They don’t have a duty at all but to brag about giving £30k away when they are paid £100k a week isn’t special.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 10:08 pmI'm getting a bit miffed by the concept that highly paid sportsmen have any duty to give their money away.
The tax that Boots has avoided runs to billions, and that is OUR money
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Easy enough when there’s millions in the bank. What would his stance be if he really WAS broke?cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:28 pmDeeney is putting health before wealth. Fair play to him.
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I would say the most difficult thing about a footballer taking the stand Deeney has taken isn't anything to do with money but the backlash and pressure they will come under from the alpha male warrior type environment that is top level sport.
You just have to look at how difficult footballers find it to be open about sexuality and mental health issues to realise that standing up and saying you are scared about the risk to your health would not be easy in that culture and environment
Not only does Deeney need to be listened too but we should be trying to encourage any other players or staff with genuine concerns to feel comfortable at expressing those views without the kind of attitude we are seeing on here
This doesn't mean Deeney's view is correct and that we should not be restarting football but to move forward in the best way the true views of everyone needs to be understand so the best solution can be found taking onboard all viewpoints
If a footballer got offered the chance to not play but give up their wages for the period I think the thing they would still struggle with and which would probably see them back down is not the money but the thought of being seen to let your team and club down (see the attitude on here along the lines of I wouldn't like to be stuck in a trench with them)
You just have to look at how difficult footballers find it to be open about sexuality and mental health issues to realise that standing up and saying you are scared about the risk to your health would not be easy in that culture and environment
Not only does Deeney need to be listened too but we should be trying to encourage any other players or staff with genuine concerns to feel comfortable at expressing those views without the kind of attitude we are seeing on here
This doesn't mean Deeney's view is correct and that we should not be restarting football but to move forward in the best way the true views of everyone needs to be understand so the best solution can be found taking onboard all viewpoints
If a footballer got offered the chance to not play but give up their wages for the period I think the thing they would still struggle with and which would probably see them back down is not the money but the thought of being seen to let your team and club down (see the attitude on here along the lines of I wouldn't like to be stuck in a trench with them)
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For footballers who are worried about infecting their children, the following figures might console them.
Number of children who have died up to May 1st with coronavirus = 2.
Number of children who die in a typical year with flu = 166.
So if they won't play because of the coronavirus risk to their children, then if they're logical they won't play at all because of the flu risk.
As for the few that have other strong reasons to self isolate, such as elderly or ill parent s who cannot be cared for any other way, or pregnant wives or other reasons - well, they can do what everyone else in the country does. Make a decision. Play / don't play / get paid / don't get paid. They have a free choice and being rich men, they have more and better options. They don't leave a garden centre closed because one of the staff is pregnant, so no need to stop football being played because of a few hard cases.
Number of children who have died up to May 1st with coronavirus = 2.
Number of children who die in a typical year with flu = 166.
So if they won't play because of the coronavirus risk to their children, then if they're logical they won't play at all because of the flu risk.
As for the few that have other strong reasons to self isolate, such as elderly or ill parent s who cannot be cared for any other way, or pregnant wives or other reasons - well, they can do what everyone else in the country does. Make a decision. Play / don't play / get paid / don't get paid. They have a free choice and being rich men, they have more and better options. They don't leave a garden centre closed because one of the staff is pregnant, so no need to stop football being played because of a few hard cases.
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Minimum wage shop workers risk their lives every day to keep the country going.
I`m sure they`d risk a 90 minute football game for 6 times their yearly salary
I`m sure they`d risk a 90 minute football game for 6 times their yearly salary
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But that's the big difference, isn't it?
Shop workers, and many other essential workers, have been performing duties which are vital in order for the country to function. I'm sure we're all incredibly grateful for that.
Playing a few games of football isn't even remotely important right now, so I can understand why some players are reluctant to put themselves and others at risk unnecessarily.
Sadly, the virus isn't under control in this country yet, so I see no reason why footballers should be rushed back at this stage.
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And until a vaccine is found the virus will never be under controlJohnMcGreal wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 6:56 amBut that's the big difference, isn't it?
Shop workers, and many other essential workers, have been performing duties which are vital in order for the country to function. I'm sure we're all incredibly grateful for that.
Playing a few games of football isn't even remotely important right now, so I can understand why some players are reluctant to put themselves and others at risk unnecessarily.
Sadly, the virus isn't under control in this country yet, so I see no reason why footballers should be rushed back at this stage.
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Good job he hasn't been bragging about it then.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:26 pmThey don’t have a duty at all but to brag about giving £30k away when they are paid £100k a week isn’t special.
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What has the number of cases got to do with the risk factor on the pitch?JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 9:30 amWell the example you gave, Germany, is a country that has the virus under far greater control than the UK.
Maybe when our daily new cases are in the hundreds, and not the thousands, we can start to think about playing games behind closed doors.
A German footballer has as much chance of catching the virus on the pitch as an English player has, which is negligible.
Troy Deeney, for example, is no more at risk playing in an English game than he would be playing in a German match if all the players are tested regularly.
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Well, for one it shows the prevalence of the virus in that particular country. You can also look at the number of active cases, the rate of infection, hospital capacity, PPE stocks, testing capacity etc. All things that need to be evaluated before restrictions are eased.Spijed wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 9:42 amWhat has the number of cases got to do with the risk factor on the pitch?
A German footballer has as much chance of catching the virus on the pitch as an English player has, which is negligible.
Troy Deeney, for example, is no more at risk playing in an English game than he would be playing in a German match if all the players are tested regularly.
Germany have probably done that and come to the decision that they can safely play games behind closed doors. We should be doing the same, and if we're in good shape in all those areas, then the case to play games behind closed doors becomes much stronger and easier to make.
I understand why people are looking at Germany and wondering why we can't play games behind closed doors like that. But the situation is very different. We are not in the same position as Germany.
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Once is unlucky, twice is really unlucky but when all your “anonymous” donations are publicised that’s not an accident.
Re: Joey Barton calling a spade a spade
Thought this was Joey making contact with our 'Spades'.
Hello Spades.
Hello Spades.