of time. Leaving it another few weeks will add confidence.
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Boils down to the explanation that we are following ‘the science’. My own feelings are this is limited to acceptable ‘science’ from hand picked scientists. Certainly isn’t the advice that the majority of Bsc’s believe.
It’s not a handful of Brits returning - it’s all flights. Total madness to submit these to a simple questionnaire. Do people know how quickly and widely this actually spreads???
It’s not a handful of Brits returning - it’s all flights. Total madness to submit these to a simple questionnaire. Do people know how quickly and widely this actually spreads???
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Paul Waine and Grumps - I would have suspended all passenger flights into the country - including those Brits who took advantage of cheap flights in March. Hope this clarifies?
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Thanks. I'd have been stuck abroad with nowhere to stay in that case. You need to think through your ideas.jackmiggins wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:42 amPaul Waine and Grumps - I would have suspended all passenger flights into the country - including those Brits who took advantage of cheap flights in March. Hope this clarifies?
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Poor you - don’t you get the message? If you decided to travel abroad, taking advantage of cheap fares, then deal with it. Thanks for actually semi-explaining your position - pretty selfish of you, don’t you think? Or, don’t you think at all?
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Holiday booked over 12 months agojackmiggins wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:56 amPoor you - don’t you get the message? If you decided to travel abroad, taking advantage of cheap fares, then deal with it. Thanks for actually semi-explaining your position - pretty selfish of you, don’t you think? Or, don’t you think at all?
Left in February when no problem
Now eff off you absolute moron
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As pointed out "Tory Grandee" used to mean distinguished former MP or Peer. Now it's shifted to mean major donor or billionaire telling the government what to do.fatboy47 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:53 amId imagne a far right Tory Party will want lockdown over with yesterday..their sponsors in big buisness are already leaning on them..Currently theyre desperatley trying to appear averse to lifting restrictions whilst prvately workng out how soon they can get away with it.
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Thank you Grumps, you’ve eloquently explained your views. Have a lovely day, no doubt you’ll be visiting your friends to have a bbq.
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I leave that to the brain dead. Enjoy your sausage.jackmiggins wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:09 pmThank you Grumps, you’ve eloquently explained your views. Have a lovely day, no doubt you’ll be visiting your friends to have a bbq.
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Leaving because you’re brain dead? Or because you’re a sausage? Bye
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Incidentally, just checked that I could book a flight into Heathrow, via Frankfurt, from Milan!!!
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D-heads.
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1 in 10 recorded death in the UK (just in hospitals not inc care homes).
1% world population, 10% of the deaths.
PM speaks of our success...
1% world population, 10% of the deaths.
PM speaks of our success...
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I would have wrote "In Defiance"CombatClaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:42 pmHow were they marching, quickstep, double time, Australian slow?
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...and today...
"The health secretary announces a "life assurance scheme" for NHS and frontline staff.
He says the family of staff who die from coronavirus will receive a £60,000 payment."
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Earlier this month,
Each MPs get £10000 "bonus" to allow to work from home.
Let's just think about this
"The health secretary announces a "life assurance scheme" for NHS and frontline staff.
He says the family of staff who die from coronavirus will receive a £60,000 payment."
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Earlier this month,
Each MPs get £10000 "bonus" to allow to work from home.
Let's just think about this
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2nd part of your post is rubbish and not trueHunterST_BFC wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:26 pm...and today...
"The health secretary announces a "life assurance scheme" for NHS and frontline staff.
He says the family of staff who die from coronavirus will receive a £60,000 payment."
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Earlier this month,
Each MPs get £10000 "bonus" to allow to work from home.
Let's just think about this
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