It's... From tomorrow..... If it takes a week to prepare the workplace, then you start work then
Only the really dumb would think everyone was expected in at 9am tomorrow
It's... From tomorrow..... If it takes a week to prepare the workplace, then you start work then
Again, you’re having to interpret what’s been said. How is anyone who thinks it might apply to them supposed to find out whether they are expected in work tomorrow or not?
Think we are learning this government don’t have much interest in communication.taio wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:22 pmOff course the PM couldn't go into detail in such a short statement.
Which is why telling some people on a Sunday evening they can go back to tomorrow morning is bizarre.
They could have easily deferred this a couple of days to allow some time for people to see more detail and for employers to communicate with their staff.
Glad they managed to give us three days notice on the extra exercise though! You know I’m half thinking he got the dates on the back to work/exercise the wrong way round.taio wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:22 pmOff course the PM couldn't go into detail in such a short statement.
Which is why telling some people on a Sunday evening they can go back to tomorrow morning is bizarre.
They could have easily deferred this a couple of days to allow some time for people to see more detail and for employers to communicate with their staff.
We know there are plenty of really dumb people around though.
They don't all post on here by any chance do they?
I think some on here think that Boris was saying you had to return to work from tomorrow.
The places where people couldn’t work from home should have been open anyway. He’s never shut down workplaces (other than restaurants, theatres, gyms, etc - and they’re staying closed).
Completely agree.
How can they be readying their workplaces when they are staying at home?NewClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:34 pmCompletely agree.
And if employers haven’t spent the last 2 months readying their workplaces for a return to work, I have no sympathy for them.
The supermarkets managed to get their 1000’s of huge shops open and safe for employees/customers in a matter of days (albeit with increasingly better protections). Other employers have had 2 months clear run while the supermarkets have been keeping the nation fed and the NHS has been operating day and night to save lives. Quite embarrassing if they haven’t already got themselves prepared.
I agree as well, but it isn't just about whether the workplace is safe.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:34 pmCompletely agree.
And if employers haven’t spent the last 2 months readying their workplaces for a return to work, I have no sympathy for them.
The supermarkets managed to get their 1000’s of huge shops open and safe for employees/customers in a matter of days (albeit with increasingly better protections). Other employers have had 2 months clear run while the supermarkets have been keeping the nation fed and the NHS has been operating day and night to save lives. Quite embarrassing if they haven’t already got themselves prepared.
Indeed. All they needed to do was follow the guidance that will be released at an indeterminate time in the future.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:34 pmCompletely agree.
And if employers haven’t spent the last 2 months readying their workplaces for a return to work, I have no sympathy for them.
The supermarkets managed to get their 1000’s of huge shops open and safe for employees/customers in a matter of days (albeit with increasingly better protections). Other employers have had 2 months clear run while the supermarkets have been keeping the nation fed and the NHS has been operating day and night to save lives. Quite embarrassing if they haven’t already got themselves prepared.
I very much doubt that's all supermarkets have had to do. In fact I suspect there has been a great deal of planning and hard work over the last couple of months.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:44 pmHow can they be readying their workplaces when they are staying at home?
And all supermarkets have done is put some perspex up at checkouts and a bit of tape on the floor.
Well, in our case, the Facilities team have managed to find a way.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:44 pmHow can they be readying their workplaces when they are staying at home?
And all supermarkets have done is put some perspex up at checkouts and a bit of tape on the floor.
I can only speak for the one I've been in but that is the only difference i could see. Non-essential items still on sale, aisles still the same width (with no way of passing more than 6 feet apart), staff stacking shelves, completely ignoring social distancing.
Indeed, in fact Tesco had done some disaster planning and acted on the resulting recommendations meaning they were in a position to act quickly. Unfortunately our government weren’t as well prepared as a supermarket.
I've no idea what it's like to to run or work in a supermarket. But I guess the logistics planning, high demand for deliveries, people stockpiling, lots of recruitment activity and new staff, and some completely unreasonable and rude people have meant that it hasn't been that easy.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:00 pmI can only speak for the one I've been in but that is the only difference i could see. Non-essential items still on sale, aisles still the same width (with no way of passing more than 6 feet apart), staff stacking shelves, completely ignoring social distancing.
Sorry, there was one more thing; the bloke in the doorway who was operating the one-in/one-out system (who coincidentally was stood right in the doorway making it impossible to leave 6 feet when passing).
Let me tell you what we’ve done then.
I can only speak for the health and care system but the amount of contingency and continuity planning under government guidance since the pandemic has been incredible. It's easy to point the finger from a great distance and with little understanding.
