Positives tests among Premier League players/staff
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It really depends on the % of people who have the virus at any moment in time and then assuming a similar distribution amongst players and families and the possible 25% chance of testing negative amongst those with it, one (not me) could model the chances of this virus stopping matches as soon as they start. Suppose one Burnley player tests positive after the City game, then that puts both us and City in quarantine and if we are playing two games per week that potentially could put City, us and our respective next opponents in quarantine for 2 weeks if the positive test comes after our second match in 4 days. That means 4 clubs in lockdown with no training for two weeks minimum.And it only needs one player to end up on ITU and all hell will break lose.
Unfortunately there is a bit of hue and cry about ending lockdown and getting games going that could easily trigger a second wave loooking at how Joe Public is starting to behave after IMO bonkers Boris (BB) said we could drive 200miles to exercise
Unfortunately there is a bit of hue and cry about ending lockdown and getting games going that could easily trigger a second wave loooking at how Joe Public is starting to behave after IMO bonkers Boris (BB) said we could drive 200miles to exercise
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Well, the bottom line is we'll have the same issue until a vaccine is found. We either accept that or lock down football, potentially for years.UnderSeige wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 10:23 amThere is one big question relating to tests and Premier League Players.
Will Premier League Players be subject to the same 'Track and Trace' regulations as the rest of the population?
If the answer is yes then there is likely to be disruptions to the league program when 'full contract training' and 'full contact matches' are in place. Just one positive test could disrupt 4 matches.
If the answer is no (e.g. just isolate the one player infected without isolating those who he has come into close contact with) then there is possibly a moderate risk of the virus spreading between clubs and through squads.
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You keep saying this but why didn't we start the season again 2 or 4 weeks ago? We didn't have a vaccine then and we won't when we restart so whats changed?
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Nothings changed and that's why we'll always have to play with a degree of risk.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:35 amYou keep saying this but why didn't we start the season again 2 or 4 weeks ago? We didn't have a vaccine then and we won't when we restart so whats changed?
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Will Premier League Players be subject to the same 'Track and Trace' regulations as the rest of the population?
If the answer is yes then there is likely to be disruptions to the league program when 'full contract training' and 'full contact matches' are in place. Just one positive test could disrupt 4 matches.
If the answer is no (e.g. just isolate the one player infected without isolating those who he has come into close contact with) then there is possibly a moderate risk of the virus spreading between clubs and through squads.
Agreed. Until we have immunity the issue will remain with football.
Assuming that 'contact tracing' is applied to footballers, the season could still go ahead behind closed doors. The clubs would have to accept that fixtures would likely be disrupted a few times and the end date of the season would have to be unspecified. This should keep most players, their families and, whoever else they come into contact with, fairly safe.
Assuming that 'contact tracing' is not applied to footballers, the risk would be that of spreading the virus to other players. Again matches would be disrupted. If players are in close contact and the virus starts spreading between them, inevitably the next few matches would be cancelled until the club becomes virus free again.
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And listen to Chris Wilder. He's not moaning like Nigel Pearson & co.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:35 amYou keep saying this but why didn't we start the season again 2 or 4 weeks ago? We didn't have a vaccine then and we won't when we restart so whats changed?
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ing-return
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Because they weren't allowed to because of the restrictions - rightly or wrongly put in place.
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Just to be clear I am not against restarting the season. In fact I think football has set a good example about how collaboration and planning and working with other country's can work really well and as a result I think we will have football again soon and on balance it feels like the right decisionSpijed wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:44 amAnd listen to Chris Wilder. He's not moaning like Nigel Pearson & co.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ing-return
You mentioned risk and the point is there are things that as a country we can do and monitor that will reduce that level of risk (contact tracing, reduced cases, reduced R number etc). This means there is a valid argument that we might not be quite ready to go ahead now but in a couple of months things could change.
As said above I think football has done really well on this issue but my main two gripes are as follows
1 Making out its as black and white as if we dont restart now then we have to wait for the vaccine because nothing is going to change in the next 2-4 months. This is a rubbish argument and just one parroted by people desperate for it to restart to try and shut down discussion
2 The demonisation from people like you of players and clubs who are against restarting. This behaviour has seen clubs accused making up that they have people tested positive and players like Deeney attacked for having health concerns. Fortunately it looks like the people who matter haven't taken that approach and have been open to all opinions from all people directly impacted in the restart of football.
