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Using Sadiq Khans logic, topple the Statue of Liberty. She doesn't represent modern day America. Get it ripped down now!
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Auschwitz is now a museum, and it's history is rightly left on display for the world to see that the atrocities committed their were barbaric.
That's where these statues & memorials should end up, by all means do it in the proper manner, and don't just allow members of the public to haul them down.
One thing that might come out of all this is the British public might become more aware of our history, and some of it doesn't make pretty reading, but it happened and there's no point sugarcoating the actions of these individuals.
I'll be honest i considered myself fairly well informed about history, as i watch a lot of factual TV programming, but most of these figures that are being discussed I've never heard off, our only know by name, if this episode helps bring them and their past both good and bad to a wider audience all the better.
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This seem fair enough to me, these men(and it is mainly men) did a lot of good work, but equally their sins can't be erased from history, and nor should they be, but they were people of their time, and you'd hope society has progressed to understand why they shouldn't be publicly exalted as heroes.Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:18 amSome of these statues are long overdue to be taken down. Let’s by all means keep them in museums with clear historical account of their achievements. But surely we know enough now to stop the public commendation of people who were involved in the slave trade, murderers and Nazi sympathisers.
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You raise an important point, and no neither were perfect by any means, Mandela in particular has blood on his hands, and yet he's held up as a hero figure by many on the left, if we're going to have a proper debate about these monuments, then yes Mandela is definitely one that deserves serious scrutiny, Ghandi i don't now enough about to comment, but if we're going to have a serious academic public discourse, then yes by all means let's widen it out to include figures such as him.
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I am well aware of brown against black, but it rarely seems to be aired. It is virtually white against the rest. I have certainly been the but of racism by blacks against me when along with 3 other white men we strayed into a black are of Frisco some years ago-but that doesn't count.
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I hope Greta Thunberg doesn’t get involved in this, it could seriously tip some people on here over the edge.
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They'll run out of bedsheets to wet....
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There is an opportunity to regenerate a large brownfield industrial site and put all these statues in a proper perspective- you could have an different areas for slavers, mill owners, mine owners, nazi sympathisers, rovers fans and general “bad eggs” - it would be like a big Venn diagram with someone like Churchill (racist, slave money, exploiter of the poor, war criminal, mass murderer etc in the middle and you could have various “avenues of atrocities” branching off.
Charge a tenner to get in and make it a compulsory year 8 or 9 school trip and you’d be quads in and doing a public service (just do t let them build a statue to you!)
Charge a tenner to get in and make it a compulsory year 8 or 9 school trip and you’d be quads in and doing a public service (just do t let them build a statue to you!)
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The far left sre the new far right.
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I’m amazed that some people can’t differentiate between a prominent statue in a public place celebrating somebody’s life and a historical building such as The Colosseum, or the remains of a concentration camp which is now a museum. You must be really really dim.
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Years of indoctrination in schools and universities have spawned the intolerant crazed mob of empty headed unthinking witchfinders we are currently enduring. Egged on by a media who are also products of the same orthodoxy.
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It seems you misunderstand!Rileybobs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:57 pmI’m amazed that some people can’t differentiate between a prominent statue in a public place celebrating somebody’s life and a historical building such as The Colosseum, or the remains of a concentration camp which is now a museum. You must be really really dim.
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Mighty Boosh gone.
League of gentlemen. Gone.
League of gentlemen. Gone.
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Duke's of Hazzard has to go , i mean driving around in a car called " The General Lee "
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Supreme irony.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:58 pmYears of indoctrination in schools and universities have spawned the intolerant crazed mob of empty headed unthinking witchfinders we are currently enduring. Egged on by a media who are also products of the same orthodoxy.
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Not sure blonde is a race?RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:50 pmLegally Blonde, White men Can't jump. Oh sorry that's not how we do "racist slurs" that are humorous.
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Bang on.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:58 pmYears of indoctrination in schools and universities have spawned the intolerant crazed mob of empty headed unthinking witchfinders we are currently enduring. Egged on by a media who are also products of the same orthodoxy.
And the Guardian , funded by the illgotten gains of its founder , John Edward Taylor's black cotton slave derived funds are one of the instigator of this far left ,increasingly violent, mob.
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If they pull down Nelson's column , we'll have to rename that town between Brierfield and Colne !!
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Don’t even go there!! There are enough pubs that are going to need Rena I got as it is.expoultryboy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:55 pmIf they pull down Nelson's column , we'll have to rename that town between Brierfield and Colne !!
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It's not. But as far as I'm aware, there will be exceptions that the usual gaggle of Ringophiles will be desperately and frantically trying to unearth, its unique to the white race. And the word "bimbo" is invariably aimed at blonde white women. A derogatory term uniquely aimed at white women and girls.