Well I do, it's normal standard practice for such an arrangement to be necessary, some of the gowns received from turkey don't meet BSS, I understand there's a sense of urgency regarding the fulfillment of supplies, some sort of sample or spec reassurance should have been established before agreement, the desperation is falling into a counter productive trap serving no real purpose.KateR wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:01 amwe will have to disagree on that one, other than yes millions of units for daily use but they are not typically how you mix with emergency supplies/stock but I freely admit I have no idea how the NHS supply chain is run and am only going off numerous other stocks/spares and companies globally that I do know a little bit about.
There is no safe option. Whatever the government does is a heck of a risk; if the government does nothing, it is a heck of a risk.
That's true,let's just hope the majority of the public can exercise common sense,you'll always get the neanderthals,but they're a small proportion.
I'm in Scotland so there hasn't been any major changes here yet,i'll be getting in touch with my employer as per tomorrow morning,and see what their advising regarding returning to work,I've already suggested a phased return,and they appeared receptive to that idea.
Will remember this post when I’m getting frustrated. Thanks for the forewarning.
I can agree with this in the main however I don't think any Gov. will tell employers exactly what they have to do given how many different industries there are plus various sizes. The public guidelines have been clear in many cases and remain and have not changed. We can clearly see in a hospital people are having to work close together and are wearing PPE, there will be other cases and if the PPE is not readily available they will not allow or the employees will refuse and document accordingly. Yet the Gov. need to be very explicit in which types of industries can open and I think it would be better if they put guidelines around numbers depending on the industry, supermarkets seem to have worked it out well and I think business owners will be cautious in reopening (hopefully)Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pmWhat needs to be clarified and supported strongly by the govt when the detail and practicalities come out this week are the safegaurds for employees and the responsibilitys of employers.
There needs some clear guidelines and rules in place around situations where if workers dont feel they can work safely or for workers who have to travel on public transport etc
The responsibility cannot be left solely to the business and employers but needs to be backed by govt support.
I'm sure in a lot of situations the business and employees can work things through together and will want to support each other but where this isn't the case then the govt needs to take some ownership about how these situations will be resolved
I wouldnt expect detailed guidelines for all scenarios but there should be some very clear principles and standards and a dispute process overseen by an official body who can interpret the guidelines and principles alongside the case specifics in questionKateR wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 11:26 pmI can agree with this in the main however I don't think any Gov. will tell employers exactly what they have to do given how many different industries there are plus various sizes. The public guidelines have been clear in many cases and remain and have not changed. We can clearly see in a hospital people are having to work close together and are wearing PPE, there will be other cases and if the PPE is not readily available they will not allow or the employees will refuse and document accordingly. Yet the Gov. need to be very explicit in which types of industries can open and I think it would be better if they put guidelines around numbers depending on the industry, supermarkets seem to have worked it out well and I think business owners will be cautious in reopening (hopefully)
I can only talk about how well 2 companies I work with are doing, offices in certain parts of the world fully closed down but actual project work has carried on with reduced manning and PPE. I have seen a couple of offices open last Monday but with very limited people and they have to be justified as to criticality of work and why they can't do the work from home.
I think the biggest problem is that of transport, particularly public transport but expect a huge rise in car travel with single occupancy
totally agree.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 11:43 pmI wouldnt expect detailed guidelines for all scenarios but there should be some very clear principles and standards and a dispute process overseen by an official body who can interpret the guidelines and principles alongside the case specifics in question
We cannot be in a situation where you get an employer like Wetherspoons who has little care for its employees working conditions and at the same time holds a lot of power over them in terms of how much they rely on keeping their job.
This might be the exception more than the norm but it is likely gonna be the most desperate people who find themselves in this situation who most need protection from the state
I can't believe this is anything to do with the relaxation though, transmission takes time to actually show through and grow plus there has not been that much relaxation for any length of time has there? Does this indicate it is still going up occasionally? Am asking questions here?tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:14 pmGermany might have to reimpose lockdown?
Germany may need to bring back restrictions
The latest figures appear to show that the number of Covid-19 infections in Germany may be rising faster again.
The reproduction rate has risen to 1.1, meaning 10 people will infect 11 others on average. To keep the pandemic in check this level should be below one.
This is an estimate and officials warn against reading too much into short-term changes.
But this all comes as Germany is easing restrictions in some of the most risky sectors, such as restaurants, hotels and football.
So the government will be watching closely. And if the virus is spreading more rapidly, some restrictions could be reimposed.
At the same time, the daily death toll in Germany is the lowest it’s been in more than a month. As of 9 May, Germany had recorded 7,369 deaths, a rise of 103 compared with the previous day, according to the Robert Koch Institute.
Your supposed to do your contingency and continuity planning before the disaster happens, not when it’s already happening.