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So you think everyone has the highest integrity in football?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:00 pmThis behaviour has seen clubs accused making up that they have people tested positive
"Premier League clubs 'fear rivals may lie about coronavirus testing as warnings of heavy sanctions are issued should strict Covid-19 rules be breached'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... ssued.html
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No but there is a difference to the criticism of clubs objecting to things like neutral grounds or trying to find trivial excuses to serve their own clubs interests compared with accusing them of making up serious stuff like players having the Virus or attacking an individual player for expressing his own concerns.Spijed wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:06 pmSo you think everyone has the highest integrity in football?
"Premier League clubs 'fear rivals may lie about coronavirus testing as warnings of heavy sanctions are issued should strict Covid-19 rules be breached'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... ssued.html
How would you react if Burnley was accused of pressurising its players not to speak out about their concerns because the club is desperate for the season to restart so they don't lose out on millions of pounds income? Would you except that criticism because the principle is just the same?
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So you really think it would never happen?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:21 pmNo but there is a difference to the criticism of clubs objecting to things like neutral grounds or trying to find trivial excuses to serve their own clubs interests compared with accusing them of making up serious stuff like players having the Virus or attacking an individual player for expressing his own concerns.
How would you react if Burnley was accused of pressurising its players not to speak out about their concerns because the club is desperate for the season to restart so they don't lose out on millions of pounds income? Would you except that criticism because the principle is just the same?
"Premier League clubs could lie about stars catching coronavirus to have games called off"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-22011599
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But that's Stan Colymore and the Daily Mirror!Spijed wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:27 pmSo you really think it would never happen?
"Premier League clubs could lie about stars catching coronavirus to have games called off"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-22011599
I doubt clubs would make false claims of positive coronavirus tests, because the club doctor would have to be involved, and if the club doctor lies about medical matters he or she risks being struck off.
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It could happen but if there is a suspicion or claim it should be taken seriously and investigated. What has been happening though is that people like yourself have just jumped in and accused teams of making up players have tested positive because they are a bottom team. Surely you can see the difference and why the latter is not needed when people are trying to work in unison to make this happen?Spijed wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:27 pmSo you really think it would never happen?
"Premier League clubs could lie about stars catching coronavirus to have games called off"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-22011599
Again lets flip it and what if Brighton fans claimed that they think other players have tested positive but it is being kept secret because they don't want it to prevent the restart. Would you be happy if the Mail and Mirror just started running shock stories saying their is a cover up of footballers with Covid?
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Spijed there are some really good arguments on why football should continue and because of this it is really moving forward well and has a lot of support now.
Focus on the good arguments, be open to discussion and dont get dragged into this tabloid mentality because of your desire to see football again and because of your loyalty to the club you happen to support.
Focus on the good arguments, be open to discussion and dont get dragged into this tabloid mentality because of your desire to see football again and because of your loyalty to the club you happen to support.
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But the fact it's the bottom sides does raise question. Even in the championship the Hull city owner has said the season should be null and voided due to safety reasons.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:42 pmIt could happen but if there is a suspicion or claim it should be taken seriously and investigated. What has been happening though is that people like yourself have just jumped in and accused teams of making up players have tested positive because they are a bottom team. Surely you can see the difference and why the latter is not needed when people are trying to work in unison to make this happen?
Again lets flip it and what if Brighton fans claimed that they think other players have tested positive but it is being kept secret because they don't want it to prevent the restart. Would you be happy if the Mail and Mirror just started running shock stories saying their is a cover up of footballers with Covid?
I'll let you look at the Championship table and ask yourself whether the owner is any way remotely concerned about health and safety.
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I've tried my best to reason with you but you are just to entrenched in a position that benefits you and unable to look at the issue from a different perspective to that of your ownSpijed wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:47 pmBut the fact it's the bottom sides does raise question. Even in the championship the Hull city owner has said the season should be null and voided due to safety reasons.
I'll let you look at the Championship table and ask yourself whether the owner is any way remotely concerned about health and safety.
As previously said fortunately those involved in the restart if the Premier league are a lot more balanced and open to discussion cos if everyone was like you then it would just be complete infighting and football would get absolutely nowhere fast
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Watford's Mariappa confirms positive test
Watford defender Adrian Mariappa says he is one of three people who tested positive for coronavirus at the English club.
He told the Telegraph: "It's quite scary how you can feel absolutely fine and not really have left the house, and yet still get the virus.
"If it wasn't for the fact I had gone back to training and had this test, then I'd never have found out that I had the virus."
