Little Britain

[Rileybobs]

I think the gist of this argument is if there had been a MOWO (not that there is such a thing..i don't think) awards first..how would that have been perceived? Excluding black artists perhaps? This is the sort of can of worms all this is going to bring up. It is quite ridiculous of course..but pertinent.

The MOBO awards don’t exclude white artists. There’s no such thing as the MOWO awards so we don’t need to imagine how they would be perceived. There are however plenty of music awards that celebrate music genres pioneered by white people.

We really shouldn’t be worried about opening up a can of worms. If you want to watch content that the BBC or Netflix have decided is not suitable for broadcasting by today’s standards you’ll be able to find it. In the same way that I’m sure you can find Bernard Manning videos which were no doubt seen as a bit of harmless fun not too long ago.

[NewClaret]

Mainly remember Andy, the only gay in the village and the naked fat, rich white woman sketches. Didn’t even remember they’d portrayed black people until the BBC plastered it over their website.

Ludicrous that this type of comedy can take the p*** out of disabled, homosexuals and the obese, but not black people.

No fuss made - just the BBC doing it for fear of accusation of racism, presumably? World has gone mad.

[Rileybobs]

Ludicrous that this type of comedy can take the p*** out of disabled, homosexuals and the obese, but not black people.

It can’t. They are all reasons why it’s been pulled.

[NewClaret]

It can’t. They are all reasons why it’s been pulled.

Very curious timing during a BLM campaign if these were significant factors.

[Stanbill05]

Of all the things to worry about at the moment, this won’t make the list for me. It hasn’t aged well and was always a bit ****.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Nothing is safe from these sandal wearing lunatics

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[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Not racist in any way but the blackface campaigners really tick me off. In 99% of cases it's a tribute and in no way derogatory.
Watched Gandhi a couple of days ago. Will that now be banned as the brilliant Sir Ben Kingsley has obviously blacked up?
If I go to a fancy dress as Jimi Hendrix and where a wig but don’t blackface am I being hairist?

[evensteadiereddie]

Yes !
No !
Maybe !

[Blackrod]

Not racist in any way but the blackface campaigners really tick me off. In 99% of cases it's a tribute and in no way derogatory.
Watched Gandhi a couple of days ago. Will that now be banned as the brilliant Sir Ben Kingsley has obviously blacked up?
If I go to a fancy dress as Jimi Hendrix and where a wig but don’t blackface am I being hairist?

If you are depicting a historic or public figure it cannot be offensive to make yourself look like that character. To say it can’t be played by a ‘white’ man/ woman would be racism.

[Billy Balfour]

No more blackface. Our lives will never be the same again.

[Goobs]

Genuinely interested to know if the Wayans Brothers film White Chicks has been pulled owing to the fact it has two Black actors portraying White women?

[Goobs]

It looks like it may not be on Netflix any longer (if it was there in the first place)

[Funkydrummer]

"Gone With The Wind" been temporarily pulled from HBO Max.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... south.html

[Billy Balfour]

I know I've taken the pee on this thread and this is because the Permanently Angry are all over this, but in all honesty, you have to wonder where all this will end up.

Netflix has taken down The League of Gentlemen. The BBC hasn't and it's not like there isn't anywhere else to view this stuff, however, it's hardly the point. And yes, some people do get offended by blackface, mainly because of its history, but offended by Papa Lazarou?

Thing is, the Bristol slaver statue should have been taken down long ago and not by an angry demo in the middle of a pandemic. I've criticised the VE parties and those who flooded to crowded beaches along with those who don't think the lockdown rules apply to them - so the same goes for demos where social-distancing is impossible.

Anyway, all this has now taken on a life of its own and it looks like we're embarking on a kneejerk banning crusade. Not a good thing, no matter where you stand on the political spectrum.

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

"Gone With The Wind" been temporarily pulled from HBO Max.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... south.html

Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

offended by Papa Lazarou?

I was offended by Papa Lazarou cos it wasn’t funny. Ruined the show.

[Claretincraven]

What about the rastafarian hats with dreadlocks? Will they be next?

[Devils_Advocate]

I know I've taken the pee on this thread and this is because the Permanently Angry are all over this, but in all honesty, you have to wonder where all this will end up.

Netflix has taken down The League of Gentlemen. The BBC hasn't and it's not like there isn't anywhere else to view this stuff, however, it's hardly the point. And yes, some people do get offended by blackface, mainly because of its history, but offended by Papa Lazarou?

Thing is, the Bristol slaver statue should have been taken down long ago and not by an angry demo in the middle of a pandemic. I've criticised the VE parties and those who flooded to crowded beaches along with those who don't think the lockdown rules apply to them - so the same goes for demos where social-distancing is impossible.

Anyway, all this has now taken on a life of its own and it looks like we're embarking on a kneejerk banning crusade. Not a good thing, no matter where you stand on the political spectrum.

Like anything it will be silly season for a short while but when it settles down we will be in a better place.