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Nelson's Column , hey there was one in Dublin and the IRA blew it up ......... Maybe they were ahead of their timeexpoultryboy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:55 pmIf they pull down Nelson's column , we'll have to rename that town between Brierfield and Colne !!
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They could change it back to its original name of Marsden. No need to erase history, just revert to a previous name. Bit like a divorce.expoultryboy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:55 pmIf they pull down Nelson's column , we'll have to rename that town between Brierfield and Colne !!
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. -Orwell, 1984
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Perhaps climate change will result in an almighty storm to topple all of the statues?
Gone with the wind.
Gone with the wind.
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I’ve seen more and more of this over the past month, this bizarre desire to blame everything on universities.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:58 pmYears of indoctrination in schools and universities have spawned the intolerant crazed mob of empty headed unthinking witchfinders we are currently enduring. Egged on by a media who are also products of the same orthodoxy.
Presumably some specific website or news source is pushing this?
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ktclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:18 pmEvery record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. -Orwell, 1984
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell.
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Some people still don’t understand the difference between celebrating a slave trader and living with inanimate objects with some connection to the slave trade.
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So what are your thoughts about the numerous Roman generals, gentry and noble men who have been excavated and take pride of place throughout Rome. Bearing in mind they will have all been steeped in slavery and racism as well as making our own 'shameful' ancient history pale in to insignificance in comparison, should they now all be removed along with any statues of say the ancient Pharos in Egypt? Just curious like.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:57 pmI’m amazed that some people can’t differentiate between a prominent statue in a public place celebrating somebody’s life and a historical building such as The Colosseum, or the remains of a concentration camp which is now a museum. You must be really really dim.
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I didn’t comment on whether the statues should remain or not, I pointed out how utterly thick you must have to be to compare a statue of somebody with a historical building that served a barbaric purpose, or a road built by slaves.bpgburn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:09 pmSo what are your thoughts about the numerous Roman generals, gentry and noble men who have been excavated and take pride of place throughout Rome. Bearing in mind they will have all been steeped in slavery and racism as well as making our own 'shameful' ancient history pale in to insignificance in comparison, should they now all be removed along with any statues of say the ancient Pharos in Egypt? Just curious like.
In terms of the Roman statues, I’m not sure. I suppose this poses the question how far back do you go. What I would say is that people are well educated on the good and bad history of the Roman Empire, more so than some slave traders who might have historical significance to certain towns and cities in the U.K.
You raise a good point though. For example, should tributes to Jimmy Saville have been removed upon the revelations about his child abuse? That is very recent, the Roman Empire was a very long time ago, most of the U.K. statues proposed for removal are somewhere in the middle.
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I think you see what I see this situation we find ourselves in was predicted by several the latest being former headmaster Ray Honeyford in 1984, google him.
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A bimbo is an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:02 pmIt's not. But as far as I'm aware, there will be exceptions that the usual gaggle of Ringophiles will be desperately and frantically trying to unearth, its unique to the white race. And the word "bimbo" is invariably aimed at blonde white women. A derogatory term uniquely aimed at white women and girls.
If you are of the sort that calls a woman a bimbo it isn’t because of the colour of her skin. You picked the wrong film for your example, you were probably thinking of White Chicks.
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Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:51 pmA bimbo is an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman.
If you are of the sort that calls a woman a bimbo it isn’t because of the colour of her skin. You picked the wrong film for your example, you were probably thinking of White Chicks.
1, your definition confirms it's a pejorative.
2, I definitely dont use the derogatory term and I find its use is exclusively aimed at white women.
3, if I got the wrong film and another film portrays white blonde women as unintelligent fair enough. However it's worth looking at the synopsis of legally blonde from wiki
"Elle Woods (Reese Witherspoon) has it all. She wants nothing more than to be Mrs. Warner Huntington III. But there is one thing stopping him (Matthew Davis) from proposing: She is too blond. Elle rallies all of her resources and gets into Harvard, determined to win him back.
Elle's boyfriend breaks up with her for a smarter girl as he plans to become a politician and joins Harward law school. "
"Too blond" ? Really!? Not "smart" enough? Lazy racist stereotypes should be outed for what they are. Blond lives matter.
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Saville was committing acts which everybody knew were illegal and abhorrent. Slavers were committing acts which were legal and were not widely believed to be different. There is a very significant difference. In fact, the comparison is so odd that you would need to be utterly [hang on, be careful what I say here] to make it.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:33 pm... utterly thick ...
You raise a good point though. For example, should tributes to Jimmy Saville have been removed upon the revelations about his child abuse? That is very recent, the Roman Empire was a very long time ago, most of the U.K. statues proposed for removal are somewhere in the middle.