On Tuesday, it was announced there had been six positive tests across three Premier League clubs.
The Premier League has been suspended since 13 March because of the Covid-19 pandemic, with 92 fixtures remaining.
The league had previously identified 12 June for matches to possibly start again but there is now an expectation this will need to be pushed back.
I'll be surprised if the PL starts on 12 June,and the longer it's pushed back the harder it becomes to fit all the fixtures into the tight time scale.
Watford defender Adrian Mariappa says he is one of three people who tested positive for coronavirus at the English club.
He told the Telegraph: "It's quite scary how you can feel absolutely fine and not really have left the house, and yet still get the virus.
"If it wasn't for the fact I had gone back to training and had this test, then I'd never have found out that I had the virus."
On Tuesday, it was announced there had been six positive tests across three Premier League clubs.
The Premier League has been suspended since 13 March because of the Covid-19 pandemic, with 92 fixtures remaining.
The league had previously identified 12 June for matches to possibly start again but there is now an expectation this will need to be pushed back.
I'll be surprised if the PL starts on 12 June,and the longer it's pushed back the harder it becomes to fit all the fixtures into the tight time scale.
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A 'bad case scenario' in the Mexican league in which eight players from one club have tested positive.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/eight-s ... s70r0wo2ta
This is what could happen at one of our clubs if 'contact tracing' is waved. If the infection spreads through a Premier League club in this way the authorities could cancel the whole season - especially if it happens at more than one club.
If 'contact tracing' is in place when the season resumes it is likely to mess the fixtures up a bit and cause a few delays but would be much safer for the players, staff and their families. It would also make the 'Santos Laguna type club infection' less likely.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/eight-s ... s70r0wo2ta
This is what could happen at one of our clubs if 'contact tracing' is waved. If the infection spreads through a Premier League club in this way the authorities could cancel the whole season - especially if it happens at more than one club.
If 'contact tracing' is in place when the season resumes it is likely to mess the fixtures up a bit and cause a few delays but would be much safer for the players, staff and their families. It would also make the 'Santos Laguna type club infection' less likely.
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Yesterday's ONS figures say that testing evidence up until Sunday show that even those in daily contact with people with Covid19 had the same chance of being infected as the general tested population.
0.24% of the 2,500,000 tests up to 17th May showed positive for having, or having had been, infected with the virus.
Other ONS figures show that almost 2/3rds of all serious care cases and more than half of all Covid19 indicated deaths (i.e mentioned on death certificate) have been of people over the age of 80 - meaning that the actual risks to players is low.
0.24% of the 2,500,000 tests up to 17th May showed positive for having, or having had been, infected with the virus.
Other ONS figures show that almost 2/3rds of all serious care cases and more than half of all Covid19 indicated deaths (i.e mentioned on death certificate) have been of people over the age of 80 - meaning that the actual risks to players is low.
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Watford
Two more players self-isolating because family members have tested positive.
Are they trying it on?
Are they trying it on?
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No, I suspect they’re very much telling the truth.
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And I think this just underlines how difficult it will be to complete this current season. Getting one fixture/round of fixtures completed looks pretty forlorn at the moment. Another 8 just appears virtually impossible.
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An entire team had to go into quarantine in Germany but they carried onSilkyskills1 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:58 pmAnd I think this just underlines how difficult it will be to complete this current season. Getting one fixture/round of fixtures completed looks pretty forlorn at the moment. Another 8 just appears virtually impossible.
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60 men between the ages of 20 and 34 have died with coronavirus, and most of them had other serious illnesses. We are not talking high risk here.
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Who? What? Where?huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:13 pmTwo more players self-isolating because family members have tested positive.
Are they trying it on?
Link please.
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You have got that wrong.
"Two-week isolation means Dresden cannot play next week."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... d-covid-19
"Entire German club in quarantine and ask for games to be suspended".
https://onefootball.com/en/news/entire- ... d-29446686
"Following two positive coronavirus tests, the 2. Bundesliga side have announced they will not be able to fulfill their fixture against Hannover. German football authorities were given a warning that restarting activities may prove far from straightforward after Dynamo Dresden were forced to place their entire first-team squad under lockdown".
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/german- ... pb0fi1y6t7
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Thanks a lot. It looks like Watford are having a lot of difficulties.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 8:42 amhttps://www.skysports.com/football/news ... oronavirus
I never thought of that problem before. If 'contact tracing' reveals that a player has come into contact with an infectee outside the club, the player will need to isolate.