Its like in football when the backpass rule was introduced. For the first season anything that came off a defender was given as a backpass and it was stupid but once we got used to it and things settled down the rule worked fine and I dont think anyone would go back to the old way

Also you've got to look on the bright side that whilst silly season is ongoing we get to see all the bedwetters on here bang on about the MOBO's and White Chicks

[Blackrod]

Regardless of when they were made should all films that don’t clearly depict Confederates in the civil war as wrong be pulled ? Should all films that don’t clearly depict Germans in WW2 as wrong be pulled ? It’s a slippery road trying to erase history and distort things that were if a particular time.

[Steve1956]

I was offended by Papa Lazarou cos it wasn’t funny. Ruined the show.

The greatest character in British comedy history....bar none.

[Steve1956]

What about the rastafarian hats with dreadlocks? Will they be next?

And tam a shanters with ginger wigs

[evensteadiereddie]

The greatest character in British comedy history....bar none.

[karatekid]

I bet the Dukes of Hazard has seen its final airing. Shame 'cos I loved that General Lee car.

[Gp8419]

I am just glad I lived my youth when I did,it gets worse,didn't rio Ferdinand call Ashley cole a 'choc ice' once! It's all one sided all this!

[karatekid]

Can you be racist for saying something about someone who is the same skin colour as yourself? But yes I do remember the choc ice comment.

[evensteadiereddie]

I bet the Dukes of Hazard has seen its final airing. Shame 'cos I loved that General Lee car.

That's all you took from that show ?

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[Zlatan]

One hopes that Rab C Nesbitt has also seen it's last airing, not because its racist but because its sh1t

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

The greatest character in British comedy history....bar none.

Horses for courses, Steve. We’ll agree to disagree.

[Steve1956]

Horses for courses, Steve. We’ll agree to disagree.

No worries buddy.

[tiger76]

Regardless of when they were made should all films that don’t clearly depict Confederates in the civil war as wrong be pulled ? Should all films that don’t clearly depict Germans in WW2 as wrong be pulled ? It’s a slippery road trying to erase history and distort things that were if a particular time.

That's my worry once you start a crusade such as this, it can quickly descend into a free for all.

There's an argument to be made for equal treatment for BAME people, never liked the term, but it's the usual description used.

However whether pulling all the historical films/tv that might now not be deemed politically correct is the best way to make this argument, i have my doubts.

For the record I've watched snippets of LB, and i only remember the gay character and the guy in the wheelchair. So either my memories fading with old age, or the other creations weren't very good.

I've never watched GWTW, but i am aware of the controversy surrounding Hattie McDaniel's treatment during the ensuing Oscars. Yes she was the first African American to win an Oscar, but during the ceremony she wasn't allowed to sit at the top table, unlike her white colleagues and fellow nominees.

She was seated some distance away, bit strange that for someone who was hotly tipped to pick up an award, don't you think.

[NottsClaret]

Seems a bit weird now, how relatively recent Little Britain was and particularly that it was on the BBC.

Fine to pull it, never much of a fan anyway. On a more general note, it's easy to pull down statues and remove TV shows and it's broadly welcomed. I wonder where we go with literature. There's thousands of far more extreme and unpleasant historical examples of unpalatable views from the past in books, but banning books just feels totally wrong.

[Rileybobs]

Seems a bit weird now, how relatively recent Little Britain was and particularly that it was on the BBC.

Fine to pull it, never much of a fan anyway. On a more general note, it's easy to pull down statues and remove TV shows and it's broadly welcomed. I wonder where we go with literature. There's thousands of far more extreme and unpleasant historical examples of unpalatable views from the past in books, but banning books just feels totally wrong.

Bear in mind that the films aren’t being banned. They are just not being shown by certain media platforms or broadcasters. Obviously Waterstones, for example, could stop selling certain books which would be their prerogative. But these things will still be available for consumption by other means.

[evensteadiereddie]

Exactly !

[tiger76]

Seems a bit weird now, how relatively recent Little Britain was and particularly that it was on the BBC.

Fine to pull it, never much of a fan anyway. On a more general note, it's easy to pull down statues and remove TV shows and it's broadly welcomed. I wonder where we go with literature. There's thousands of far more extreme and unpleasant historical examples of unpalatable views from the past in books, but banning books just feels totally wrong.

To Kill A Mockingbird is an obvious example of literature which divides opinion just off the top of my head.

I've never read it, so can't speak from my viewpoint, but to some it's the epitome of a great American novel, well others bring up the constant use of racial epithets.

This one example alone shows how difficult it would be to modernise or ban literature, and i'm sure there's many more, but surely that's the point of literature to spark discussion, if it's robbed of it's aspect to shock, then it's impact is greatly reduced.

[Billy Balfour]

Looking back I don't think LB was all that good. I only remember Lou & Andy, The Only Gay in the Village and the yeah-but-no-but chav girl. I don't remember any of the 'blackface' characters and this is probably because they weren't funny or well-written. Or maybe that kind of thing was already old hat and a bit dull. If I Googled I most likely would remember them, but I'm taking off the top of my head, so to speak.