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Yes! and i thought they had, and maybe that's now the case, but it wasn't the case in 2012.https://www.nme.com/news/music/gary-glitter-11-1269397
Double standards from the Beeb, well! i never.
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But I think you're missing a fairly important point here. Many of the statues that we are talking about (notably Colston) were erected a long time after slavery had been abolished and when it had been clearly established that slavery was abhorrent. So in that sense it's not much different to Saville. Had it been erected during his lifetime when slavery was a common practice then it might be looked upon rather differently. (That doesn't mean by the way that I think it would be fine if it had been erected during his lifetime, but it would have been an entirely different context.)dsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:21 pmSaville was committing acts which everybody knew were illegal and abhorrent. Slavers were committing acts which were legal and were not widely believed to be different. There is a very significant difference. In fact, the comparison is so odd that you would need to be utterly [hang on, be careful what I say here] to make it.
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It's not just Colston. It's Gladstone, Baden Powell, Churchill, Gandhi, Queen Victoria. They're after everybody who doesn't share all the modern "correct" views.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:39 pmBut I think you're missing a fairly important point here. Many of the statues that we are talking about (notably Colston) were erected a long time after slavery had been abolished and when it had been clearly established that slavery was abhorrent. So in that sense it's not much different to Saville. Had it been erected during his lifetime when slavery was a common practice then it might be looked upon rather differently. (That doesn't mean by the way that I think it would be fine if it had been erected during his lifetime, but it would have been an entirely different context.)
I dare say there will be people saying tear down Emmeline Pankhurst's statue because she opposed homosexuality. It has already got nearly that silly.
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Some of the suggestions are hysterical, yes there's a debate to be had about certain prominent public figures of times past, and some of their actions don't stand up to scrutiny, even in their own time period.dsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:48 pmIt's not just Colston. It's Gladstone, Baden Powell, Churchill, Gandhi, Queen Victoria. They're after everybody who doesn't share all the modern "correct" views.
I dare say there will be people saying tear down Emmeline Pankhurst's statue because she opposed homosexuality. It has already got nearly that silly.
But as always the left push it too the daft extremes, and diminish their arguments.
JK Rowling in the firing line now, for apparently being transphobic https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53002557
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Basically what nil_d said. I used Saville as the opposite extreme example as statues from Ancient Rome.dsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:21 pmSaville was committing acts which everybody knew were illegal and abhorrent. Slavers were committing acts which were legal and were not widely believed to be different. There is a very significant difference. In fact, the comparison is so odd that you would need to be utterly [hang on, be careful what I say here] to make it.
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Are we going to have to start this all again?RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:07 pm1, your definition confirms it's a pejorative.
2, I definitely dont use the derogatory term and I find its use is exclusively aimed at white women.
3, if I got the wrong film and another film portrays white blonde women as unintelligent fair enough. However it's worth looking at the synopsis of legally blonde from wiki
"Elle Woods (Reese Witherspoon) has it all. She wants nothing more than to be Mrs. Warner Huntington III. But there is one thing stopping him (Matthew Davis) from proposing: She is too blond. Elle rallies all of her resources and gets into Harvard, determined to win him back.
Elle's boyfriend breaks up with her for a smarter girl as he plans to become a politician and joins Harward law school. "
"Too blond" ? Really!? Not "smart" enough? Lazy racist stereotypes should be outed for what they are. Blond lives matter.
Find one dictionary that defines “bimbo” as being exclusive to white women
Find one synopsis of Legally Blonde that refers to the race of her character
Can you not accept that choosing Legally Blonde was a poor example - there is no racist slur (humorous or not) in the film Legally Blond.
You don’t have to fight every time someone points out that you may be genuinely mistaken.
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Also have you actually seen the film?RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:07 pm1, your definition confirms it's a pejorative.
2, I definitely dont use the derogatory term and I find its use is exclusively aimed at white women.
3, if I got the wrong film and another film portrays white blonde women as unintelligent fair enough. However it's worth looking at the synopsis of legally blonde from wiki
"Elle Woods (Reese Witherspoon) has it all. She wants nothing more than to be Mrs. Warner Huntington III. But there is one thing stopping him (Matthew Davis) from proposing: She is too blond. Elle rallies all of her resources and gets into Harvard, determined to win him back.
Elle's boyfriend breaks up with her for a smarter girl as he plans to become a politician and joins Harward law school. "
"Too blond" ? Really!? Not "smart" enough? Lazy racist stereotypes should be outed for what they are. Blond lives matter.
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How F***ng depressing.
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Years ago.
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All these decisions should go to a public postal vote in each area it would be an absolute whitewash.
Is this the media driving all this?
Is this the media driving all this?
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You guys are doing a pretty good job.
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