The link also says that several Watford players have stayed away from training.
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I'm expecting a fair few West Ham players to suddenly need to self-isolate soon and ask for the season to be cancelled, again.
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There is a new antigen test that might be available in a few weeks time. It only takes twenty minutes to get the results.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52762153
If all players and staff take the test half an hour before kick off it can be established that both squads are clear at that point in time. If a test is then taken two or three days later and a player is tested positive, only that player and whoever he has come into contact with since the match will need to isolate. The rest of the squad and the other team should not need to isolate.
Perhaps this test could be adopted and training, up to the point at which the next antigen test is taken, could be done in very small groups (2 or three players). If the next antigen test is positive only the small group of players would need to isolate. The next match wouldn't be interrupted.
The downside is that if a player tests positive half an hour before the match, the match would be off and the TV company would have to quickly re-schedule.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52762153
If all players and staff take the test half an hour before kick off it can be established that both squads are clear at that point in time. If a test is then taken two or three days later and a player is tested positive, only that player and whoever he has come into contact with since the match will need to isolate. The rest of the squad and the other team should not need to isolate.
Perhaps this test could be adopted and training, up to the point at which the next antigen test is taken, could be done in very small groups (2 or three players). If the next antigen test is positive only the small group of players would need to isolate. The next match wouldn't be interrupted.
The downside is that if a player tests positive half an hour before the match, the match would be off and the TV company would have to quickly re-schedule.
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Apologies. I meant the league carried on.UnderSeige wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 8:34 amYou have got that wrong.
"Two-week isolation means Dresden cannot play next week."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... d-covid-19
"Entire German club in quarantine and ask for games to be suspended".
https://onefootball.com/en/news/entire- ... d-29446686
"Following two positive coronavirus tests, the 2. Bundesliga side have announced they will not be able to fulfill their fixture against Hannover. German football authorities were given a warning that restarting activities may prove far from straightforward after Dynamo Dresden were forced to place their entire first-team squad under lockdown".
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/german- ... pb0fi1y6t7
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Two more tested positive .
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Here or Germany?
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2 more positive test from another 996
That’s 0.2 % a pretty good result I would have thought
That’s 0.2 % a pretty good result I would have thought
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Which team??
Mind you, considering many teams use their squads for FA cup matches & the League cup there'll be no excuse for not doing the same in the league.
If the Championship and the other top leagues * in Europe can manage to get re-started there's no reason why the Prem can't.
* French league doesn't count as they are used to surrendering!
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It doesn't say,check out sky sports news .
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The Premier League have said that clubs and individuals won’t be named but we chose to confirm Ian Woan while Watford revealed they’d had three. Adrian Mariappa himself confirmed he was one to test positive.
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Looks like one of them is another Bournemouth Player.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 11:06 pmThe Premier League have said that clubs and individuals won’t be named but we chose to confirm Ian Woan while Watford revealed they’d had three. Adrian Mariappa himself confirmed he was one to test positive.
"Bournemouth player one of two new positives." BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52785438
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"Contact training in elite sports could get government approval 'later this week'" - BBC.
"Dowden also said he thought there could be a "win-win situation" regarding the broadcasting plans for the rest of the Premier League season, with some games shown free-to-air".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52747574
"Dowden also said he thought there could be a "win-win situation" regarding the broadcasting plans for the rest of the Premier League season, with some games shown free-to-air".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52747574
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Bournemouth have confirmed it but said the player won't be named due to medical confidentialityUnderSeige wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:58 amLooks like one of them is another Bournemouth Player.
"Bournemouth player one of two new positives." BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52785438
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It's all " could" though,never anything positive like " will start "UnderSeige wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:01 pm"Contact training in elite sports could get government approval 'later this week'" - BBC.
"Dowden also said he thought there could be a "win-win situation" regarding the broadcasting plans for the rest of the Premier League season, with some games shown free-to-air".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52747574
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"Project Restart in ‘jeopardy’ if a number of players test positive for coronavirus" .
"TOM CLEVERLEY warns Project Restart is in “jeopardy” if a host of players test positive for Covid-19 in the next phase. And Hornets midfielder Cleverley insisted: “Phase one is as safe as going to the supermarket. But in phase two, you could be rubbing shoulders with 15, 20 guys on the same day. So if we get into phase two and there’s a sudden spike in positive cases, that puts the whole thing in jeopardy".