[NottsClaret]

To Kill A Mockingbird is an obvious example of literature which divides opinion just off the top of my head.

I've never read it, so can't speak from my viewpoint, but to some it's the epitome of a great American novel, well others bring up the constant use of racial epithets.

This one example alone shows how difficult it would be to modernise or ban literature, and i'm sure there's many more, but surely that's the point of literature to spark discussion, if it's robbed of it's aspect to shock, then it's impact is greatly reduced.

That's the one we all read at school in the late 80s. It's a while since I read it, but from what I recall, it's one every kid should still be reading.

Surely we can't take 'art' out of circulation because of the language used, all about context. There's a scene from Little House on the Prairie which will probably never be aired again, but it's such a telling clip about race it's almost a shame.

[Greenmile]

To Kill A Mockingbird is an obvious example of literature which divides opinion just off the top of my head.

I've never read it, so can't speak from my viewpoint, but to some it's the epitome of a great American novel, well others bring up the constant use of racial epithets.

This one example alone shows how difficult it would be to modernise or ban literature, and i'm sure there's many more, but surely that's the point of literature to spark discussion, if it's robbed of it's aspect to shock, then it's impact is greatly reduced.

They manage to modernise Agatha Christie’s “And then there were none” ok, though I’m sure there are people on here who would prefer it retained its original title and would have been complaining about censorship at the time (1940-ish, I believe).

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

HBO have an announced GoneWith The Wind will be returned to their roster once they have put together a context explainer to be air with it.

[IanMcL]

Given the content of Little Britain, I, like others, fail to see why it is references to a black person which sees the programme removed.

The whole thing is offensive, to someone. That's the nature of such a programme.

Next,, they will be banning Spitting Image, for poor treatment of that evil bag, thatcherwoman!

Award one minute, banned the next? Pathetic.

[Guitargeorge]

I’m white, straight and a Burnley supporter. I’ll be the next to go!

[martin_p]

HBO have an announced GoneWith The Wind will be returned to their roster once they have put together a context explainer to be air with it.

Am I still allowed to be in a rage about a film I’ve seen once and will probably never watch again then? Asking for a friend.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I’m white, straight and a Burnley supporter. I’ll be the next to go!

The only grouping that other folk are allowed to make fun of.

Unless someone in the group has depression, then it's a big no no.

[tiger76]

They manage to modernise Agatha Christie’s “And then there were none” ok, though I’m sure there are people on here who would prefer it retained its original title and would have been complaining about censorship at the time (1940-ish, I believe).

Yes and the comedy thread reminded me that the early OFAH were edited in later showings, mainly due to the racialist language as i recall.

I'm not against tweaking classic works here and there, if it doesn't distort the message or the context of the original.

Obviously it's much easier to cut a scene or two from a movie or TV show, then it is republishing entire works of literature.

The interesting aspect is that both the UK and the US have enjoyed liberties and freedom of speech/freedom of expression for over a 150 years.

Whereas many countries including many European countries have lived under some form of censorship/totalitarian governments in that time, or been under the rule of colonial powers in those times.

So it's alien to both western powers to think about any form of censorship/state control as it's not in our nature.

Slightly off topic, but this was one of the reasons the UK government hesitated about introducing lockdown measures, as no sitting PM wants to be seen curbing our freedoms, especially in peacetime.

[Zlatan]

I’m starting a campaign to get Ben Hur removed from any channels because it depicts slaves in Romans times

[Blackrod]

I’m starting a campaign to get Ben Hur removed from any channels because it depicts slaves in Romans times

I was thinking of this film. Romans forced people to be gladiators that they had captured from other colonies including ‘blacks’. Let’s knock down the Coloseum and ban holidays to Italy and see if that helps.

As for Little Britain it is not finger pointing at someone and saying they are wrong for being a different race or gender they are just character exhagerrations that are ridiculous. The joke with Andy and Lou is not because one is disabled it’s because of the deception. Whilst they might do it differently now you could argue it’s more inclusive portraying such diverse characters. Similarly Matt Lucas is hardly having a go at gays with the Daffyd character but just showing what a ridiculous character he is. Far too much finger pointing going on and looking for things to be offended about by Libtards and paranoia by the BBC.

[Squarepusher]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Cringeworthy drivel.

[tiger76]

Somebody dropped a b**llock at FB, how on earth can you label the Specials as racist, they were the archetypal anti-racist band, as were all the 2 Tone artists, this is the ignorance we're dealing with https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c ... -52992946

The pages have now been reinstated, but still a nonsense they were removed in the 1st place.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Cringeworthy drivel.

My thoughts exactly. Never found it remotely funny.

[Stayingup]

Tarmac will be white soon

And what colour will snow Have to be?

[Stayingup]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Cringeworthy drivel.

Not really the point is it?