"The Prem wanted to return to action on June 12 but there is a general acceptance that a week later is more likely. And now some coaches want more time which would push the timetable of games right up to Uefa’s August 3 deadline".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... t-warning/
"TOM CLEVERLEY warns Project Restart is in “jeopardy” if a host of players test positive for Covid-19 in the next phase. And Hornets midfielder Cleverley insisted: “Phase one is as safe as going to the supermarket. But in phase two, you could be rubbing shoulders with 15, 20 guys on the same day. So if we get into phase two and there’s a sudden spike in positive cases, that puts the whole thing in jeopardy".
"The Prem wanted to return to action on June 12 but there is a general acceptance that a week later is more likely. And now some coaches want more time which would push the timetable of games right up to Uefa’s August 3 deadline".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... t-warning/
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Stan Collymore arguing that PFA need to sort out players to ensure that either they are all available or the Premiership should seriously consider whether the season should go ahead.
"The PFA is one of, if not the, wealthiest unions in the world, and its chief executive should be coming out this week and telling its members they will pay whatever it takes to employ the most senior medical officer in the country below Jonathan Van-Tam and Jenny Harries. And by mid-June, they must present the results of their findings to the players so they can know one way or the other whether it is safe for them to start playing again".
"If the doctors believe there is a serious risk of infection to any of them we will need to consider things very seriously".
"And if we find out that BAME players are more at risk than their peers then the Premier League is going to have to have a conversation about whether or not to proceed."
"If the results of such an investigation come back and say that the protocols and procedures in place mean that, on the balance of probabilities, playing football is as safe as, say, going to the supermarket or petrol station, then we must press ahead".
"While clubs might still offer players such as Deeney or Kante a further week or two’s grace, if they still don’t want to play after that then there would be a legitimate argument that they are in breach of their contracts and fines could be imposed".
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-22077034
Can't help but wonder if 'the most senior medical officer in the country' has better things to do at this time but the idea sounds good.
"The PFA is one of, if not the, wealthiest unions in the world, and its chief executive should be coming out this week and telling its members they will pay whatever it takes to employ the most senior medical officer in the country below Jonathan Van-Tam and Jenny Harries. And by mid-June, they must present the results of their findings to the players so they can know one way or the other whether it is safe for them to start playing again".
"If the doctors believe there is a serious risk of infection to any of them we will need to consider things very seriously".
"And if we find out that BAME players are more at risk than their peers then the Premier League is going to have to have a conversation about whether or not to proceed."
"If the results of such an investigation come back and say that the protocols and procedures in place mean that, on the balance of probabilities, playing football is as safe as, say, going to the supermarket or petrol station, then we must press ahead".
"While clubs might still offer players such as Deeney or Kante a further week or two’s grace, if they still don’t want to play after that then there would be a legitimate argument that they are in breach of their contracts and fines could be imposed".
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-22077034
Can't help but wonder if 'the most senior medical officer in the country' has better things to do at this time but the idea sounds good.
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Re: Positives tests among Premier League players/staff
Two tests in the Championship at the same club, all other tests negative. The Championship will start back this coming week
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Someone posted a few days back that there was some 'light at the end of the tunnel'. Can't see it from my perspective though I would love to be proved wrong. Just so many obstacles to overcome especially within a limited time frame.
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The problem is that the virus is highly transmissible. Football is a contact sport. The virus spreads when human beings come into contact with one another. It is very difficult to play football and for players not to come into contact with each each other.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 1:14 pmSomeone posted a few days back that there was some 'light at the end of the tunnel'. Can't see it from my perspective though I would love to be proved wrong. Just so many obstacles to overcome especially within a limited time frame.
https://www.uchealth.org/today/viruses- ... -fight-it/
At the current time there is no guarantee that players will not become infected. All that can be done is to try to identify those with the virus and quarantine them so that they will not spread it. This is not easily done.
If failure to quarantine those infected occurs, other players will become infected. There will be a threshold of infections at which the authorities will end the season prematurely.
If the clubs successfully quarantine those infected then perhaps a few fixtures will need to be postponed but eventually the season will end. A significant degree of flexibility will need to be imposed with regards to rescheduling fixtures. Also teams may have to accept that they may need to play some matches 'under strength'. The end date of the season will not be able to be specified.
Underlying all of this is the danger that a player, member of staff or family member could catch the virus and go on to the critical stage with permanent health implications or even fatality.
The main question that I would ask is - 'is it all worth it or would it be better to wait a few months'?